One only needs to watch them a couple of times this season, without Stafford, to realize he carried them to 4-5 wins every year, all by himself.

Thousands of Von Miller Jerseys about to hit EBay at $5 a pop.

The Rams' roster will be full of UDFAs by 2024 at this rate. They've been the most aggressive front office now for a few years.

I really wish the Mane was around so we could taste those tears.

Yep, this has been their recent history. In fact, I remember a very similar discussion to this in a thread a few years ago.

He made a comment about it probably not being his last time playing at Soldier Field after the Bears game.

There are other things, but Packers fans are feeling pretty good about that relationship being repaired.

Winning cures everything.

Let us rip off a win streak here and we'll all go back to loving Mathieu as well.

No. Not even close.

Von Miller wreaked every team in route to a Super Bowl win and Super Bowl MVP, all while snuffing out the GOAT of a QB. When AD does that...you might have a point.

Well, Miller hasn't played on a team with an interior rush like the Rams have since he destroyed Newton on the way to SB MVP.

The Rams might get that, or they might get him injured or dinged up--he seems to be more fragile when he was back then. But healthy, in a playoff game, with Donald in the middle, I can't think Brady like the idea of facing that again.

Have a look. https://www.broncosboard.com/node/13254

I am personally amazed at the return Denver got on this trade.

Prime vs Prime, I'd rather have Watt. Both are brokedicks now, but Watt was a force on the run and pass that Von wasn't.

Interesting debate here.

Miller's got a headstart on Donald, having been drafted three years earlier, but Donald has undoubtedly been more dominant since entering the league.

I'm not sure who else would even have an argument. Maybe Richard Sherman and/or JJ Watt?

Actually, if we're going to give Miller a huge bump for his legendary postseason run, we have to do the same for Watt's 2012 season. Man had 20.5 sacks, 39 TFLs, and 16 PDs. The career highs in PDs and TFLs for either Donald or Miller are 4 and 25 respectively lol just an absurd year for Watt.

There are certainly arguments on both sides. But I don't believe any defensive player was ever as single-handedly responsible for a SB win as Von was in SB 50.

He ruined Cam Newton and the Carolina Panthers, for Christ sake.

Larry Brown...

But CP said Marcus Peters has sucked for an eternity?

Unfortunately that's quite a haul for the cheating ****ing donko bitch****s.

Nah, they cleaned off more draft picks for salary cap money which they're obviously not using to win this year.

Smart. May they blow those picks on Jonathan Baldwin and Breeland Speaks type ****ers.

Affirmative. May his reign be long ROFL

LMAO

This is an underrated post. Well done RM.

Didn't people say that years ago when they were trading for Ramsey/Cooks/Peters/Watkins?

It was a 19 game run that season. It wasn't just the post season. Watt is great, there is just no Super Bowl win at the end of that rainbow.

ruined their franchise. I hear tell they are talking about moving that team to London. :)

You talking about the guy the Rams threw out with the garbage for a 5th and roster filler?

Rams are “ALL IN” on the 2021 season.


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So the Rams got him free this season basically.


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Remember back in 2016 when I suggested the Doinks should move Miller and post-Manning rebuild in earnest?

Well they haven't had a winning season since...now $100+ million later and still in the same situation.

They've thrown in towel... even at 4-4, they know their season is wasted.

Except for the 2nd and 3rd round picks, you mean? If you are Denver, are you more interested in (1) saving cap space this year, or (2) getting draft capital?

I expect Teddy to be traded back to NOLA.

He's having a career year. No way DEN trades him.

His numbers are slightly up from last season, with the biggest difference being TDs.

His Yards Per Attempt and Completion % are comparable to last year. He'll end up throwing around the same number of INTs.

Teddy's nothing but a placeholder and JAG. Might as well tank with Lock to get a higher pick.

That would be a very clear sign of Denver actively tanking. Already with Miller, I don't know if people realize that Denver has already lost ALL of its starting linebackers, and then they trade away their best linebacker. Not exactly a sign of team trying to compete. But they got enough draft capital for it to make sense.

But as for Bridgewater, he did just play a pretty decent game, which Denver won, albeit that it was not an inspiring win. The difference, I think, is what would you get for Bridgewater at this point? A 5th? It might be a bit too obvious to trade your starting QB, after a win, where he played decently, for late-round pick.

