http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/im...ileys/love.gif .. yes please.

Would benefit the team to have Houston and KPass as pure edge rushers. Chris Jones and Bailey inside. Too costly for either Ford or Logan to stick around. I think all the other LBs would benefit from this as well. (Rags as the Mike)

Wouldn't have to change things up on the line when in pass situations. Just drop out a LB or two for a DB.

I would hope and think the players, especially a well respected guy like Houston, are communicating this up. I'm sure they heard Romo pick apart this defense on national TV. And it's no secret that peters hates this scheme. Sutton may have no clue but I'd have to think plenty of people in the org know there's a problem.

Punting Bortles to make Cousins the highest paid QB ever, who has Bortles like meltdowns, doesn't seem like a move Tom Coughlin would favor.

Trading Houston is a very bad idea. We'd take a $13M dead cap hit.

Houston is a good target for a 2019 restructure or contract extension. Unless they decide to outright cut him in 2019, which I doubt they'd want to given his veteran leadership. We'll get cap relief for his contract soon enough.

Swear to God, Cousins has to be the most inexplicably overhyped QB of the last 10 years

Hmm. I think that's goofy on their end.

The way that Jags team is set up, they'd be better off with a guy like Smith who won't screw things up more so than Cousins who can be a bit of a wild card. They need a guy who can consistently go out and protect the ball, as they are 9-0 when Bortles hasn't thrown an INT in 2017.

Meh, not sure he's really that hyped. I think everyone sees him as a middling QB. But the Jags are in that win now, long window mode that long-term stability at QB is on their mind. And it's going to be really hard for them to rely on the draft since they'll probably be a lower first round pick for years to come.

Agree. But you have to make sure you get your guy. Not sure Jacksonville is that attractive for Cousins.

I would think Jacksonville is the most appealing QB opening. Elite defense, great running game, good receivers. Good weather. They've got the money to pay you...

Any QB would be fine with that IMO.

And tons of cap space for years to come.

True but that will shrivel up pretty quickly because they have a BUNCH of young studs playing for cheap right now. Especially if they sign a QB for big money.

I think Smith is the man for the job there but we'll see. The Chiefs shouldn't give them Alex unless they pony up the best trade deal by far.

The Chiefs are last in the NFL in projected cap space in 2018. We are a projected $7 million in the red.

Thanks Dorsey

As many have pointed out maybe that is why Sutton is still employed here. Reid feels Dorsey screwed over the coaching stuff with lack of depth and undeserving contracts.

I really could care less what our projected cap space is. We have a ton of money we can move around without taking dead cap. The Chiefs are in fine cap space in 2018, and they'll be in terrific cap space by 2019. Especially if they trade Alex Smith.

the game is really being able to get out of contracts if need be. Chiefs are in a good shape. Situation is only going to get better

Yeah, that's one thing Dorsey actually did a pretty decent job of. Of course a Houston or a Berry will have a contract that's impossible to get out of, because you can't keep them any other way. But he had a ton of contracts like Parker, Bailey, etc... that look big $, but they're easy to get out of. The complete duff is on LDT and arguably Fisher. I don't know why they gave so much $ in those contracts that are virtually guaranteed. We can't get out of those for several years.

Idk man. LDT is one of the league's better guards right now, especially as a pass blocker.

$70+ million in Dead Money during Dorsey’s tenure is not a “decent job”, you ****ing idiot.

And LDT is one of the league’s better interior lineman who’s going nowhere.

Just getting rid of an expensive contract because it's a big contract is idiotic.

LDT's deal was perhaps premature, but he's earned it and will continue to earn it.

You need good players to go deep in the playoffs, and just because you're not underpaying them doesn't make them bad investments

I didn't say $70+ million was a decent job. Dorsey generally structured long-term contracts that could be exited in 2-3 years without much dead cap. He racked up dead cap because he impulsively cut too many players a year too soon or signed too many guys who could never make it 2-3 years. And LDT is fine as a Guard, but he's overpaid.

Win now comes at a cost.

Qb's in general are way overhyped with all the emphasis on passing.

They need to rebalance things.

With the chiefs starting a new qb and having a young offense basically set, it’s not likely they’re a contender next year unless things go really well.

That being the case they need to get the financial house in order so I’d look to potentially get rid of any older vet that isn’t gonna be here in a year or two anyway

“Getting out of shitty contracts that shouldn’t have been offered” for $2,000, Alex

Dunta Robinson
Anthony Fasano
Dwayne Bowe
Ben Grubbs (plus draft pick)
Vance Walker
Jah Reid
Tamba Hali (after taking an unnecessary $4 million Dead Space hit)
Jeremy Maclin
Derrick Johnson

On Deck:
Dan Sorensen
Allen Bailey

At least the Bennie Logan disaster was for one year

FYP

The only reason why, at this point, the Chiefs should be considered a contender for the AFC West crown is because Rivers will be a year older, Denver doesn’t have a QB and while the Raiders likely upgraded their coaching staff, their line is older and their defense is a sieve.

