since Brian ****ing Waters.

He looked good in the last couple games, I think he and Ragland play well together. Are there a bunch of alternative ILBs that i'm unaware of that would be an improvement over DJ?

Currently as it sits we are $8mil over the cap for 2018.

Cutting or trading these players will gain us just a hair under $49mil
Alex Smith
Derrick Johnson
Tamba Hali
Dee Ford
Allen Bailey
Frank Zombo

Now for the sake of looking at things Justin Houston's cap hit is $20mil
Eric Berry's cap hit is $13mil
I Don't think both will rework their deals but maybe one would, I'd lean more towards Houston, dude says he wants to win and wants the superbowl, then it's time to help the team out.

I don't think we cut/trade all those players but lets say we rework DJ into a very friendly deal, Hali retires, and MAYBE we tell dee either take a very very insentive base team friendly deal or GTFO.

So lets say all cut we have 49mil added, minus the 8 mil we are over we are at 41mil, Say we keep DJ and Dee at a total of 5mil for both, we are at 36mil.

All this is based with a projected cap of 178mil

Earl Thomas, Eric Reid, Malcom Butler, and Talib would definitely be on my radar. I think butler is out though since he's wanting 10mil a year. I'm not sure what talib or thomas would want. The idea of having Earl Thomas and Eric Berry on the same field makes me moist though

Then we have to resign who we want as well though, Hopefully colquitt would take a team friendly deal, wilson, sherman, KPL.

Assuming Talib and Crabtree are both cap casualties we should sign them both. The perpetual game of snatch the chain they play would be great fun in training camp.

LOL my only problem with talib is i think he'd be a bad influence for peters, and noway crabtree comes here, He hates peters with a passion as well.

I’m all in on Talib, but Conley can give us what Crabtree would
provide at the #2 WR spot. I’d rather spend the money on defense.

Love DJ and all, but I don't think I can stomach watching him chasing running backs another year.

I was joking. The only WR I want is Robinson.

Gordon is an Exclusive Rights FA - so he would need PAID, not sure that's a good deal to make as its risky as hell.

I really wouldn't spend a lot of capital on Gordon or any other FA WR. A solid LG and roll with it on offense. It's the defense that needs the lion's share of resources right now.

Mid level FA’s I’m interested in:

Richard Rodgers TE
Trey Burton TE
Anthony Fasano TE
DJ Fluker G
Xavier Sua’Filo G
Paul Richardson WR
John Brown WR
Donte Moncrief WR
Trent Murphy OLB
Aaron Lynch OLB
Mike Pennel DL
Quinton Dial DL
Ricky Jean Francois DL
Arthur Jones DL
Zach’s Brown ILB
Sean Spence ILB
Davon House CB
Vontae Davis CB
Morgan Burnett S
Kenny Vaccaro S
Tre Boston S

Why Colquitt?

You can't cut a guy that's not under contract

OLB Attaochu and S Phillips from the Chargers. Attaochu is a 3-4 lb and Phillips would be an upgrade over Murray.

Or the MVP...

Sleep well, I'll kill them all...

:spock:

Resign KPL, Wilson, Fulton, Nunez-Roches

Colquitt walks. Some team will overpay for him, and it hopefully wont be KC. Could take a home discount but hes old and probably wont get a big deal regardless of where he goes, hes still one of the best in the league so might as well go to the highest bidder before he has to hang them up eventually.

Sherman walks. Hes a fullback, you can sign a FB anywhere. Hes a good one, but the amount of time he sees on the field should only warrant peanut$. Need to spend that money elsewhere.

Release DJ unless he restructures his deal. He can still play, but his role on the field should be reduced, as should his salary, should he remain a Chief in 2018. I doubt DJ would settle for this being that hes more than paid his dues as being apart of this shitstain of a franchise for as long as he has. But ultimately its a business and the Chiefs need cap relief. So I imagine DJ will probably be released.

Release Hali. Great career for KC, but he probably shouldve hung them up after last season.

