Is there a guy to be had that could be that hybrid LB/S that can play in the nickel sets we like so much?

Cover tight ends and play the run etc.

Tycen Anderson, S, Toledo.

3rd/4th round.

MIA

Obviously to Bart Vagich he was.

The draft value chart says it wasn’t a bad trade.

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Chiefs really didn't have a choice...unless Mahomes is going to play on a rookie salary for the duration of his career...

All the expensive FA acquired because of his rookie deal have been released...this is how it's going to be going forward. You'll end up being top heavy otherwise...everyone wanted to keep Hill but it wasn't realistic at that price.

This is a crucial year for the Chiefs...so the haul for Tyreek came exactly at the right moment. I use Seattle as an example...they fell off a cliff once Wilson got paid. They just spent like 2 top picks on a safety...then were terrible at restocking their roster. This is how you have a good QB but never see another SB...

This IS a mini-rebuild...Mahomes' bill came due along with several other players at the same time. Veach has played this right..maybe some dumb luck factored in...that prevented him from making the mistake of resigning Hill. He was able to cut him loose without looking like the bad guy...it worked out even from a PR standpoint.

Chiefs have a real advantage going forward as every team in the AFCW are going to have to pay their QB soon...but dont have 2 drafts worth of capital to reload the very year it happens. PMII has a horseshoe up his ass...

No Sorensen. Who is going to make that clutch INT in big moments?

But yes, the secondary looks stronger. I'm assuming if they didn't lose Ward, they draft a WR instead of a CB. However, they'd have to pay Ward.

I mean, this. We got two immediate impact players for our defense and Chief Fan is disappointed. This fanbase is not meant to be understood.

I'm an offense guy first so I am kind of shocked how ok I am with all this.

Yeah, sucks having JuJu as your #1 but we just kept adding valuable cost controlled pieces to our team.

Of course today I am praying for a Pickens or Shakir.

I Trust In Veach, Let's See What McDuff Does In A Chiefs Uni

I was thinking back to back WR picks considering the state of our corps

Has anyone entertained the idea the JuJu and MVS might actually be good in this system...or that Coleman might pan out?

Just checking...

Man. We weren’t exactly an old defense. But look how young we are just after these moves

Karaliftis- 21
Nnadi- 25
Jones-27
Clark- 28


Carter-27
Bolton- 22
Gay- 24

McDuffie- 21
Fenton- 25
Sneed- 25
Thornhill- 26
Reid-25

I think they will want one more vertical WR to make their plan work.

Basically replace Tyreek with multiple burners and use them to pull coverage and open up space.

I do expect JuJu and Kelce to have career years if we don't add a notable vet.

Maybe its his play the past couple seasons but I figured Clark was pushing 40

Goddamn you are a special kind of ****. KC had a really solid first round and you and a few other special idiots act like they just passed up Dan Marino for Todd Blackledge. Please **** all the way off and when you’re done **** off some more.

A career year for Kelce is like a 1500 yard season. Which would be historic for a TE

Kelce’s best year is 1416 yards and 11TD (in 15 games)

Also Kelce once got a 1st year All Pro when Hill was nothing more than a gadget player. Kelce is a valid #1 receiver. He was our top pass catcher in 2019 and 2020

Just got even better.

you're always shitting on every Chiefs fan as if that guy isn't alone in his misery...:shake:

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No shit, how is that waste of space only 28 yet already completely done as any sort of decent player?

Do we take another DE, or perhaps get someone in FA? Position still looks pretty thin even with Karlaftis. Secondary is looking good, best group of young players we've had there in quite some time. Just shore up the DL and another LB and we have the makings of a decent group.

Coleman hasn't played in 3 seasons, all he has going for him is that he was selected #15 overall several years ago. Don't know what happened, my guess is camp fodder

I modeled Cynthia Frelund on my #1 Prick and it made a big move up.

Oh and McDuffie looks like a good selection too.

Thornton or Melton perhaps?

I don't know if either got sniped, I had to work a show last night so I missed the full player selections

Patriots took Thornton when we traded back in the 2nd.

Ah.

way too high, I think, but that speed is for real.

The last time Juju was healthy with a healthy QB who could actually throw the ball, he was pretty damned good.

and if I remember correctly, that was the first season post AB.

