You must have forgotten they were the Cleveland Browns

Browns have way more talent than people realize. They are also loaded on the offensive line. They need a QB because Kizer is so bad that it doesn't matter about their weapons.

I'll leave this here.

You can even add a few more after Johnny.

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I don't understand the Dorsey hate.. The way he helped turn this franchise around is pretty impressive. Sure we are having a bad year this year by Reid standards but 6-6 isn't horrible. It's a long way from 2-14 which is what we were before Dorsey/Reid got here. We've consistently made the playoffs with Dorsey/Reid and he set us up nicely for the future with Hunt/Mahomes picks. Brown fans would kill for that.

You also have to remember it was his first time being a GM so of course he is going to make his fair share of mistakes. But hey that's how you learn.

God forbid our roster doesn't have a Pro Bowler at every position.

You sound like you'd date an ugly girl but she has a nice personality so you give her the benefit of the doubt.

A post by you in another thread giving Tyreel a shoutout

Nearly 200 yards last week.

Can score ANY given play.

Looking at last years highlights, he was responsible for so many game changing plays, the Denver game being my favorite.

He owns our division with special teams TDs against SD, Denver, and Oakland last year.

I'll quit jerking him off but man this guy went from 5th round pick to #1 WR in his second year.

Now tell me who drafted Tyreek?

Which team will be better off 4 years from now?

The Chiefs, with King Andy running the franchise and roster? Or the Browns, with Dorsey as a full GM this time?

It depends on Mahomes really. If he works out, the Chiefs will be better off. Otherwise, I'm not sure that the Browns won't be ahead of us.

Outside of the QB, would you rather be in the spot of a descending team with cap issues and aging/oft-injured key players - or one with picks, cap space, and nowhere to go but up?

Their roster ain't bad. No doubt passing on wentz, mahomes, and Watson, and trading down to do it, is a fireable offense. The Chiefs never lucked into a top tier prospect falling into the laps. The browns did twice and punted on it. It was a moneyball ego trip. But lucky for Dorsey it will lead to tons of picks and a ton of cap space. He gets to play with monopoly money for a while.

Something that does concern me... Wouldn't be surprised at all if someone on our coaching staff gets poached. Nagy or toub, I'd have to think, will end up on Indy or Cleveland. Maybe both.

Dorsey wants Mahomes. Remember the draft room and Clarks reaction?


Then Clark leaves a voice mail for Dorsey...

I wonder what would happen on CP if Andy traded Mahomes to Cleveland and signed Alex to an extension.

You don't remember him being handed several pro bowlers then ruining our cap with shit contracts leading us to the shit on our roster and having 3rd stringers having to start. His skills are way over blown. Ford is a bust. Peter's is a nut job and on his way out the door. That's a waste of two 1s. Hali Beng kept is a disaster. His only good things are Hunt, Hill and Mahomes. Thats four years and it's not enough. His overall roster is shit that he left here.

You shut up right now!

The wealth is there.

CP? The entire city would burn down Arrowhead.
But PM2 is Andys pick. Dont be silly

200 times this. If that happened Clark Hunt should be ran out of town and beat the hell up.

Good thing none of the Organizations past decisions make you want to scratch your head...

Yeah, I know that everything printed in reputable media says that Reid always had control over the roster during their time working together -

But people on CP are always saying that the collective body language of Reid, Dorsey, and Hunt in the draft room seemed to say Dorsey was more responsible for Mahomes' selection.

It's unlikely either way, I was just imaging the meltdown to end all meltdowns

It would be epic

If he wants a QB, Rosen or Allen will be there. Besides, Veach is all in on Mahomes

He has DAT returning kickoffs. Brilliant move.

Have you joined BrownsPlanet yet?
What an awesome end to Shittys career. Booed off the field in Cleveland by a bunch of men wearing dog mask LMAO

Is John Dorsey the new Sonny Weaver Jr?