Trade Alex Smith. Id be surprised if KC got a 2nd out of him, but Buf, Jax, Arz, Cle, Nyj, Den, possibly Was all have QB issues, although its unlikely Chiefs trade him to a division rival. Itd be nice to work out a pkg deal with CLE and Josh Gordon. High risk high reward player but if he pans out and isnt a headache and stays on the field etc., Gordon and Hill would be ****ing deadly with Kelce and Hunt, Wilson would make a decent slot guy with that personnel group assuming he catches the ball.

Release Bailey. Not sure youd get any draft pick for him with only 1 yr left on his deal, time to move on from him, hes really JAG who makes a lot more than hes worth, Id release him


FA
QB-Chase Daniel....knows system, coaches, personnel, etc. This is a no-brainer.

CB-Aqib Talib....hed cost a bit assuming hes released, but it would be money well spent, this teams secondary was exploited big time last season when the pass rush wasnt there. Peters Talib and Berry (assuming hes back to former self) all ballhawking the field? **** yes.

A guard would be nice, and/or a DL. Need help in the trenches, this team really needs to have Morse play guard and Fulton at center. It would be nice to upgrade depth in this area.

Id look for OLB or CB early in the draft, or as early as they can if available. ILB and OL depth needed. Maybe another safety, depth needed in many areas.

Agreed.

This whole thing is a joke, right. Talib is the one that Crabtree hates. Talib is the one that yanked his chain off and Crabtree was throwing wild punches at.

haven't heard anything last year but the year before crabtree wouldn't even talk about peters on the top 100. They have a beef of some sorts over something

The three can learn to get along for the sake of the team. Chiefs 2018!!!

I really don't care if the Chiefs sign any of their free agents, but I'd do:

RFA Tender Rakeem Nunez-Roches
ERFA Tender Terrance Smith
UFA Re-Sign Kevin Pierre-Louis to a backup deal, maybe 3 for 3.5 per type of deal
UFA Re-Sign Jarvis Jenkins to a backup deal, maybe 2 for 1.0 per type of deal or 1 year

In FA, I'd look at the following (not meant as go get them all, but I've *'d the ones I'm most interested in).

Andrew Norwell, LG (CAR)*
Trey Burton, TE (PHI)
Allen Robinson, WR (JAX)*
Austin Davis, QB (SEA)
Tom Savage, QB (HOU)
Blaine Gabbert, QB (ARZ)
Zach Line, FB (NO)
Jaron Brown, WR (ARZ)
Jordan Matthews, WR (BUF)
John Brown, WR (ARZ)
James Hurst, OG/RT (BAL)
Jack Mewhort, OG (IND)*
Connor Barwin, EDGE (LAR)
Denico Autry, EDGE (OAK)
Jeremiah Attaochu, EDGE (LAC)
DaQuan Jones, DE (TEN)*
Beau Allen, DT (PHI)
Mike Pennel, DT (NYJ)*
Quinton Dial, DT (GB)*
Todd Davis, ILB (DEN)
Preston Brown, ILB (BUF)
Anthony Hitchens, ILB (DAL)*
Christian Jones, ILB (CHI)*
Aaron Colvin, SCB (JAX)
T.J. Carrie, CB (OAK)*
Baushaud Breeland, CB (WAS)*
Malcolm Butler, CB (NE)*
Tre Boston, FS (LAC)*
Bradley McDougald, SS/FS (SEA)
Kenny Vaccaro, FS (NO)*

RFA's depending on tender:
Justin Coleman, CB (SEA)

I want Fulton and Wilson back but you gotta figure Fulton will get a reasonably big contract and Bert could cost somehwere near 5mil per.

Talib is the ball Hawking corner we miss. The influence on Peters thing is stupid with the leadership of Berry coming back it would off set it. Get Talib figure out a pass rush that's a super bowl defense with Hunt/Ware limiting the amount Mahomes has to throw.

Agree with all UFA re-signs except Sherman.

Need Talib on a cheap contract, a DT to replace Logan, and a quality #2 TE.

Talib is set to get 12mil this year, don't think he's going to take anything under 10mil. Which if we are going to pay that might as well go after butler since he's younger. Not to mention we have to pay peters in a few years.

If talib would take 6-7 a year then yes I think for sure you go after him but I don't think he will.

I wouldn’t be looking at a high paying corner unless you plan to let Peters walk.

