Had to look it up...actually I loved the Sneed pick.

Third down pass rusher, fellas. We need someone like this. Gotta stay healthy.

Yeah, only way to look at it is how you see it in your very own eyes and trust your scouting department.

For the Chiefs, I definitely trust them right now. They have been very good at finding quality players as of late.

How good is he at jumping on boxes?

Definitely a more exciting pick than Gray IMO

Supposedly has just about every tool a D line coach could ask for, but will need to be polished up quite a bit before having any real impact... all in all, sounds like a great project

Prolly not, but one thing I noticed was his vert. 36.5 Who at 6.6 260 lbs jumps +3'?

Like everyone is saying, he has the abilities but with the injuries and lack of coaching has not produced.

As the saying goes, you can't teach speed.

Gray was a fantastic pick. Watch his routes.

That's kind of how I look at it. It's kind of up to him if he makes it or is selling used cars on a pot lot in a couple years.

Reminds me of a young Justin Houston, except taller.

On one of those highlights, Kaindow thoroughly beats Noah Gray trying to block him.

Classic Spags end.

But I don't know if he's that athletic - didn't see a lot of burst.

He has more burst than KPass ever had.

:facepalm:

He had a 1.58 10 yard split.

He also had a great RAS.

There’s a reason he was a 5 star recruit. He absolutely is “that athletic”.

So did Speaks.

We'll see.

on video he looks like Kpass

:facepalm:

Speaks wasn’t remotely close to Kaindoh in terms of athleticism.

His 10 yard split is 1.58. That's a lot of burst.

Breeland Speaks 10 yard split is 1.64.

Yep. Looks slow.

The only burst Speaks will ever have is maybe a blocked artery

Too raw to have been a draft pick in my opinion. Seemed like a UDFA guy. After watching KPass not develop much as a similar type of athletic prospect with little skill, I'm not expecting a whole hell of a lot. Would have taken Ogundeji, at least he flashed some significant potential.

That said, it's a day 3 pick and, hopefully, something good comes of it. Who knows, maybe everything will suddenly click and he'll beast out.

His testing was to much off the chart to not get picked.

He looks slow, but covers a lot of ground because of his stride. Doesn’t take him many steps to get to the QB. We should be talking about him more. He’s going to be the hidden gem, not Powell, Gray or Trey. Mark it down.

Another 5 star recruit, who showed some flashes. I like this pick.

Maybe so. I'm a big production guy. I want to see a player do something on the field. Although, it seems like that entire FSU defense did jack and shit this year.

The Chiefs drafted the #1 and #5 recruits from 2017.

He’s not KPass, Jesus. I was meh on the pick and even I can tell that. KPass wishes he had this kind of athleticism.

Yea I get it but sometimes you're drafting on measurables.

Yes, sir and that deep into the draft is a nice caveat. The organization as a whole have become a premier group. Our scouting department is second to none now. It’s refreshing to see a GM that knows player personnel and how to attain those players. For where this kid was picked, it’s obvious our scouting department did their homework. If he can stay healthy, we may have a good pass rush, again. I like this kid’s upside.

Reminds me of Charles Haley, hope he can pan out.

It’s a fifth round pick. If you want measurables and production, you ain’t getting that player in the 5th

4th round. Still the same point though.

4th 5th whatever

He’s about the normal 4th round pick type player

It was definitely the measurables that we loved with this kid. That 10 yard split is elite. And his 3 cone is also really good for a guy his size. Main thing I worry about is those tall guys getting bend. It’s difficult for them to do that effectively.

I’m looking at the 10 yard splits and this kid was better than almost every DL minus Rousseau who had a 1.57 time.

Which reminds me...I’m pretty confident in saying that if Fisher never gets hurt than Rousseau would be a Chief today. Veach would have made the move to get him.

Which sucks bc the Bills got him and I think he’s gonna be good.

I think philosophically, The Chiefs draft plan was really solid.

Take smart, productive football players that will be starters sooner than later in round 2, albeit in less 'premier' positions but do NOT reach for 'premier' positions.

In middle and late rounds, take high upside athletes with high football character and give them elite coaching to get the most of their talent.

Every one of these guys has a better shot than most to be contributors, and I'll bet that at least one is a star in the near future.

I think Kaindoh was potential to be great, I really do. You cannot coach that length, or that explosiveness. He's the exact opposite of Danna (who I like, but who's limited due to lack of those attributes).

He’s about as bendy as you’re going to get at his size.

