And the Virginia Tech offense that he came from doesn’t worry you?

If we pass on tackles in the first 50 picks then I’ll worry bc you’re looking at the projects who have no business starting at LT this year and Okung will get hurt.

They need to get back to Ingram after the draft and try to get him for a fair deal

Fullback

I doubt it.

Yeah there's for sure depth. But depth doesn't always mean "elite". If you're looking for an elite DE or elite LT, usually, you're gonna have to spend a pretty hefty pick for that guy. Not always.

The more I read about this class, I'm just not sure about the LT depth. There very well could be, but I'm not sure once you get past the top 3 or 4 that it doesn't thin out.

With how they run the DL rotations here, I'm more optimistic on getting a DE who can play well there. But with the way Andy leaves the T's on islands, I'm not sure you can go with the guys available in the later picks like we may have to and be ok for a while.

My #1 dark horse is probably Leatherwood.

I think the Chiefs are going to love the measurables.

I don't really want anything to do with Okung. He's just too injury prone for me. If you're taking one at 31, put him next to Thuney, give him some help blocking wise for a while and bring him along slowly. Don't just put him on the island and make him sink or swim.

I'm just not sure...what position do you play him at? LT?

Well yea when I say depth that doesn’t mean you can get a LT on day 3.

But you can get guys like Forsythe, Little, Brown, Ball etc. on day 2.

Also, I don’t think we need “elite”. We just need good players at those positions.

Yea. He’s one of the only fringe round 1 guys that have the measurables that they typically look for at T.

I mean he’s a rare specimen physically. Just look at this:

LT DE and QB being the cornerstone spots I think you wanna do all you can to have a baseline of "really good with high upside" there. Looking around the league, it's just tough to get by at those spots without a premium dude. Atleast at LT, the guy has to be pretty damn elite physically to have a chance to stick there. I think once we get past Cosmi...I dunno that I like those others before round 3 or 4.

I dunno, I'm excited to see what they do.

From what I've read, he'd pretty much have to redshirt this first year? I dunno about a first rounder on that.

There's plenty of depth. There's no "cream". That's the issue.

You want to trade up fo a guy like Darrisaw, who still needs to develop. Even Sewell isn't the consensus top LT in other classes. The top of this LT class is actually not that great compared to other years. It's kind of "2013-esque".

Trading a ton of picks to get a "maybe" is a really bad use of resources.

Sewell would be a top pick in most classes of LT's. Darrisaw seems like a pretty normal high end LT. He's not Anthony Munoz I don't think, but he's about what you'd normally get at 10-15 in the draft.

Is that worth trading up for? I would probably explore it all things considered.

You’re constantly thinking in terms of rules and in absolutes. It’s silly.

Little, Brown, and Forsythe have as much upside as any LT prospect in this draft outside of Sewell.

Every prospect, draft, and situation is different.

Outliers happen. For sure, 100%.

But I don't wanna bank on it.

So you will pigeonhole yourself into a T in round 1 despite the depth and talent at the position because of a perceived “rule”.

Thank god you aren’t in charge...

What really sucks is that Sewell is absolutely the perfect fit for a LT in Andy's offense.

LT is what, the 2nd most important position in football. They don't currently have one. So yeah, I'd say they're gonna be pretty aggressive to get one.

Until they sign a fill in type vet, I'm of the opinion they're pretty locked on someone in that first round either at 31 or via trade up.

That should be the preference and the goal.

But you shouldn’t feel you “have” to or that it’s the only way.

I’m just excited to watch the implosion around here when the Chiefs don’t take a LT at 31.

Popcorn!

Sewell measured short of his anticipated height and his arms are only 33".

No, he wouldn't be a top pick in most classes and in fact, there's discussion now if he's even the top LT in THIS class because people have been more impressed by Slater despite his size.

From what I've read, Sewell seemingly would be. Maybe I'm reading the wrong things.

I like Slater but I'm just not sure if he's a LT. Sewell is so athletic I dont' think the short arms will be much of a factor.

Shit, I hope a few of these others jump him. He gets to 12, I'd definitely trade up for him.

Sewell is the best lineman in this draft. He will go in the top 10.