Beef up the front 7 and grab a corner in the draft

Yeah, that's why I say that the Talib thing would need to be for the right price for me to feel good about it. I'd say he'd cost $9-10M a year though. That's a little rich probably.

We need to nail 4-5 mid-tier FAs.

No room to sign anyone beyond veteran minimum deals unless Alex is gone.

I know it's foolish to spend this much on two safeties but can you imagine our defensive backfield if we signed Earl Thomas to pair with Eric Berry?

Yeah yeah I know. It was only a stupid fantasy

With how much nickel and dime we play, might as well get someone back there who is actually just a bit useful.

We need another 2013 offseason.

The Chiefs greatly benefited from having the #1 Waiver Priority for the first three weeks of the 2013 season.

Veach is behind the 8 Ball this offseason but I think he'll be able to add some talent.

Probably more feasible than Talib or any big name corner, money wise. But... he wants to be a Cowboy.

I almost hope we can try to get a player for Alex if possible. If we can get a quality pass rusher or CB in a trade, I’m all for it.

While we're at it, lets grab Talib if he gets cut.

Berry/Thomas
Talib/Peters/Nelson.

with the right cuts, trade alex, and restructure a guy I think this would be doable. atleast money wise. And it would be the dream squad. that back end would be a nightmare to throw against.

Need some guys to collapse the pocket. All the secondary in the world wont help if guys cant get after the quarterback within 5 seconds.

If they go that route then i'd dedicate draft resources to shoring up the pass rush. Receiver will have to wait yet another season.

Trade Alex, DJ and Hali retire/cut. That gives you $30 million in cap space to work with. Remove around $4-5 million for the rookie contracts and you've got $25 million to play with.

We absolutely need a couple of defensive linemen, a couple of OLBs and a couple of CBs.

I would prefer to grab one of each from the draft and sign one of each in FA.

Agreed. unless when we trade alex we can get a DT or rusher instead of picks. Then aslong as they aren't going to break the bank.

Receivers I think will be fine, we definitely need another TE, but Hill, Conley, Wilson, Robinson, and Kemp will be fine I think.

Our receivers are good. I'd have no problem rolling with Hill, Conley, Robinson, Chesson and Kemp if we don't bring back Wilson. And I almost think that TEs are fine. Kelce is obviously good and Harris has shown flashes with Mahomes at QB. We can bring in whatever at the third TE position. Maybe Amaro shows something in TC.

We need to go defensive....and then defense again. And then defense again. We need multiple pass rushers, multiple CBs and multiple defensive linemen.

Ah i forgot about Chesson. I prefer them to keep wilson, as much as his face bugs me I think he's a good position receiver, he seems to come up big in some instances and mahomes seemed to really like him.

100% agree but also think we need a new LG

I'm of the mindset that we need to re-sign Fulton, start him at center and move Morse to LG. I'm sure the chances of that happening are .00000001% though.

Fisher - Morse - Fulton - LDT - Schwartz.

That's an above average starting offensive line.

I definitely prefer fulton at center over morse, I don't think morse has the size for LG, I thought he was small for center but could be athletic, To me it doesn't seem like he has the size or nastiness to be LG.

I'd prefer to start all over at LG, take the biggest, nastiest dude available in the draft and Morse can back up Fulton

I'd rather go after an Allen Robinson than bring Wilson back. If we're going to sign a WR, may as well upgrade because I doubt Wilson is all that much better than the other guys currently on the roster.

Dude is going top 10 but I'd love to have Quenton Nelson out of Notre Dame.

6'5 330 with a scouting report that says things like 'built like a house, moves like a ballerina'... count me in

http://thedraftster.com/2018-nfl-dra...uenton-nelson/

Nelson would be awesome, but we have no chance

Will Hernandez would be a hell of a consolation prize. I also like Isaiah Wynn and Billy Price.

Pipe dream is trading with Arizona for #15 and taking Roquan Smith.

You think they'd use #15 on Smith? I'm not sure. His draft stock is going to sway heavily on his measurements, because he checks out on tape.

If we were to pick that high, I hope there's an edge rusher or corner who can really play to take.