And the guy is still just 25.

MVS has had some drop issues, but in GB, he was also basically the vertical guy while Adams was the go-to, so the completion percentage is a little unfair as he was the lower efficiency option to start with.

I'm not saying he's necessarily anything more than a vertical threat, but I'm just saying the stats don't necessarily tell the whole story.

So I think the pair, yeah, should be effective.

And while Moore wasn't a guy I understood at first glance (I was wondering why so many people had him so highly rated) I'm starting to understand.

I'm generally an optimistic guy (I have no idea why, you'd think the world would've beaten that out of me) but I see no reason why this offense needs to take a big step back.

I’d like us to upgrade Fenton today, if possible

Im all for getting better anywhere across the board if possible, but Fenton is a good player. Unless theres some magical player on day three flying under the radar, that might be hard. We do need depth at DB, however.

Done. JW is his replacement.

Fentons never really impressed me anyway. Solid but average.

Update?

Chiefs keep adding to the secondary.


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the more DB picks we take the more worried I am lol

thread aged really well tbh

We have starters but not much depth. Now we have depth!

Its all good!

We HAD Fenton, Sneed, Baker, Bootle and Hughes.

Now, we have more. And better.

Michael Vick added to defensive coaching staff. Dogfight to the roster spot

Vagich concluded the secondary was shitty.


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Gabriel Davis is enough reason to revamp the secondary.

I really like what are secondary player group looks like now.

Defensive Backs

39 Zayne Anderson FS
30 Deandre Baker CB
-- Luq Barcoo CB
2 Dicaprio Bootle CB
-- Deon Bush SS
-- Bryan Cook S
-- Brandin Dandridge S
27 Rashad Fenton CB
-- Nazeeh Johnson S
-- Devon Key SS
21 Trent McDuffie CB
20 Justin Reid FS
38 L'Jarius Sneed CB
22 Juan Thornhill FS
-- Jaylen Watson CB
-- Joshua Williams CB

That'll leave a mark on Colin Powell for sure Pestilence!

Show me the light young Chris Meck.

I think this could be a case or take one step back to move two steps forward.

Losing a lethal hit out of nowhere in Tyreek Hill will have an impact. No way it doesn't. I think we're all clear on that.

But I think it will also lead towards relying on others on the Offense and having a more balanced attack and controlling the clock.

With all of the young secondary players on the team, it's important that we have a quality defensive secondary coaching group to work with them.

We lost assistant DB Coach Sam Madison to the Miami Dolphins, and I have not heard or read about the Chiefs hiring any new additions.

As a defensive back, Sam Madison was really good and knew how to play the position.

David Merritt came to the Chiefs the same year as Sam Madison came in 2019. David was the Secondary Coach with Sam Madison as his assistant. I do not know if it was Sam or David's coaching, but I think Sneed, Ward, and Fenton improved.

Merritt was a LB when he was a player. He was an assistant DB coach with the New York Giants from 2006 through 2016 and the DB coach was Peter Giunta for all but one of those years. David had one year as the DB Coach with the Arizona Cardinals in 2018.

Some of the notable CBs that David Merritt has coached would be Corey Webster, Aaron Ross, Prince Amukamara, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, and Eli Apple.

David helped coach Sam Madison in 2006 and 2007 while with the New York Giants.

Looking around the league most teams have a DB coach and an assistant DB coach.

Will the Chiefs hire an assistant DB coach for next year?

I wouldn't like this if I were Juan Thornhill

Definitely agree that our secondary coaching has been top notch. I know a lot of people have said that enables us to not invest in the secondary but my feeling is the opposite. Draft talent and build a truly elite group.

I love the focus on the secondary. I also think it accuratelly evaluates the current talent. Sneed is not yet a CB1, not even close, and as great as Fenton has been his athletic profile is always going to limit him.

I could see McDuffie having a slow start as that seems to be the way with CBs coming in at rhe moment. But I love the idea of him developing through the year and maybe Williams and Watson coming in later.

Absolutely. That's the thing.