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Probably a dumb idea: Move Thuney to LT and take the best guard available? Maybe a move up for a guy like Alijah Vera-Tucker, who would seem to be closer to a sure thing than the mid-to-late 1st round tackles.

Yeah. That would be monumentally stupid.

On the surface, it makes more sense than giving up multiple picks for an unproven OT. Assuming Thuney is as effective at LT as advertised.

Andy prefers 34 arms but that doesn’t mean everyone does. Sewell is easily the best Tackle in this class and it’s not really a discussion. This is like criticizing Patrick Mahomes for having 9.25 size hands.

But hey if a team wants to take Slater over him then so be it. Teams do that all the time. Raiders took Ferrell over the field and that was a disaster LMAO

KC native Braden Smith has 32.25 arms and he’s very good at tackle, so it doesn’t appear to be a determining factor for most teams.

The Bengals would be stupid to not take Sewell. If Burrow wants to survive in this league you take a LT

Bateman or Eichenberg, and whoever it is, our first pick is in the second round.

It does not.

What concerns me is his foot speed. He needs to be quicker because he's going to have to make a lot of "vertical sets" with all the ridiculous slippery stuff Mahomes does to buy time.

Honestly, I'd prefer doing what we have to do to land Eichenberg. But that just doesn't feel like a Veach pick.

Eichenberg doesn’t have the athleticism or the arm length for this offense.

He'll give you ten years of solid, fringe Pro Bowl protection on the blind side, though.

At the end of the 1st, I take that and run. Hell, I'd take that in the 20s.

Oh I'm not saying taking Slater over Sewell would be a good idea. Teams make stupid moves all the time based on things like this. It has definitely sparked a discussion whether that discussion actually has merit or not.

Yep. I'm not sure he'd even be on their radar given the emphasis on SPARQ lately.

And he’s only 20. He’s going to be an ass kicker in the NFL

Brian Kelly said himself that Eichenberg is a plug and play RT but lacks the athleticism to be a LT.

That's what they said about Amobi Okoye.

DE or WR

I thought Okoye was going to be very good too. :(

And I think Sewell will be very good.

Doesn't mean he will be. Draft picks are draft picks. Some of them never pan out despite having nearly everything go in their favor.

That's why I'm not in favor of trading a bunch of high picks for one guy, despite his talent level. He could tear a pectoral the day after we draft him and never play again. Giving up 1 draft pick for that is bad enough. Giving up 2 firsts in successive years could be a major setback to a team with an open SB window.

One position I think we see the Chiefs draft either R2 or R3 is slot corner. Didn’t think of it much until listening to the AP laboratory podcast, but it makes too much sense.

They want to move Sneed outside as evidenced by their interest in K’Waun Williams. But you need a true slot guy who can really blitz. Idk that you’re finding a day one starter in that role unless it’s a top 100 draft pick. And I also don’t think they are planning to start Fenton there.

I think I’d rather do that than to run it back with Breeland and keep Sneed inside where his blue chip potential can be limited in some ways.

Why do several people want to take a RT and move him to LT while putting that player up against higher level talent at the same time. Seems like a recipe for disaster to me. :shrug:

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Mahomes makes it too easy. Gotta keep things competitive.

So then what are we doing?

I think the Chiefs probably love Elijah Molden...

Hopefully not having a disaster?

If it's a 1st round LT and a trade up it'll either be Darrisaw in the top 15 or Walker Little in the 20-27 range.

Due to schematic and measurable preference

He is great.

Would it surprise anyone if Veach pulls some under-the-radar stud to play LT somewhere in rounds 2-4 who ends up being just as good, if not better than the top-rated guys everyone is talking about?

Just like he did last year with Sneed.

In Veach I Trust.

Has little hardly played in two years?

One of the Miami DE’s is my guess. Rousseau or Philips.

Was a top 10 prospect before his injury

Trade up: OT Christian Darrisaw, Virginia Tech

Stay at 31: OT Spencer Brown, Northern Iowa
A virtual clone of Nate Solder who has been rather good.

Do you see Brown at RT and Niang at LT? Or do you think Brown can play LT?