How do you stop Von Miller? Evidently you just need to hire Vic Fangio.

I’m more inclined to think Shurmur’s dogshit play calling and piss poor preparation have more to do with the offense struggling than steady teddy two gloves. Shurmur is out coached week after week.

It's a strange move considering they are still in play for a WC position...If they were 2-6, it would make more sense.

At least they finally being honest about their future....must not have much faith in this 2021 roster.

That raises an interesting issue: Fangio cannot be happy about this trade. Paton just put the final nail in the coffin to cripple Fangio's defense, which already has been decimated with linebacker injuries. It seems like Fangio's departure is all but certain.

If Paton trades Bridgewater, that would make it even more clear. Fangio has been oddly stubborn in sticking with Bridgewater this season, when Bridgewater had a concussion, then injured his leg, and Fangio put him on field clearly hobbled and out of sorts. Presumably Fangio is sticking with a veteran to try to save his job.

Not that any reasonable people think Lock would be some kind of miracle at this point, but all available comparisons have suggested that Bridgewater and Lock are basically 50/50.

To be sure. I have seen Denver fans lamenting not trading for Stafford--and he may have been a bit better. But it seems to me that the biggest difference is that the Rams have an offensive genius coaching and Denver has--whatever the opposite of genius is. I think most people would take Denver's receiving talent over the Rams'--and I think a decent coach could get quite a bit more out of it, with Bridgewater, Stafford, or another functional QB.

I don't know who calls the plays, but that last series of plays against the Generics were the worst football IQ plays I've ever seen. There were 37 seconds left and they ran up the middle and fumbled, passed incomplete, then ran wide and fumbled. Obviously the fumbles weren't part of the play call, but dang - run backwards for a few yards and then fall down if you don't think kneeling will burn off enough time. I despise the broncos and even I was yelling at the screen. You don't want innocent children seeing playcalling like that.

I hate to admit it but the broncos made a great deal.

Vic is out. That decision has clearly been made.

I think he means over the span of the decade...he's probably right.

Rams are gonna be sick as **** on defense with this addition. Even if it's short term, they are doing all they can to get back to and win the SB. Will it cost them down the road? Sure...but if they win the SB it's worth it. Go big or go home...

I don't think that running plays vs. kneeling was completely crazy--the ball was pretty close to the goal line and you don't want to punt from the endzone.

And it seems to me you ought to be able to rely on two of your most solid veterans to (1) slide on the bootleg play, as Bridgwater damn well knew he should do, and (2) protect the ball on any rush, as Gordon damn well knows.

On the other hand, as a coach, after watching two absolute disasters on 1st and 2nd down, maybe it ought to occur to you to cut your losses and kneel on 3rd down. For whatever reason, the offensive players had lost their minds, and it was completely clear on the first two plays. It is a poor reflection on the coaches that it happened to begin with, but poorer still for them not to recognize and stop it.

Not surprised he's gone, but it's always kind of amazing how cheap teams can grab potentially game-changing (albeit declining) talent. Chances are the Rams will be picking late in the draft, so this is for a LATE 2nd and LATE 3rd. That's...not much.

If Miller stays health--and that's a reasonably important if these days--I can see him putting up a playoff run like 2015. Since 2015 he's hardly played a game with pass rush threats around him sufficient to make anyone play him straight up (he played some with Chubb, but one or the other of them always seems to be hurt). That changes the minute he lines up with Donald.

Well, it was a good deal for them... a R2/R3 next year or keep him and get nothing next year. Either way they were spending that $9M - so, let him go and move on.

I think it's a sign that, if nothing else, Paton has brought an honest, pragmatic point of view to the management of this team. He's not going to make decisions on a pipe-dream of getting the wild-card (and, I guess, getting Denver's poop pushed in if they get it) based on the team managing to (barely) beat a terrible team.

I'm trying to think of the Chiefs have ever unloaded a player like this. I can't think of any.

If it helps them keep Tampa out of the super bowl, I'm all for it

The Rams were the one team in the NFC that really seemed to match up well with the Bucs. If they weren’t the favorites before, getting someone else to put pressure on Brady likely makes them the favorite now.

Meh, statistically speaking and when healthy, Watt has been the superior player. I won't judge him for not bringing home a Lombardi with just decent Texans squads. If he'd have been placed on one of the 5 best defenses this millennia like Miller was, I think he'd have had a better chance at postseason success as well.