More and more it's becoming clearer that he'll ride off with Alex once he's traded.

John Dorsey agrees to become Browns GM
 

Listening to Cleveland stations this morning & sone of them are saying Drew Lock is a better version of Mahomes(they call him Mahomez).

FYI: Dorsey's presser is at 10am today. I'd assume the NFLN will show & the Cleveland station is carrying it too.

so legit they cant even win a game. The ol okey doke. The pool players hustle.

If Drew lock comes out hes gonna get destroyed in the NFL

They'll have 3 or 4 seasons with Alex of going to the wildcard round and losing to build experience while he develops

I can see upside in this

Found this gem on a Browns site.

Hey - why are you guys posting old news about Browns firing their GM from 2001? I mean 2004....I mean 2008....I mean 2009....I mean 2012....I mean 2013....I mean 2015.

If there's one thing you can set Santa's watch to - it's the Browns firing GM's, firing HC and benching QB's. INSANELY STABLE.

Tony Grossi said he fully expects Alex in Cleveland next season.

Good ****ing God, do you just pull shit out of your ass and post it?

It’s been reported that Veach had major interest in Mahomes and brought him to
Reid’s attention.

No one at Texas Tech, including Mahomes or Kliff Kingsbury, ever met with Dorsey.

Reid was the contact.

Dorsey had no role in scouting Mahomes.

Dorsey's press conference...

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I guess Dorsey wasn't fired from the Chiefs because he was going to Green Bay afterall.

Dorsey is the GM though. He has final say on all draft picks. Whether it is fair or not he gets credit for the pick.

:facepalm:

**** you.

That is a hilarious thought.

Can you imagine how depressing Browns boards must be? Holy shit.

I'm sure tigger will fit right in.

Truth, the GM gets all the credit and all the blame for the draft picks they make. Even though every pick has input from multiple people.

If Reid and Veach wanted Mahomes and Dorsey didn't they still would have gotten Mahomes. Dorsey apparently made it a point to have control with the Browns which means he prob didn't have THAT much here

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Dorsey was fired because Reid wanted all the power. That's also why the Chiefs hire a Reid guy to replace Dorsey. Veach will do whatever Reid tells him to do. My opinion.

If Mahomes is great they will credit Veach and Reid, if he sucks then they will blame Dorsey. It is what it is.

That's stupid.

Andy Reid is the one who wanted Alex Smith in Kansas City, not Dorsey.

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Goddamn John. It's a press conference. FFS wear a suit and tie, not casual clothes for a Sunday afternoon.

This was a big part of why he was fired. He wasn't organized, wasn't professional and he was way too laid back.

I hope Dorsey turns the Browns around and they start dominating the AFC North.

I understand where you are coming from Dane but fair or not that is how it works. Scouts bring their reports to the GM and he makes the decision. No one person should get credit for any draft pick but minimizing the influence a GM has on a draft pick is stupid. They have the final say.

Me too. Dorsey seems like a great guy and Browns fans deserve some success for the s**tshow they've been watching for years.

Your speculation at best.

Amen.

The owner says that Dorsey's #1 job is to find a QB... if I'm in his shoes and I hear that, I'm not only drafting a future QB but I'm getting that stable bridge in the meantime just in case... hello Alex

So it wasn't about GB?

Wow.

Does that mean Clark's nuts have dropped?...

RG3 + Cousins...:D

I think Kizer can be a good QB. He should have sat like Mahomes though. I think you bring in Alex and work with Kizer in the background.

I don't think you're necessarily wrong, but if the owner is coming out and saying in the introductory press conference that your number one job is to find a QB, that is far from an endorsement for who is already there.

Draft Rosen, Jackson, or Darnold. Trade for Smith if you don't want to throw them out there for 2018.

I would love if the Chiefs traded Pat. Because then I could just walk away from the franchise forever.

I'd probably become a Browns fan, that's how pissed off I would be.