The best course of action for the Chiefs in 2018, IMO anyway, is to get a badass LG, a returner/receiver in the mold of Pharoah Cooper, draft as many defenses pieces as possible and hope to win high scoring shootouts each week.

Eh. The cap goes up enough every year to keep your own talent. When you gotta pay vets is when things accelerate in a hurry.

They need to try and push building the defense quickly while they’ve got a qb on a cheap deal.

They can do that through the draft.

But all the offense is missing is a monster left guard.

Fill that hole with a stud and the offense will be more explosive in 2018, especially in short yardage situations, which has been their albatross.

Weren’t they like first in the league in those situations this year?

I’d like a new lg but I’m not sure they value it that much for some reason

That’s why the draft is so important. Cheap contracts solve everything.

Dorsey ****ed up theb2014 draft, a 3rd rd pick in 2015 and took a developmental project in the 2nd rd this year.

Chickens came to roost this year.

Dorsey tried with the Grubbs trade, with Ehinger and so on but couldn’t crack that nut.

It’s time to pay a free agent, just like they did with Schwartz after years of bad right tackle play.

I’d be all for it but again, I’m just not sure that’s a spot they’ll go after

I haven’t looked but are there any good guards available

Can't nail every draft.

Just too many reeruned deals is what sunk KC. Shit like Dunta Robinson and that dog shit OL from Arizona, extending Grubbs, waiting forever to sign Berry+Houston, trading for a limpdick QB they had to pay, giving Jamaal more money for him to promptly break down.

So many shitty contracts because they were determined to win now.

Bad luck with some of it too

Houston and Berry get deserved big deals and get hurt

Etc etc

I don't think injuries after signing deals matters a lot, outside of just shit ass luck for us.

You just can't sustain for long when you're giving out record breaking deals while being crushed with dead money.

I do think we will have growing pains but I think with Berry coming back, if we can fix the pass rush it would really go a long way to making next year a legit year.

Yes, 26 year old All Pro from the Panthers Andrew Nowell.

27 year old Titans guard Quinton Spain.

I’d go all in on Nowell. An interior with Nowell/Fulton/LDT would be bad ass.

No more fail on 3rd and 1 or 4th and 1.

I’m tired of that shit.

I'm not as bummed out about free agency and draft. We used free agency to build depth and I don't mind if we keep doing that. For the price of one blue chip, we signed several middling guys to deals that were easy to back out of. Vance Walker and Dunta were disasters, but they were easy to cut. I feel like most of our really bad deals were when we re-signed our own. And our cap troubles on free agents were mostly poor cap management - cutting a guy way too soon, or not soon enough.

How would you rank G compared to CB, OLB, and DL?

It’s going to take some serious luck for this team to go from the bottom of the defensive ranking to even the middle.

Besides a starting Nose Tackle they need depth across the D line, a WILL next to Ragland, a competent cornerback opposite Peters, a ROLB and depth everywhere.

I don’t know if they can do that in one offseason.

I'm not sure they can either. I think the focus needs to be fixing 2 positions and hoping we get lucky enough to fill out some depth at the same time elsewhere.

It's gonna be hard to patch every hole on defense of course, but....

The Chiefs are in a unique position that should allow them to really hone in on defenders during the draft and FA. That should make it easier on them.

Except they’re going to need some luck because free agency doesn’t really offer many, if any, solutions.

It’s like last year: People were convinced Gerald Hodges would be the solution at ILBer. Not only was he passed upon by the Chiefs answer others, he was cut September 3rd by the Bills and went unclaimed before signing with New Orleans in October and recorded zero stats for the year.

For defense, it’ll be draft and trades. For offense, get the left guard in Free Agency.

Jags are paying Bouye $15 million a year for the next 4. That's a lot of money they had to spend to get him in FA. I would love to get a CB in free agency but financially it may not make sense.

It'd be an easy move if we weren't on the door step of potentially paying Peters even more.

I don't expect to be a Super Bowl contender next season but I do expect to compete for the division crown.

9-7 or 10-6 would be nice.

If they can really hit on their FA/draft moves... they could probably be contenders. It won't be easy, nor is it likely. But possible.

Even with Mahomes at QB, Chiefs get smoked bt either of those two teams

I mean who’s really gonna be a contender in the afc next year, outside of New England?

Pitt looks like it may be the end and Jacksonville has a great d and Bortles.

PIT's offense is still stacked if Ben comes back. The rest of the offense is young either way. Will be interesting to see what they do if Ben does retire.

Very unclear at this point with FA and the draft to come.

I would say Jacksonville is a contender with whoever their QB is, NE and PIT if they bring back their key guys.

Then you have teams like the Chiefs, Bills, Titans, Ravens, Chargers... inconsistent teams in 2017. Bound to see changes for better or worse.

Oakland should probably be better in the short term although I don't know if Gruden will be able to maintain success once they go to Vegas. Colts could be better with McDaniels for sure.