It always cracks me up when guys complain about bend or route running.

“He’s 6”5 and isn’t a great route runner because he’s stiff”

Well no shit. Physics isn’t going to allow him to not be stiff he’s ****ing huge

Exactly.

Kaindoh is either going to be a STAR, multiple pro-bowler double digit sack guy, or he's going to be selling used cars in 2023. There isn't a middle ground for him, and I'm totally fine with taking that swing.

Uh that’s the point of my post. So thanks for elaborating LMAO

I really don’t know what to make of this pick. I hope to be pleasantly surprised.

Kaindoh is easily the least exciting pick of this class for me. The physical potential is off the charts but that complete lack of expected college production sets off alarms. Sounds like he was a bust in college given how highly touted of a recruit he was.

I understand poor coaching and player development but still, there have been physically gifted players that played well and, in some cases, dominated at the collegiate level, despite a lack of honed technique and were considered raw coming into the league. On the flipside, there's countless examples of those types of guys being trash in the league so perhaps Kaindoh will be the opposite?...a collegiate bust but an NFL beast.

That'd be quite the story. Time will tell but can't I honestly say I'm optimistic but hoping he pans out given that he's a Chief.

Florida State had 5 day 3 or UDFA guys with great measurables/talent that all underachieved in college and went late in the draft:

Janarius Robinson
Josh Kaindoh
Hamsah Nasirildeen
Marvin Wilson
Tamorrion Terry

If that doesn’t make it obvious what the issue was, I don’t know what will.

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Yep.

I'm pretty stoked about the guys we drafted this year and everyone says i'm mr. negative so that should tell you how good our draft looks this year. :D

Kaindoh is my least favorite by far.

Basham was so close to our picks and a way better option.

I like Creed at center but there Green was still there as well.

I dunno, just disappointing.

Hope Kaindoh surprises, i guess.

Yea so disappointing to take a guy in the 4th that was up there with Chase Young and Jaelan Phillips coming out of HS and clearly went to one of the worst programs in CFB at developing talent.

SO DISAPPOINTING!!!

yes, Mr. Homer.

We are all supposed to love everything single thing that happens.

It doesn't matter to you that we love everything but 1 pick.

relax, dude.

Basham's ceiling is Okafor.

Kaindoh's ceiling is double digit sacks every year, pro-bowler. Injuries and poor coaching is why he fell. Athletically, he's off the charts.

Basham was the safer pick; he's unlikely to bust completely. His floor is like...Mike Danna.

Kaindoh may be out of football in two years.

OR he may be a star.

It’s has nothing to do with any of that.

I just don’t see how you can be so disappointed with a very high upside pick on day ****ing 3.

I look at it like this-

what is it, like a 30% chance on average that you get 'successful' NFL player post round one?

I like taking big swings on potential star ability in the hopes that we get ONE shockingly good player as opposed to a couple of meh guys.

Meh guys are cheap and easily found every year. Stars are tough to find and develop or expensive to purchase.

Exactly.

Like I’ve said before, the later the pick the more it becomes like a lottery ticket. Why wouldn’t you want the biggest potential earnings?

yeah, we don't really need a bunch of JAGS. JAGS are cheap on the free agent market and totally replaceable.

We need to hit on some elite talent. Take the big swing. **** the safe bets. We're not rebuilding, we're a perennial contender.

I guess I’m in the minority, the second day of the draft was boring to me, high floor low ceiling guys. Kaindoh is a swing gray is a swing I love it.

That’s why I wouldn’t expect too much from him this year. He hasn’t had good coaching and needs time to build technique.

He should be thrilled to work with Spags and Daley

Especially in this crapshoot of a draft.

Totally. It's like on CP: sometimes you get a JakeF; other times you get a Rain Man. But it doesn't mean you just stop swinging.

Biggest question mark: Almost all of the Chiefs’ selections are both logical and demonstrate effective value. But perhaps the most intriguing gamble from Chiefs comes in the selection of Kaindoh, a true developmental defensive end who didn’t record a sack in his final season at Florida State.

Listed at 6-foot-6 and 260 pounds, Kaindoh is a pass rusher who appears to be an ascending prospect. The Chiefs just need to help Kaindoh reach his ceiling. Last season, Kaindoh had three tackles for loss and an interception that he returned for a touchdown. The hope is that he becomes a reliable contributor in 2022 to be a better selection for the Chiefs than Breeland Speaks and Tanoh Kpassagnon, two former second-round picks who didn’t generate consistent production.