However, there is a better chance of hell freezing over this afternoon.

I don’t disagree, but I think it was Hunt who soured on Dorsey first. The huge contract extensions to Houston and Berry now look excessive given those players’ availability. The Fisher extension, the LDT deal and the Maclin signing also cost a lot of cap, and for what? Regular season respectability but still, no playoff success.

I think Reid was put off by the Maclin release and how it reportedly went down, and saw his in to make a power grab.

I think both men are learning their lessons. Dorsey maybe gained an appreciation for the coach/player relationship and has to re-evaluate some of the contracts he doled out in KC. I thought he was exceptional at building depth, but maybe was more tentative in how he dealt with acquiring/maintaining elite talent.

Reid’s loyalty is costing him this season. Gone are Tommy Brasher and David Culley. He replaced them with his son, and Greg Lewis respectively - loyalty hires. Safe hires. Ones that will not question his process, and ones that are not of the highest quality. Inadequacies with Heck and Sutton continue to show, but yet they are not held accountable.
Veach is an Andy yes man, and I fear the shortcomings of both Dorsey and Reid have combined to leave Veach with a mess he won’t be able to clean up anytime soon: no draft capital, marginal cap space and facing a lacklustre free agent class. A defense in need of a major overhaul. A talented malcontent nearing the end of his rookie deal. Underperforming “stars”. Bad personnel fits for the scheme employed.

I hope Mahomes is related to Jesus, because the Chiefs will need a miracle to be relevant moving forward...

I don't think Cleveland can afford to start a rookie QB next year. They need someone who is expereinced to get them out of this hell hole. It's not a favorable position to put a rookie QB in.

Let Dorsey and Alex help that team get to mediocrity the first year then start a rookie QB.

Give us any 1 of your 3 second round picks and I'll take it...

People seem to forget that it was Andy who wanted Smith in KC, not necessarily Dorsey.

Dear lord, you are ****ing stupid.

Yeah, I'd do that in a heartbeat

Geez, the Chiefs are going to be worse than the Browns now.

All of Missouri, Kansas, and some parts of Arkansas would as well...

We're worse.

They just lose and don't tempt us. They keep it honest.

KC finds a new way to break our hearts every year. EVERY YEAR.

This guy is clueless



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Dorsey is a slow-moving guy though so the Browns will need to show some patience. Dorsey will want to improve slowly by building through the draft.

A crucial decision on which Coach Dorsey hires.

Watching the Browns kick the crap out of the Steelers and Ravens each year would be glorious.

ROFL

Good luck with that in Cleveland...

ROFL

Changing pro teams just because of a player... pfhhhh.... I can't believe anyone could ever do this. Nope. No way. :harumph:

:p

Well, they do have like 50 draft picks over the next couple years....

He propably didn't need the lotion and the kleenex....

And all of them will have the best 40 times and bench numbers in the combine...

SPARQ!

Sarcasm, bud.... I'm stuck with the Chiefs as long as I live. For better or worse.

FYP

Half the city does't have any idea who PMll is and wouldn't know if he were standing next to them at Starbucks.

Sorry, but fact.

My bad.

Point is the Dorsey-boys will be combine-commando's...

Let's not act like John Dorsey is some kind of Al Davis clone. He does like stats and also guys who show up strong in the Combine,Senior bowl etc. He also likes guys that know how to play football(Kelce,Hill,Peters,Morse,Jones etc)

The whole ****ing state knows who 2pm is.

You really don't understand the gravity of that pick and the person picked when we traded up...

That will soon change.

John Dorsey is a conservative man who's an Al Davis clone when the draft comes around...

Al Davis was a guy who drafted the fasted guy even if he couldn't play football for a decade straight.

Dorsey is just a guy who thinks that speed and quickness help good football players transition to the NFL easier.

Btw I though Veach is the guy who made all the picks and Dorsey was just a figurehead? If that is true then Veach is the Al Davis clone.