Spencer brown at 31... mercy, how many LT’s get taken in the 1st? Seems like a lot of panic with wanting to take some these LTs so early. It’ll be ok. We will find a stop gap. Does anyone in the media have Spencer brown going in the first? I haven’t seen him in anyone’s top 50. Don’t get me wrong, him or little would be good in the second. I don’t think I’ve seen little in anyone’s top 50 either.

Makes for ~8 1st rd capable ot... we staying put I think.

Who are the top 8 LTs? After the top 3, it’s all over the place.

And I looked again and I don’t see any top 50 big boards with either little or brown.. no need to reach.

1) Sewell
2) Slater
3) Jenkins
4) Darrisaw
5) Eichenberg
6) Mayfield
^ have been considered 1st rd pretty consistently

+
7) Cosmi (been creeping up lately)
8) Brown (Cleary deserving for same reasons as Cosmi)

+
9) Vera-Tucker (Primarily an OG but considered 1st rd OL)


I think it’s fair to say all 9 of the above “could go in the 1st,” but I think the record is x7 OT in the 1st set either last year or the one prior (from pot-head memory). Making it likely that we could get one at 31.

^Beyond these guys you could...

10) trade for Orlando Brown

Or

11) bring in Okung, Schwartz, or Fisher as stop gap.

If Spencer Brown wore an Alabama, Notre Dame or Clemson jersey he'd be a sure fire 1st round pick. The guy is an absolute freakshow. Id love to see us take a WR in the first, trade up if needed for Spencer Brown in the second and sign a stop gap left tackle for a year while Brown gets his feet wet.

Deal

they're going to trade down to 41 and draft Terrance Marshall. Then Dillon Radunz at #63.

It's got to be Nick Bolton if he's there. Best prospect in the draft.

He's an average athlete, and Veach favors players with excellent metrics on Defense which Bolton doesn't have

Not even close. He's not the best at his position even. He's not even top 3 at his position, honestly.

Brown at LT. The kid has amazing quickness. I know it's a dark horse, coming out of nowhere statement on Brown in the 1st but his footwork and aggressiveness stand out on tape and his measurables are A+.

This has been the play I preferred for a while now

Im with you in this insanity.

I’m all in.

Brown had a subpar Senior Bowl week and game

But has plus measurables.

As opposed to someone like Radunz, who had a great Senior Bowl week but underwhelmed with his size and build.

Veach has developed a taste for certain types of athletes. I don't think Brown's Senior Bowl performance means much in the end.

I do like Brown's highlights, but like a lot of measurable guys who play at a small school, I would expect a learning curve. I would prefer we take a guy who can contribute from day one, and I'm not sure you can count on that with him.

Also, he played RT. It's very rare for RT's to switch to LT, so we would still need to address LT.

If Spencer Brown is who we are going to target, I would imagine you may be able to trade back a little way and still get him.

When it comes to offensive player preference it's very arbitrary like the RB position, and outside of DeMarcus Robinson the 4.4 threshold is important at WR. TE position is an " game film" position for Andy because he was a TE coach in GB for a period.

The 33.5 and up inch arm length for OT variable is significant to Andy if you look at his draft history but game film is more heavily weighted in comparison field drill tests in Andy's eyes.

On defense is where the shift is evident because Veach said he wasn't a metric guy after he selected Speaks, but after said bust Brett's evaluation criteria changed with weighted opinion on measurables

Who are you going to get that can contribute day 1 at LT?

A lot of people think Jenkins and Eichenberg are RT's. Cosmi and Radunz are raw and will likely need to be developed.

There's a huge problem with this draft - there aren't any guys that have BOTH a high ceiling AND can start right away, at least not ones that will be available to the Chiefs.

So they're going to have to decide if 2021 is more important than 2022 and beyond.

I know which way I would go.

So which LT would you target, bearing in mind they all have holes in their game?

For 1st round pick LT's it's either Darrisaw or Walker Little . IMO Tevan Jenkins is being looked at as a RT/OG.

This isn’t true.

I watched all of the 1 on 1s and I wouldn’t call his week “subpar” at all.

Here’s some highlights as well:

https://youtu.be/Uyqd_7ZdTgs

He got PWNed at one on one drills, and whiffed on speed rushers during the game due to poor technique and balance.


Great measurables to develop but it'll take 3 years for him to be prepared and protecting the Mahomes investment if he is capable to start