It was a very smart play.

If we had been playing Rodgers, he probably goes gumby there.

Calm down and go record a tiktok dance, Jackson.

Wow epic joke. I mean it doesn't make any ****ing sense, but at least you thought it was funny

Makes perfect sense.

You're in here trying to act like we all of sudden wouldn't take Mahomes over every QB in the league. That doesn't mean we cant sit here and call a spade a spade.

The idea that people would dare say Patrick Mahomes is playing like shit has your vagina bleeding all of the forum. It's like your self worth hinges on the success of Patrick like a family member riding his coattails.

Okay but again that's not "terrible" by any objective standard, which takes us back to the absurd language people are using. "Underwhelming" is different than "terrible." He has had 4 great games (2-2 thanks to horrible turnover luck), 2 average/underwhelming games (1-1 including an excellent half in Washington and a loss that Daniel Sorenson alone should take more blame than Mahomes for), and 2 bad games (one of which he won because he's not "broken" and therefore didn't panic when it counted). That's it. There's nothing deeper to it than that. My argument is that he deserves a much longer leash than some people are giving him considering what he's capable of. I don't see how that's controversial to anyone who isn't weirdly insistent on shitting all over the best player in franchise history.

You have a point and he still the best QB in the league and I am glad he is ours. While the numbers disagree for whatever reason this year he seems off from an eye test perspective. I personally think he is seeing ghosts and hearing footsteps that aren't there and it's a product of how Brown/Niang played. Just my perspective.

STILL HORNEY 2022!!

He has more INTs than Trevor Lawrence, that's not great.

Okay that was a long walk to it making any sort of sense, it's still a really shitty joke, sorry

Epic "bleeding vagina" joke too, how'd you come up with that one??????

You're not "calling a spade a spade" when you're freaking out and saying Mahomes is shit after two bad games. You're just being a bitch who can't handle a little adversity. Why are you so insistent on pinning so much on Mahomes when he is objectively not a top 5 problem for this team right now?

i'm hornay

The bleeding vagina joke is as evident as Mahomes' piss poor play.

I've never called Mahomes shit. I said he has been playing like shit recently. Learn to comprehend what you ****ing read. He is a pretty big problem for why this offense is playing so poorly. You dont get a pass when you have 3/4 weeks in a row below average and the last 2 weeks just absolute trash.

And yet he actually has fewer turnover worthy plays. That points to bad luck as much as anything else. How much of this is "something wrong" and how much of it is outcome bias? I'd say it's 15/85 at most. We wouldn't be analyzing his mental state or moping about whether he's capable of turning it around if a few of those tipped passes and fumbles bounced our way.

He's basically playing like peak Tampa Jameis Winston right now.

You won't find a bigger fan of him than myself. But you know what they say about the NFL - Not For Long. People are not patient very long, especially these days.

A lesson on reading comprehension from someone who apparently couldn't read the OP where I listed the things that you can blame on him. That's ****ing rich.

I'm not giving him a pass, I'm saying that calling him "a pretty big problem" is ****ing objectively wrong when you take the entire team into account. I'm saying that using phrases like "absolute trash" in this context is ****ing pathetic. You can say he's had two bad games. In fact, Mr. Reading Comprehension, I've said that very thing myself! But what's the point in even using the phrase "absolute trash" when referring to Patrick ****ing Mahomes unless your goal is to be a miserable prick who doesn't know how good he's had it? Maybe shut your ****ing mouth and let someone who's the best in the world at what he does have a chance to turn it around!

Yeah this he doesn't know how to play in the pocket shit is reeruned. I've been telling people to watch previous years. He navigates the pocket as well as anyone, but right now he just doesn't seem to trust the oline. That's because last year his interior oline almost got him killed regularly.

I guess what my argument boils down to is that Patrick Mahomes of all people deserves a little more ****ing patience. That's all.

I get where you are coming from, but then again...pretty shocking development this past weekend in Fort Worth where TCU immediately fired their best coach ever even though he has a statue outside their stadium. Would think he deserved better treatment. Just a sign of the times.

Then you are objectively and idiot.

He had a 7 and 19 QBR the last 2 weeks. He's turning the ball over more than he has ever done in his career. He's bouncing passes in the turf routinely. His deep ball tonight was out of bounds and/or under thrown. When 1 of the 2 players that touches the ball on every single offensive play puts up league wide terrible numbers, its a problem.