I think it will improve Mahomes as a QB, as good as he already is, and that is nothing but a good thing. He zeroed in on Hill and Kelce way too much at times and left guys hanging that were pretty open. This should take him to that next level of reading what the defense is giving him and carving them up. I'm excited to see that development because it likely would have won last year's AFC title game. I will miss the explosive plays Hill provided and he was pretty reliable when you needed a play to be made.

It's a good thing we're investing in DBs because the AFC West is going to really test this secondary, more so than in recent years.

Broncos will have Russell Wilson throwing to Sutton and Jeudy
Raiders will have Carr throwing to Adams and Waller
Chargers will have Herbert throwing to Allen and Williams with an improved offensive line

I would have to think that influx of talent factored into how we drafted this year, but the fact we lost Mathieu, Ward, and Sorenson (his snaps have to go to someone) is a huge factor as well.

He's going to need to show up day one and hit the ground running. He can't have an setbacks or he'll end up losing his spot and he'll be out after this year.

I'm rooting for him. I still think he's a good safety.

7 new players were added to our secondary via the draft and free agency.

We're going to be one of the youngest and hopefully deepest DB groups.

Rashad Fenton (25 years old)
Juan Thornhill (26 years old)
Deandre Baker (24 years old)
L'Jarius Sneed (25 years old)

Justin Reid (25 years old) and Deon Bush (28 years old) are our free-agent signings.

Round 1 | No. 21 | Washington cornerback Trent McDuffie (21 years old)
Round 2 | No. 62 | Cincinnati safety Bryan Cook (22 years old)
Round 4 | No. 135 | Fayetteville State University cornerback Joshua Williams (22 years old)
Round 7 | No. 243 | Washington State cornerback Jaylen Watson
Round 7 | No. 259 | Marshall safety Nazeeh Johnson

Im looking forward to watching these guys.

Reid/Thornhill/Bush at Safety, with Cook coming in as dime LB (or he just outright takes the 3rd safety job) is going to be pretty nice.

McDuffie comes in as a day 1 starter with Sneed and Fenton. The rest of them? Let the chips fall where they may but there is some serious potential there.

Cook’s excellent tackling and attitude wil make a big difference. It was not fun watching Sorenson miss tackle after tackle.

To me it’s just his coverage ability on TE’s. If he can be even marginal at it we are set up

The Chiefs had a new coach just for Safeties starting with 2021.

https://www.chiefs.com/team/coaches-...onald-d-alesio

There’s way more true versatility there.

Bryan Cook played box safety, deep safety and corner when he was at Howard. Trent McDuffie can play inside and outside and I think he can play safety. The Times Ours pod compared him to Kendall Fuller and that would be ****ing awesome. I bet he could play some safety if needed.

Just seems like Spags has a lot of options to mix and match coverages and confuse offenses.

Our roster of coverage players underwent some pretty drastic changes this offseason. Just looking at who we lost, there are a ton of snaps from last year.

Mathieu - 998 snaps (led the team in defensive snaps)
Ward - 753 snaps
Sorensen - 698 snaps
Niemann - 557 snaps
Hughes - 508 snaps

I look at that list and look at who we signed and I feel fairly confident that our secondary will be better next year, especially during the second half as new players get more comfortable in the scheme. The talent, youth, and athleticism traits are there.

Mathieu -> Reid
Ward -> McDuffie
Sorensen -> Cook
Hughes -> Fenton, Williams, Johnson Jr.

I just thank the gods I won't have to watch ****ing Sorensen and Niemann look like complete morons anymore.

Does Jermaine Carter Jr. take Niemann's snaps? Or someone else?

Don't forget Mike Hughes tripping over himself to give up the lead in what was, up to that point, the most important defensive series of the season.

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All you have to do is watch both Bills games to see how absolutely catastrophic this secondary was as well as Neimann.

Now they’ve got some guys who can cover, provide size against taller receivers and tackle.

God it’s gonna be nice seeing young guys fly to the ball and tackle instead of whiffing and making business decisions with their hands in the air.

It’s gonna take a on time for them to get going but it’s worth it

Presumably.

8 now, counting Lonnie Johnson

What are you picking to say these players are better???

Mathieu was graded higher at coverage but lover that Reid in run defense, plus Reid is younger and faster.
How is Sorenson better than Cook.. this alone makes me question your decision making. Sorenson was the worst safety in the NFL until a few lucky interceptions improved his ranking.