6'1, 225 last I saw. A tad undersized, but the way he was making plays in both CFB playoff games leads me to believe it won't really matter.

If the Chiefs had #15 that pick would probably be a CB as they're going to give Dee Ford another year.

They never used Ragland on third downs very often, so I suppose we might need a 3-down ILB. Wouldn't complain.

Some of the best defenses get built on dominant ILB duos.

The question is, do Eligwe and KPL compete for that job or do they just view them as backups.

The LG from Notre Dame might be the only OL I've seen that I would legit say is on a HOF path. It's crazy to say, but he's ****ing unreal.

If they get back in the first round and were at 15 and Roqoun (sp?) Smith is there, I'd ****ing sprint to make that pick. He's phenomenal.

I agree, great fit.

I agree. I'm fine not upgrading at those positions if it means we are fixing OLB, CB, and one of DL/ILB. Could potentially use a G.

Agree about WR’s. I want to sign Wilson though because he’s a good slot receiver and won’t cost much.

Sign a TE in FA, sign 3-4 FA’s on defense, use our 2nd and 1st/2nd (whatever we get for Alex) on non-developmental defensive players that can help immediately, use our 3rd and 4th rd picks on OL and another receiver.

All of this... sure wouldnt have said it last year, but yes on Wilson for sure, he took a big step this year and became a solid role player

Dee Ford is getting released and I think it's a primary reason why he went on IR.

His 2018 contract is guaranteed for injury so it would be silly to release him

I bet we sign Chase Daniel. Assuming of course that we trade Alex and move forward with Mahomes as the man.

We could definitely use a guard. I know people don't like to pick "fatties" but we sucked ass in the trenches too often.

I wanted me some big beefeaters at G but they aren't there.

Mr. Dane, are we sure about that? I wasn't sure if an option year was guaranteed.

The Chiefs picked up his 5th year option which is guaranteed for injury.

He ended the 2017 season on IR so if they cut him now, they'd owe his full salary.

If he's available to participate in Training Camp, he can be cut without any issues, unless, once again, he's injured and if so, his salary is guaranteed.

Andrew Norwell would be a phenomenal addition. 2017 All Pro, knows the system, played for Rivera.

I'd take a look at Quinton Spain, 27 years old, LG for the Titans. He wouldn't be a huge an upgrade as Norwell but would definitely be far better than anyone currently on the Chiefs roster.

Most of the other options are old or injury prone (Jack Mewhort, for one).

So TC is the earliest he can be cut if healthy? Who has the call to determine he is cleared or not?

He's eligible for the chopping block the moment he can pass a physical.

When I look at the offense, that guard spot is my top priority. I want Veach to make it a top priority to give Patrick a good line every single year. The weapons are there, and I personally believe he will always make the receivers look a little better than they are.

I'd be psyched about Norwell.

Right, but they can't cut him now or if he's injured heading into the year.

I would be fine re-signing Fulton and moving Morse to LG. I have serious doubts about Morse holding up at Center for 16 games. He’s more natural at Guard.

To your point thought, LG has to get an upgrade this offseason.

We aren’t getting Norwell guys come on. The guy is going to get a $60 million deal averaging $12 million a year.

Now Quinton Spain? That’s more likely.

It's been a priority during Reid's tenure.

Jeff Allen, Donald Stephenson, Zach Fulton, Ben Grubbs, Jah Reid, Parker Ehinger, Bryan Witzmann and probably others I can't even remember haven't been able to produce at an even average level for the position.

That's why, IMO, Veach should target Andrew Norwell, which would stabilize the offensive line for at least 3 more seasons, if not more.

He's their best possible addition in Free Agency, IMO, because they're not paying for a Top Tier CB or OLBer.

TRR probably made the most logical point of just moving Morse to guard and retaining Fulton, which allows you to keep continuity. Morse's athleticism has always made him a good fit at guard, but until now the opportunity to make the switch hadn't really presented itself. I think he'd be a great puller and trapper.

Why not?

The Chiefs can give him a nice signing bonus and backload his contract. Houston will be coming off the books very soon, so it would be very doable.

I just think they need to stop ****ing around with late rounders, trades and UDFA's and get a mother****er that's going to be a badass for 4 years.