I think it's worth noting the worst play Patrick made all night he hit a receiver in the end zone in the facemask.

Pump the brakes.

Again, I'm not ****ing denying that he's had two bad games. My point is that it's ****ing annoying ass bullshit to fixate on those two bad games so much when 1) there's a ton of other shit that's been going wrong with this team and 2) we have a much larger sample size of games that strongly suggests Patrick Mahomes will turn it around sooner rather than later. Why is it so hard for you to understand that my point is not that he's entirely beyond reproach, but that bitching about him the way you and others are doing is annoying and useless and just makes the board an even more miserable place than it already is, Mr. Reading Comprehension?

Mahomes is extremely motivated

He has never lacked motivation

He just hasn’t been playing well lately. When Brady got shutdown in SB42, it wasn’t because he didn’t have motivation. He was probably more motivated than he ever was in his life. But he didn’t play well

You left out, "and people are generally stupid".

Were 70% of Winston's INTs from tipped balls/dropped passes?

so we are counting fake made up PFF stats?

Thank you, Carc!

I'm not making excuses, I Know what he's capable of. Bad bounces and dipshits getting hit in the head/hands with passes are messing with his groove.

HE WILL BE FINE. WE WILL BE FINE

He may not be broken, but he’s far from the guy he was even a year ago. Not sure what ails him but turning the ball over every game isn’t what $500M QBs do.

Next Gen stat of the game: Patrick Mahomes completed just 1 of 11 passes outside the tackle box, posting a 9.1 completion percentage on such attempts, the lowest in a game in his career.

NFL Research: Patrick Mahomes has thrown an interception in seven straight games. It is the longest streak in his high school, college or NFL career.

The way he threw that pass at the end rolling left into mecoles feet, I don't know that he's fully recovered with toe surgery but he's powering through it. As the game goes on he's been thtowing balls low. Reminds me of the Houston and indy Houston game when he played on a bad ankle. Started out strong but started really missing passes as the game went on.

and at least 4 of those were the fault of his receivers tipping the balls etc..

I'd say he's more like Ricky Vaughn right now.

Just give 'em the heater Ricky

It's like he's trying to aim it instead of just throwing it.

I just think that Mahomes flipped your collective expectations of the QB upside down, thanks to that 5k/50TD entry into the NFL and the subsequent success in the last two years.

Mahomes (and the Chiefs) have rarely struggled, but when they have - Mahomes has always looked phenomenal. Therefore, there is this superman image with some and expectations are that he will never play poorly and he will play like this until he's 40.

At the end of the day, he's still on pace for another 4,800-5,000 yards passing with another 38-40 TDs. Stellar stuff, but they're not winning consistently or in a dominant fashion.

Don't forget there's really only 1 QB that has played his entire career and rarely disappointing ... Brady. Like it or not, the guy has been a model of consistency as his teams have only achieved fewer than 10 wins 1 time in 20 years... (19.5 really).

That's insane and it's not likely to happen too often in our lifetime. Enjoy the greatness of Mahomes. I know it's been a couple of years since you've seen your team struggle, but c'mon.

Mahomes problem is early is the season he threw a few interceptions..some his fault..some through Tyreeks hands. .

and now he is playing scared . .great QBs dont play scared

he ran today and slid 5 yrds before the first down marker and there was noone around him...because he was scared he would fumble like last week. .this isnt the same Mahomes who cut in side and scored on the Titans

if he doesnt get his confidence back and if the coaches dont let him be him its going to be a sad case of wasted talent. .

one of his best attributes the past 3 years has been his poise and confidence. .

hes regressing

16 throws behind the line of scrimmage last nite… The most by any QB in years… This has to be frustrating for him..

Mahomes is playing with a lack of confidence right now. It seems hard to believe based on his track record, but you can see his confidence is shaken. The low throws at guys feet, the intentional grounding last night and leaving clean pockets are signs he's just not as confident as usual. I'm sure he'll get his groove back, it's just going to be harder to do when the rest of the team continues to struggle all around him.

This isn't just Mahomes. Reid's offense looks out of step with what many NFL defenses are doing now.

We finally got adjusted too and we need to counter-punch.

It's all hitting at once.

Mahomes has carried this team for a while now, and just when he needs a LITTLE help the team shits all over his face.

It's frustrating.