The season will show if our secondary is better or not. To me, the only real loss here is Ward, other than that I feel we have improved. If McDuffie is at the Sneed level or better we are much better.... I did notice you left Snead off of your list... coincidence?

Those aren't greater than signs, just makeshift arrows. Sneed isn't on the list because he's still on the team.

Unless they can cover for 4 or 5 seconds it may not matter if the pass rush doesn't come around.

I think I blacked out after that play yelling at Mike Hughes

Chiefs Defense 2021 (according to Pro Football Reference):

Hurries - 4th
Hurry % - 3rd
Knockdowns - 8th
Knockdown % - 8th
Pressures - 6th
Pressure % - 5th
Sacks - 29th

I think Veach believes the pass rush only needs a bit of a boost and the problem was that the secondary wasn’t holding up quite as long as it needed to.

No matter how many times i watch it i still cant figure out how he got put on his ass so badly.

It wasn't even that great of a double move. Hell, that HS kid i played ball with last weekend had a better double move.

That looks like a guy who was EXTREMELY nervous

It's kinda funny maybe ironic but we've upgraded this backfield with mostly rooks and younger talent and of course they need experience. You would think that teams are going be thinking that we are playing a bunch of rookies but even without the experience I can see game one our defense is going to show up. This defense can cover mistakes by speed and chase guys down so that big play not going happen as much and if it does in one game it won't happen again same game. This is the most stoked both sides of the ball I've ever been.

If only we can beef up the lintier with Jones to penetrate and win in the trenches that would go a long ways and help our DBs. We got guys that can and will lay the wood in our secondary hell our Linebackers too. This is going be the most physical defense compliment the physical offensive line just tenacity on both sides of the ball. I think we got guys that can hit like Deron Cherry.

On paper this looks to be the most balanced Chiefs team I have ever seen. There is really no gnawing weakness anywhere in the roster. IDL can be improved but it's not necessarily bad.
Many people are underselling the Chiefs but I don't see anyone in the AFC that is marginally better. This defense looks legit. They are younger, deeper and hungrier.

Sign Akiem Hicks, Melvin Ingram, and a vet WR (maybe a Jarvis Landry), and let’s roll.

Love this roster and it’s potential to compete now and for years to come.

I hope this is true - guy's I want us to win in Cincy more than anything! I want this Bengals team to realize this is not LAST year - the new Chiefs D is coming! I want this game more so than ever. Who Dey? Dey the the CHIEFS! :thumb:

;) I agree!

Need a better pass rush.


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For now.:shrug:

After touting how good and deep our DL was just a year a go and then watching them get their manure pushed in for most of the season it is just "wait and see" for me. We have to be patient with the new young guys who will make mistakes.

The only thing for sure I know about this defense is that Bolten, Gay and Jones are true ballers. And I hope our DL is talented enough to keep our LBs clean.

Hopefully someone in the 2ndary will step up and be that vocal leader that HB was.

I tend to agree with you.

Defensively we need a few things to go right on the line, and we could use another signing and/or Ingram's return there. Otherwise, the defense should be greatly improved.

Offensively we need our new look WR corp to work out, but on paper it should be more talented overall. I like that we still invested in the RT spot even though our linew as good last year. I'm excited to see what adjustments we'll make to the offensive game plans.

I might like this team to go back to the Super Bowl this year, with a little luck as you always need to get there. Having more balance on both sides of the ball gives you the flexibility you need to win playoff games a lot of different ways.

I'd feel so much better for our DBs if we had another DT that could penetrate or collapse the pocket just enough to disrupt the play and give the DBs a chance to make a play on the ball if the Quarterback is under pressure.

As much as I hate to, I think this is where you have to consider the possibility of shenanigans. I’ve seen this a number of times. CB goes down for no apparent reason. At some point you have to wonder if the reason you “still can’t figure out how he got put on his ass so badly” is because he wasn’t.

The narrative that the pass rush was/is bad really needs to stop. A bad pass rushing team doesn’t finish 3rd in hurry % or 5th in pressure %. Sacks are very unpredictable and fluctuate greatly year to year.

Re-sign Ingram and they’re good to go.