Watt's got 3 DPOYs, by the way. Miller's never won one.

Cmon Veach...let's find a sucker for a similar deal for Jones, Hitchens and Clark

It's not a direct parallel, but Jared Allen comes to mind.

Tony Gonzalez. We traded him for a second round pick that we used to draft JAV-ier...Ar-EEEEENUUUUSSS!!!!

I’d rather find someone who can light a fire under their asses for the next 14 games.

Ah, that's a good one.

The difference between this and letting Neil Smith walk is that Denver got 2nd and 3d round picks.

PFF says Miller is still a stud. Good move for the Rams.

At the end of the day, it's going to be a matter of 1) postseason success this year and 2) whether they can sign him. If they can get to the Super Bowl, no one's going to care what they gave up for him. And if they can re-sign him to a new deal, it'll be a steal to get a player like that.

But if he walks in free agency after a playoff disappointment, that would be pretty brutal.

Von is basically done at this point. You guys realize that right?

If he were on the Chiefs, he'd be our sack leader this year. He may not be as dominant as he once was, but he's not "basically done."

I dont know...that seems like a pretty good haul to me. He's not exactly young...

They can use that for ammunition to move up and grab a QB.

The Rams are going to be absolute shit in a few years...It's 2021 SB or bust mode.

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It actually is, as much as it pains me to say it. If he stayed in Denver through the season they pay him anyway, and I believe they'd only get a 3rd as a comp pick when he signs somewhere as a free agent. But as it stands now, not only do they get the 3rd they would've gotten (actually a few picks higher) they get a 2nd as well. For a guy who - although he was playing well this season - is in the twilight of his career and who they had no plans to re-sign anyway.

A lot of ammunition if they want to move up.

(Checks to see if John Elway is still drafting.)

That's fine.

It's definitely better than keeping him and hoping they get a comp pick. Picks in R2 and R3, doesn't matter where in those rounds are solid.

But, he's not... by all accounts Paton is driving the draft car now.

You realize who you're responding to right?

The Rams not making the Super Bowl would be an epic chokejob. I mean goddamn that roster is loaded

Or trade for a QB.

Stafford is capable of laying a massive shit on the field any given Sunday, Monday, or Thursday. If they get bounced that'll be why.

I think that Trevor Simean kid looked good in NO... maybe they can... oh wait, never mind.

As long as it's not the Tompon Bucs...

One teams trash is another teams treasure. Vons been a JAG since 2015 playoffs

Like a rental trade in baseball.

Win the World Series and the return is meaningless.

5th would have been the best they could have gotten.

I hate to see Von go. But it’s a relief to me that we did it, for the reason you just mentioned. I hope a few others follow tomorrow. Maybe we only win six games, instead of seven or eight. :rolleyes:

I think calling Shurmur’s offense and game planning could fairly be called pedestrian at this point.

Just seems defenses have been able to really key in on what he’s trying to run. Denver has one TD on an opening drive in the last 26 games or so. That’s just disappointing no matter who you are as an OC. They don’t seem to play with a sense of urgency or creativity in their play calling.

Defense has a number of objectively quality pieces and the investment in personnel has been made by the front office but injuries have played their part to make that side of the ball a more significant challenge than it might have been.

Fangio has to see the writing on the wall. Either he’s getting neutered and firing someone this off-season as a sign he’s turning the ship. Shurmur makes a fitting sacrifice but I suspect he’ll be canned and the search will be on for the offensive minded HC to take over and be part of the conversation on where the organization goes for the next qb.

But that’s just my take. Certainly, reasonable people can disagree.

Just reset the entire staff... Fangio is a good dude, but he's not a HC. Shurmur is just terrible, the game passed him by a decade and a half ago.

I'll take Fangio as our new DC, please fire him. :D

Not much? Seems like quite a bit for what may be a half-season rental. He'll be 33 before the start of next league year so will the Rams want to re-sign him beyond offering a 1-year deal?

Late-in-the-round picks or not, they are still top 100 picks, and they give you some solid players. At some point, they need to stop trading all of their resources and start drafting players or they'll have a massive decline in the near future.

Fangio may be in that Monty Kiffin/Wade Phillips mold. Good DCs that can’t make the jump to an effective HC.

Is there a tie between Reid and Fangio?