Dane Brugler’s analysis: : A one-year starter at Florida State, Kaindoh was the field defensive end in defensive coordinator Adam Fuller’s four-man front, standing up and rushing with his hand on the ground. He arrived in Tallahassee as a five-star recruit with lofty expectations and he struggled to match the hype (8.0 career sacks), primarily due to several injury issues. … Overall, Kaindoh is a toolsy prospect with his length, body control and hand strength, but he needs to stay healthy and play with better efficiency to unlock his pass rush potential. He projects as a developmental 4-3 end prospect.

To be fair, I think had it not been for Dion Jordan in 2013, Kaindoh would've gone a LOT earlier than he did.

Jordan was similar ..6'6 250lbs with a 4.6 40 and lacked sack production ("due to dropping into coverage so often" was the excuse back then) and was ultimately a bust as the No. 3 overall pick as well as a cautionary tale for teams looking to gamble on similar DE prospects that followed.

Didn’t he also light himself on fire? That was a weird story

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I mean....he's very raw, but is he any different than Tanoh?

Not a big fan of this pick, simply because this was a deep draft where you could find immediate major contributors later in the draft. Only difference now is KC isn't drafting these types in the 2nd.

Talanoa Hufanga
Adetokunbo Ogundeji
Jacoby Stevens
Tarron Jackson
Marquez Stevenson
Quincy Roche
Stone Forsythe

IMO either one of these players would have been a better pick. This team is in win now mode. It's gonna take at least 3yrs to get this guy good enough to be in the DL rotation.

Absolute bullshit.

I'll point to Daviyon Nixon and Jamar Johnson as two shining examples of it this year.

Late 4th to early 5th you can still get some talented players. Look at guys at the end of the 4th last year in Sneed and Gabriel Davis.

They exist and capitalizing on them often pays dividends.

He is nothing like Tanoh. Just because someone needs to be coached up to achieve potential doesn't make him Tanoh.

This prospect is very exciting. One thing we desperately need was a speed rusher that wasn't a smaller guy like Dee Ford. Getting around the edge is easy for Kindoah. Chris Jones and Reed will do the rest.

And we know those two guys are gonna pan out? Just because "expert" mock drafts think these guys will be good doesn't mean our FO agrees. There will be 1st Rounders who bust out. I will trust the system with these guys. If there is anyone who can unlock his potential it is Daly and Spags. If he doesn't pan out then we try again.

I think it'll be much sooner than that. Two years at the most before things click. I feel he has more to work with physically than Tanoh. I would not be at all surprised if he flipped a switch at some point THIS season. As Staylor mentioned earlier in the thread, there are some Sneed parallels.

He's been plagued by injuries.

If he can get healthy, he'll end up being a really nice pick for a late-rounder.

If he isn’t successful, it won’t be because of his situation. He’ll have Daly coaching him up and guys on the interior taking the attention.

I still would have taken the Notre Dame kid Adetokunbo Ogundeji. More pro ready, developed, high ceiling and ascended every year in production.

We’ll see how this kid does but he’s my least favorite pick of the draft

I dont know how anyone can watch the highlights and make a Kpass comp. This man moves like an NFL edge player, Kpass just never had that look or feel to him.

If a 4th rounder is your least favorite pick, they did okay then.

Personally the 2nd round picks didnt blow me away but theyre almost sure contributors at areas of need and its hard to complain. If Kaindoh, a guy with a low floor but pro bowl type upside is your least favorite, it aint that bad.

The 2nd rounders won't really blow anybody away but then again, I think that's kind of the point.

They drafted solid, starting-quality players with their first two picks. Both Bolton and Humphrey are going to contribute right away and for a team like this, that's something you need when you already have so many playmakers.

They could have used another WR but what they did get was all about solid value and I can't argue with it.

I find it hilarious/silly when people don’t like a pick because they didn’t take their guy, especially on day 3.

The real question is “did his dick come out while running the 40?”

If so, future All Pro.

Seems like a really solid dude. Easy smile, called everyone sir, thoughtful answers. Easy guy to root for, I hope he tears it up and gets some rings.

Yep and then compare him to some shitty pick in the past as if there is some kind of connection.

He's got a lot of elite physical tools. It's a matter of staying healthy and putting it all together for this kid. We got something here.

In high school, yes. Crazy accident...weird indeed. Jordan's lucky he survived, let alone resume his football career.