Yup.

Both our offensive and defensive schemes went out of style AT THE SAME TIME.

Throw in the top heavy roster approach, lack of depth and then when you have a few injuries or guys half-assing it....you see the results.

Hell, I'm talking about the basics.

Catching the ball. That's it. Catch the ****ing football.

That's the crazy thing and it shows why guys like Stafford and Matt Ryan and Dak can put up huge numbers despite not so great play. Anyone who's ever watched a Russell Wilson game knows its a lot of Alex Smith with a few sensational lightning bolts.

Not bad if this is his floor. But we all know something ain't right. And most of us, I would hope, know it's plenty fixable. Just a matter of when.

We don't look dialed in most games. We look like a collection of players, not a team.

This results in sloppiness, bonehead mistakes, etc.

Seeing the same thing.

It’s different now, when he’s sitting in the pocket, where he’s flinching around, as opposed to bailing out and reading half the field, with extra seconds for a decision.

Sitting in the pocket, facing 2 high/ no blitz…trying to read coverages is giving him some trouble.

None of this is remotely true. He has been one of the best QBs in the pocket for three years.

That guy is a dumb ass. But he's a little bit right. I have seen several throws this year where I say he's just a little off this year. Throws like the deep pass to Reek last night. If he threw that just a bit further and more to the middle, it's a TD. We're used to seeing Patrick make those throws so this is a little surprising. I think it's the mistrust on his offensive line that has contributed mostly to these struggles.

One issue is I don't think he trusts Orlando Brown to protect his blindside.

This stuff about him not been able to play in the pocket is crap. Many of his highlight throws come from outside the pocket, but in the pocket he has been one of the most efficient passers in league history.

Seems like coaches aren't helping Mahomes much with play calling. Plays are taking too long to develop.

I just figure Patrick has a LOT of shit going on. So, now, he has the "yips". He needs to talk to Tin Cup, or **** Rene Russo. That should do it.

Tyreek has dropped his share of balls... a few tipped for INT's.

Honestly, if the other guys stop ****ing up the flow of the drives with mental mistakes he will come back to full Mahomes.

Just when you think the offense is rolling "doink" off of hands or facemasks. Even Kelce has been horribly guilty of it.

I think people using this to make that argument are being dishonest. How many of those Ints were on the receivers not catching the ball?

He is playing like shit because he's playing like shit. He's making dumb decisions. Throwing into bad coverages, trying dumbass no look passes, and he's been figured out. There's league has adjusted to him. Now he needs to adjust.

Quite a few, sure, but it's not like that's been happening on throws where he drills the guy in the chest.

I too long been concern luck would be depleted. Many years Patrick was almost intercepted a throw. So much luck all the time.

I fear he never learn how to throw in a pocket. Always run behind himself. Tired of the silly throws. Jump throw side throw

In the words of Andy Reid, "I'm seeing things I haven't seen before."

Pat's going to get himself corrected. He's too good not to.

I noticed Pat's dropbacks seemed shorter and more controlled. The Giants sent Ojulari on a wide rush that completely missed because Mahomes dropped back 7 or 8 yards instead of 11. Little corrections like that can have a big impact.

Well, he's not right now.

He's leaving clean pockets and bailing after his first read isn't there.

And it's derailing the offense.

Yes. He's throwing behind receivers. Some of the catches yesterday were much tougher than necessary.

He's attempted 1 no look pass this year and it hit the WR in the ****ing shoulderpad that should have been a TD.

FYP

Patrick Mahomes isn't "broken" you ****ing dorks
 

I agree but the post I was responding to was acting like he has never been a good pocket QB and that he needs to learn as if he hasn’t been great at it.

Mahomes is not playing good football. Maybe he's injured, I'm not sure. Additions like Ingram are nice but the only way for the chiefs to turn into a legit threat in the AFC is if Mahomes can break out of his funk.

He did miss an absolutely wide open receiver to hit a tightly covered receiver in the face mask. I’m not totally sure who he was trying to pass to on that play.

https://youtu.be/kiJ8ffCjAlc

Bad throw to Gordon. The defender was in his passing lane jumping up w/ his arm extended...he would have tipped/batted a flat trajectory pass to the open receiver. PM2 tried to "jump pass" over the defender and threw a bad pass. Inaccurate, and too much velocity. A bit of touch and better accuracy = TD to a wide open #19

Got to love the homers.

