Thought about Patrick Peterson too, but he’s only got 2 years left on his deal. Not worth a 2nd

This is going to be a buyers market for safeties. Just like last offseason. Lots of supply and GMs don’t covet safeties like they used to.

Supply
Demand
Age
Injury

These aspects are going to impact his per year average.

Harrison Smiths first year cap hit was only 7m.

Fullers first year cap hit was 6.5m

Veach can literally make enough 2019 cap space to sign Howard and Thomas by restructuring Houston and converting everything but vet minimum of his base salary to a bonus and pushing that amount to next year.

Veach is going to go all in. I’m telling you he’s going to.

Veach will sign a top tier guy at CB and safety...and maybe another move.

And still have space to tag Ford.

Watch.

Would love Ramsey, but I really like that we’re developing our own corners.

Keep hope alive, brother. Keep hope alive.

That's what they said about Josh Norman, though...

Draft, baby. All about the draft.

Two totally different players.

I'd do that, if gives you a solid base, you have a good outside CB to go with Fuller then you draft a guy to pair with Ward and the position looks solid.

Then you find some help at safety and this secondary is looking up.

The CB market sucks balls this year.

That’s why I’m so interested in trading for one of the guys rumored to be available.

Watch Steven Nelson get 12m per.

If Nelson gets 12M per what do you think Howard is going to want?

That's why i'd target one of the guys under contract for a while or Ramsey who you could have for 3 years without a big deal.

15 average. Fuller got 14 average.

IMO we need as many guys that take the ball away as possible.

11 picks in 17 games is incredibly valuable when we have a guy like Mahomes getting that ball back.

Lmao Baker could be smoking a pound and drinking a pint of codeine a day. Idc as long as he can cover Edelman running the same crossing route on 3rd down 10 times a game.

I guess I could see sending a 1 and 3 for Ramsey - I must have had his contract confused with Trae Waynes, who just has his 5th year options remaining. If you have two years of control left with Ramsey he becomes the perfect fix to our QB issue.

Good for you.

You could have him for 3 years with his fifth year option and a single year tag. Then you let him walk and get a 3rd back or tag and trade him.

If he doesn't hold out.

And Ramsey seems like the guy who would hold out.

I don't think guys at premium spots are going to hold out. Every one is so scared of a leveon situation, but whats the tag number for a corner? 16 mil?

No one turning that down.

Yep. I really thought he was entering his 5th option year, which means you are giving up two high picks for a guys making a decent money who's then looking for a big contract.

I think his attitude issues clear up in a hurry with an offense like the Chiefs have.

Bell only held out because he's a RB, that was a self preservation thing.

And he really screwed up by not returning to the team for the final 6 games.

Ramsey nor Peterson will be traded.

Thanks Adam

I doubt they do get traded.

But that would be something the Chiefs should obviously look into.

**** me in the ass and pretend your gfs pussy just got muddy

oh good lord. If Nelson's gonna get $12 million per...I'm never signing a CB to a second contract ever again. Just draft a one every year and let 'em walk when their rookie deal is up.

$12 million!? For ****ING NELSON!? **** ALL OF THAT.

The cap increases are pushing contracts up equally fast, and it's a pretty dire FA market for corners.

Nelson’s not as bad as some here make him out to be, really. All CBS get burnt once in awhile and he was no exception to that...but he was solid most of the time. If KC had the talent to keep him at NB, he’d be very good in that role.

Walter has him as a 4 Star FA.

well, if that's the case **** ALL THAT.

Just draft a couple. And draft one every year, and just cycle them through.

CB is a premium position, but you can't afford to pay mediocre talent like that and keep a top offense.

Depends what you do with Ford I guess but Houston and Berry will be coming off the books after next year you can walk away or redo a deal with Watkins. You really could load give Howard a big 5 year deal, a get a corner round 2 too.

Houston Jones Nadi Speaks

DoD/ Hitchens / Rookie

Howard Berry Sorenson Ward or Fuller

Hows that not a top 10-15 unit with an elite secondary?

I hate paying a big deal to a guy outside the organization that you don’t know that we’ll

Best thing to do for the Chiefs at the CB position is to draft a high pick, draft a mid or low pick and trade/sign for a good CB who is nearing the end of his prime. Something like the Rams who traded for Talib. Maybe the Chiefs can trade for Peterson or another top veteran whom the Chiefs would keep just for a few years.

Nelson has no idea where the ball is. On NE’s 2nd TD all he has to do is turn around and he may have a pick. Guy drives me nuts. Does this weekly.

because Howard is trash and not even a lateral move.

me too

I'm fine with going into the season with Ward, Fuller, and two high picks honestly. Fix the front 7 and sign a stud safety ala Collins or Thomas.

CB's are high salary guys, whether they're any good or not, apparently.

Sadly Nelsons numbers all say he's a good player.

with a tag-and-trade deal for Ford, we're going to have 4 picks in the first two rounds.
We need 2 corners to be safe. Just earmark two of those picks at CB and get on with our lives.

yeah, well the eye test and all of the PI calls say otherwise.

He's William Bartee. Literally, same guy. No ball awareness. Always in position, never makes the play.

You can get that or better out of a rookie.

Just so we are clear: no one thinks Xavien Howard is actually a good idea, right?

Just... Titty Meat.