They could address most the needs if they went heavy D in the draft and nailed them all. I don't anticipate that they will ans will accept the fact that the D will probably be leaky again in 2018.

Priority might be loading talent on Offense for Pat.

I don't think the defense is as far away as we think it is, as long as Sutton is gone. Think we're so used to a world where we expect our D to carry us. This is a new era where we just need the D to be good.

Cut Hali, DJ, Parker. That gives us $32M + $6M if we cut Bailey. LBs and Safeties aren't hard to find. Prioritize a pass rusher and we're solid enough. A quality DT (or NT, depending on our defensive front) and extra CBs are icing on the cake. But before we spend a dime, sure as shit hope we build toward a scheme of the future, not toward band-aiding Sutton who I can't imagine makes it past 2018

We have to keep Parker, bro. What the hell are you thinking?

Yup, the bare bones essential on offense is LG

Of course we'd like an upgraded #2 tight end, and better receivers, but ultimately... Mahomes can do work with what we already have, just draft/spend like hell on this defense

Dumbass play calling doesn't help. IE an option play on 3rd and 1

It's clear that both of our lines need work getting nastier at the LOS. Norwell might be a great idea if it'll make that unit really good, and there's a good chance that he would.

Sign him, get a couple other guys and load up on D for the draft.

I agree. But in that case, it looked like a dumbass audible.

The Chiefs have been absolutely terrible in the Red Zone, on 4th & 1 and 3rd & 1 for years.

They need a ****ing REAL left guard, not old ****s or late rounders.

A real, bonafide, mother****ing stud left guard.

At $7M, Parker is expendable. Not like we're sitting on a mountain of money. We need to get tougher and more physical up-front, and get a better pass rush. We're talking about a pretty average player who plays a position of low positional value when it comes to the draft.

No, he's not.

JFC.

This team isn't near deep enough at safety to consider cutting Parker right now.

I'm as big of an Oline homer that there is and yet guard hasn't really been on my radar. Perhaps its because we have Ehinger, Witzmann, and even Cam Erving. But I think you are absolutley right, not only does this team improve drastically with a legit FA guard, but you build some decent depth while yours at it.

I think the real question is what then do you do at center? Let Fulton walk? With Morse heading in to his final year? That's a little risky.

Sign Andrew Norwell to be your starting left guard for the next 5 years, re-sign Fulton to a 4 year deal and let Morse play through his contract.

Morse isn't a mauler and he's had issues staying healthy. I'd rather see Fulton the starter and Morse as the Interior Swing guy in 2018.

Fulton is as dependable as it gets and that means a lot.

I think thats right. Not sexy, some fans will bitch, but that's exactly what you do with a young QB and NFL rushing leader. Hopefully Fulton is a deal.

We cut Parker then Sorenson replaces him and Murray replaces Sorenson. One of the safeties goes down then we've got..... McQuay? Reaser? playing 80+% of snaps.

Terrible. We free up enough space by trading Alex and cutting DJ and Hali. We just can't afford to replace our third best DB right now.

Great article that I agree with 100%

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/platf...mpression=true

If you don't create a new thread for this.....then I will.

I really don't know how I feel about keeping Revis for what will be somewhere around a $10M cap hit. He's not worth that, and this defense needs more corners who are willing tacklers IMO, which we know he isn't.

Other than that the article was pretty solid.

If you cut Revis, then you pretty much HAVE to go out and get a FA corner to replace him.

Yes, but with Revis set to cost somewhere around $10M to the 2018 cap once his salary becomes guaranteed, virtually any corners they sign will be cheaper for the 2018 season.

I'd just go grab someone else that can be relied on for 3-4 years, and draft one too.

I can’t embed from my phone so go ahead brotha

Nothing to adamantly disagree with in that AP article really

I'd like to see both Bailey and Revis take a shave and stick around, have waffled on both lately but just hate to create more glaring holes that will need to be filled... keeping both at a lower price that helps Veach shop around for push/depth at those spots would be ideal

Its not like Bailey is a total bum, and I'm willing to forgive Revis on some of his tackling 'attempts'... keeping Ford in his contract year also seems like a no-brainer

2Mil in cap relief for Demetrius Harris.. get gone.

And replace him with whom?

The Chiefs had tried replacing him with O'Shaugnessy, Travis, Escobar and Orson Charles and unfortunately, they are all worse than Harris.

I think he'll actually be better with Mahomes at QB.

If Orson Charles makes 1 goddamned catch on his hip the Chiefs beat Tennessee. Harris drops 30% of his targets but he seems to be getting better, he needs to stay unless there's an obvious upgrade and not some developmental bum.

We can only hope.

The Chiefs can't afford to spend a quality draft pick on the tight end position and free agency doesn't offer much in the way of an affordable yet productive tight end.

Maybe Jace Amaro will learn how to stay healthy...

He might get more looks like the time that Alex didn't throw him the ball in the Titans game in the 3rd quarter after the turnover. However in the end Harris' biggest issue is drops and that's not on Alex.