It's everyone's fault but Mahomes. Mahomes can do no wrong! How dare you criticize him! he needs more weapons! Who cares that he has a HOF WR and HOF TE!

Chiefs should run less option route plays and more plays were WRs stick with one route.

Chiefs should run more plays with Mahomes under center and run the ball and do play action off the run.

Mahomes could have hit Tyreek for that big TD is he was able to step forward and throw it as far as he could. When he hit that 70-plus air yards pass against Atlanta in that 2018 preseason game he had to take forward steps to throw it that far.

That play last night he needed to throw it sooner if he was not able to take forward steps.

I have a lot of confidence in Mahomes, but he has not been as sharp. He may regain his full edge if Chiefs are less space age and more basic on offense. Give the OL a chance to hit the other team more on runs from under center.

He can play better for sure, he isn't the main issue though and if we get better on defense, the need to score every drive has to have a positive effect on his decision making, which has been an issue for him at times.

The O-line improving (especially Brown) their play will also help.

That said, I would like to see him hit the check down to Williams early when he sees them backpedaling immediately. It helps his O-line and frustrates the D-line.

I just think he's got a lot on his plate in personal life.

• Recently married
• New born baby (lack of sleep always)
• Commercials
• Stress of celebrity status

All that on top life's usual aches and pains. He's stretching himself thin and it's showing.

More whispers about his Toe.

Anyone else notice Mahomes looking like he hurt his foot on the sideline last night? He was jumping around all weird and shit (like it hurt and he was playing it off) and then limping afterwards. I saw it and they're talking about it on the radio right now.

I know exactly when you mean. I thought he was hobbled as well, and the bouncing was very confusing to me.

I think that's all legit. Mahomes must feel a ton of pressure (I know I would if I was in his shoes). He has set the bar so ridiculously high that even slightly above average QB play looks bad compared to what we're accustomed to seeing from him.

Its hard to tell with his natural old man shuffle thing he does, but last night it appeared more pronounced after that run up the sideline.

Yup. And would explain why his throws started diving low towards the end of the game.

Just stop it. Mahomes does not have a stressful life. Lol.

Dude is set for life w a contract most NFL players can only dream of and he plays a game for a living.

What a tough life.

I think it's reasonable to question whether he has some issues from recent concussions and head shots. I saw an article yesterday speculating whether his career may be in jeopardy--which is nonsense, I think.

But I think it is reasonable to ask whether he needs or needed a couple of weeks off after the Titans game.

I bet it's his toe. His mechanics are off, that leads me to think he's compensating due to something physical.

Just curious, ever raise a child? "It takes a village" is term for a reason.

And I'm just guessing here on the reasons why but he's not the Patrick we're used to at the moment. There's a funk with the entire team right now.

Unless there's an article out there about how he's up at 2am on game days with a screaming child, we really have no information on how they're handling it. I know you said you're just guessing, as we all are, but in that particular case I think it's a big assumption given his fiancé is probably well aware of the weekly demands and need for sleep during the season.

Same with commercials and other personal life things... I'd doubt he's shooting commercials in the middle of the season, and if it does happen, I would assume he's spending the same amount of free time he's always had and not sacrificing practices and film study, etc.

Those are things people always want to point to along with "he's got paid!!", but he wasn't Bills/Titans/NYG bad the first month of the season either... it was mostly just a few bad interceptions leading up to playing the Bills. All of those other things didn't just manifest themselves in October.

This thread should be pinned so that the Mahomes doubters can rightfully be ridiculed mercilessly for the next 2 decades.

The "he plays a game" is such overused envious BS. It's this kind of nonsense thats leading to mental breakdowns left and right.

It's a tough life. He works real hard at it. He's already had two major surgeries and probably pays through pain most weeks. And for as much fame as he gets, he also has to deal with a ton of obligations that come with being a superstar. For a guy like him, it can absolutely be stressful and draining. On top of that caring for his kid and it sure looks like he's very involved. You don't have to feel sorry for him but you can have the understanding that nfl life is plenty stressful.

I don't think anyone points these things out to suggest mahomes is forever distracted. Just that for this particular offseason he has a loootttt of things going on

I don't see how criticizing his current performance equates to anything that is worthy of ridicule. I'm not calling to cut the guy, but it's pretty clear he's playing like a below-average NFL QB right now.