And BossChief

I think you've got to grow your own. I think they're ALL overpaid under the current rules.

I'm sure ya'll would nail it like you did last year when you thought the secondary is in "good shape". Just so were clear.

I’d be fine sending a third for the guy and I’d be fine giving him a big contract if it’s structured to protect the team in case his play falls off.

We need defenders that cause turnovers and Howard has 11 interceptions in the last 17 games.

That’s 11 more possessions for Mahomes.

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He doesn’t downplay it. Said keep a eye on it

Paired with what terez said....


But more than a first? Eh

They'd be stupid to give away Xavien Howard for a late first.

He's young, elite and on a very team friendly deal.

I've always felt that a first and a fourth would be fair. Can't stand by and just pray that the secondary won't suck from one week to the next, time to be proactive in improving it.

He has a lot higher opinion of Howard than DJLN does

Give them a 1 in 2020 and a 2 in 2021

Is he really an elite corner?

I think he’s top 5 in the league.

He could do things that many other CB’s can’t do. Howard is a special, ascending player. I think he may very well be in his prime right now.

The stats suggest he is. Was incredible getting interceptions last year. Pretty much prime Peters level.

F that noise.

Stats are one thing, I’d recommend to watch film on him. Its incredible the sh*t this guy does. He’ll leave you in awe.

The only downside to his game is he likes to grab the receiver which gets a lot of penalties called. The thing is though he is in such great position he doesn't have to grab

You're out of your mind...I'd do that deal in a heartbeat.

I doubt they would...

Yeah, he’s pretty good

nobody is going to give you something of value for nothing. If you want a young, stud cb, who is locked up until 2024 on a team friendly deal, you offer at least that.

And part of the reason is that he is great at maintaining leverage in coverage.

I saw on twitter that after Brown went off early In the Miami game Flores stuck Howard on him and he barely had a catch from then on. He got shut down.

How about the Chiefs offer a 1st & 3rd in 2020 for Howard & the Dolphins 4th? Think they’d fall for it?

Guys that’s just a shitload to give up.

I like him but wouldnt give up anything significant for him. This was before we got Mathieu, Thornhill, Claiborne, Breeland

Seems like a lot. This is suppose to be a CB loaded draft. I want a CB now like everyone else. I think what we do will be determined by how we look at CB after week 5.

I would take Howard over Peterson all day.

He is not a temporary fix. He is an elite Corner which a first round draft pick is a maybe. Cough up the draft capitol and fix the secondary immediately, not add some maybes down the road.

I’d trade a 1st for Howard anyday. He is easily worth that. We’re not getting a CB in the late 1st as good as him. No way. Plus, we trade for him and he’s locked in here for another 4 years. Not too shabby for a young superbowl contending team.

Good thing you're not a GM.

You realize the odds of finding a Xavien Howard with the last pick in the first round? Dont be stupid...

What?

Howard is a younger player in his prime and is just as good as PP is right now. He is playing right NOW and damn good at that; he is simply in rhythm, whereas PP is not because of his suspension. Plus, Howard would be locked up here for the next 5 years. PP is pushing close to thirty and will be a free agent after next year.

Put all these variables together and the better move obviously is Howard.

By your logic, every competitive team should always trade their high picks to get elite players now.

1st round picks have a ton of value because you're getting a young player who potentially could give you nearly 10 years of great play and you are getting that player for cheap for 4 years and cheap contract for great play is incredibly valuable in this league because of the salary cap.

Basically, Veach could keep the 1st round pick and then next offseason you draft a CB and then sign the best FA CB. You end up paying the same as if you'd just have Howard but you've got two positions locked down with one FA who might not be far away from Howard and a rookie CB who might be solid right off the bat and you hope can become great.

I am personally all for PP. It just makes a ton more sense to me both in a short term and long term perspective.

Anyways, trading potentially a 1st and more for Howard who is 26 and super expensive when you traded Peters for a future 2nd and a 4th sounds wrong, especially that Peters was younger, with two years left on his rookie contract and just as good at the time, granted he had attitude problems.

If only salary cap didnt exist and rookie contracts weren't so valuable because of it.

Trade compensation wont be the same for PP and Howard.

Salary cap and trade compensation are nothing that Chiefs fans should worry about in this situation. First off, the Chiefs have the cap space to pull this off and secondly most late 1st rounders don’t work out anyway. The odds of getting a player as good as Howard with a rookie contract late in the 1st round are very improbable.

Give me Howard anyday for a 1st and I’ll gladly take his salary. He is worth both the risk and the money. We may not find a better CB in the market now and our chances of beating the Pats improves immensely.

*Remember this is a guy who picked off Tom Brady twice in one game. Good luck finding that in the draft.

I completely agree.
All its gonna take is for the Chiefs CB's to get torched, say by the Raiders, and many of those objecting, will also.

But ...https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-the-only-one/

They won't be trading him but I'd do it...

They probably told Laremy Tunsil that he wouldnt be traded as well.

If you are Howard and your agent came to you and said the Chiefs want to trade for you, I bet you say...Hell Yeah!

Or you can stay in Miami and lose your entire career.

So we have 2 media guys saying that the Chiefs moved the money around and are sniffing around CB's.

Is that enough for me to keep speculating...…..yes. Yes it is.