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Best22 08-12-2017 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 13007664)
Of course it is, but that's not the point.

The point is.. and as expected.. the hypocrisy.

Posting numbers like QBR and completion % for 1 QB is invalid...

Yet doing the same for another QB is somehow valid.



Let me know if you are still too confused to understand the point.
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Originally Posted by cmdrzman (Post 13007537)
LOL- Watson made throws like that all the time at Clemson.. Do you even football?
Why are you cheering for Watson? Do you want the Texans to end your season again?ROFL

Let's face it. Alex owns Oakland more than any team in the league. Could you imagine how bad things would get for the Raiders if Mahomes is even slightly better than Smith?

BigCatDaddy 08-12-2017 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by CrowbarMan (Post 13007665)
Yes. Because he knows the playbook. Mahomes is long term better upside but near term lots of mistakes.
Foles awas serviceable as a rookie with Reid and has a much worse supporting cast.

milkman 08-12-2017 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13007663)
If Watson threw that ball, it's a pick. At best, the defender knocks it away for an incompletion.

Idiot.
That pass didn't require arm strength.

It was a touch pass, which I believe that Watson is capable of throwing.

notorious 08-12-2017 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 13007670)
The Chiefs have invested a ton of time and money into Bray because he "looks" like a QB. Now they have a real future Franchise QB and need to divert that training to PM2. Forget about Bray.

If Bray holds the number 2 spot after that performance- it will only be hurting PM2's development. Hopefully, they won't be that recalcitrant.
I think they will keep Mahomes at 3 so that the pressure isn't there to get him on the field when Smith goes down.

Halfcan 08-12-2017 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 13007664)
Of course it is, but that's not the point.

The point is.. and as expected.. the hypocrisy.

Posting numbers like QBR and completion % for 1 QB is invalid...

Yet doing the same for another QB is somehow valid.



Let me know if you are still too confused to understand the point.
Yes, I understand the point. You are saying you are a hypocrite because you spent countless post talking about Alex's meager stats while failing to even acknowledge any of his short comings. That has been your whole argument- endlessly.

So when a Rookie comes in and best his stats across the board in his first game- you want to change the playing field. :shake:

RealSNR 08-12-2017 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Black Bob (Post 13007602)
His arm strength and accuracy are good enough.
No, they're not LMAO

Great job, Watson. A 2nd team defense who has never seen you play in the NFL got carved up because of your ability to avoid pressure.

That's all Watson's got going for him right now. Starting defenses will figure him out and make him look like an utter chump if he starts immediately in his rookie year.

At best, we can expect him to plateau early in his career. The Texans are going to find that that just getting slightly better QB play than what they had with Matt Schaub for years isn't going to work. And that's highly questionable that Watson will ever be as good as Schaub was for a time.

Like I said, Watson's ceiling is Doug Flutie. Good enough to get a couple winning seasons out of the Buffalo Bills and lose in the playoffs. Otherwise, he should consider Canada. Seriously.

RealSNR 08-12-2017 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 13007675)
That pass didn't require arm strength.

It was a touch pass, which I believe that Watson is capable of throwing.
A touch pass in a tight window?

KChiefs1 08-12-2017 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by JDKinman (Post 13007208)
Mahomes had Jace Amaro as a go-to tight-end at Tech. What I wouldn't give for him to have a Tony Gonzales in KC. . .



JD

Travis Kelce

SAUTO 08-12-2017 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13007685)
A touch pass in a tight window?
I think he's talking about the td

Sandy Vagina 08-12-2017 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 13007680)
you want to change the playing field. :shake:
This is precisely what YOU just did. :hmmm:

Halfcan 08-12-2017 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 13007679)
I think they will keep Mahomes at 3 so that the pressure isn't there to get him on the field when Smith goes down.
Mahomes already has pressure he puts on himself to fix his mistakes. He wants to be great. Keeping him at number 3 when has outplayed Bray in camp and thoroughly showed he was far superior in the first game makes no sense.

PM2 should be the backup and Bray should be working at Buffalo Wild Wings.

milkman 08-12-2017 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13007685)
A touch pass in a tight window?
That ball was a floater.

He laid it in over the defender, and put it only where Kemp could make a play.

No mustard, at all.

notorious 08-12-2017 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 13007692)
Mahomes already has pressure he puts on himself to fix his mistakes. He wants to be great. Keeping him at number 3 when has outplayed Bray in camp and thoroughly showed he was far superior in the first game makes no sense.

PM2 should be the backup and Bray should be working at Buffalo Wild Wings.
I can't argue with any of this. Mahomes is better, and it's obvious.

Alex breaks almost every season, and Reid knows this. If Bray goes out there it's going to be a trainwreck. I don't know why he is still around.

KChiefs1 08-12-2017 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 13007486)
Looked good and will improve by leaps and bounds. I say over and under is 8 games in before we have a QB controversy.


There won't be a QB controversy this season because Alex is light years ahead of Mahomes in regards to running the team. That first drive was beautifully executed.

RealSNR 08-12-2017 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 13007694)
That ball was a floater.

He laid it in over the defender, and put it only where Kemp could make a play.

No mustard, at all.
SAUTO is right. I'm talking about this play, not the TD:

https://mobile.twitter.com/RealMNchi...119680/photo/1

Halfcan 08-12-2017 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 13007689)
This is precisely what YOU just did. :hmmm:
Pm2 by all accounts- had an admirable first game. The stats back that up since they were better than every other QB and Far better than Stove or Bray.

You used Alex stats, which were average at best- as a tool to make his performances on the field and especially in the playoff game- much better than what everyone saw with their own eyes. You purposely over dramatized his stats to back up your fairy tale wet dreams.

Do you see the difference? :hmmm:

milkman 08-12-2017 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13007705)
SAUTO is right. I'm talking about this play, not the TD:

https://mobile.twitter.com/RealMNchi...119680/photo/1
Okay, yeah.

That play shows off his arm, and accuracy.

Halfcan 08-12-2017 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 13007697)
I can't argue with any of this. Mahomes is better, and it's obvious.

Alex breaks almost every season, and Reid knows this. If Bray goes out there it's going to be a trainwreck. I don't know why he is still around.
Andy is going to make PM2 earn his way- from #3 to the starter- and I respect that. So far, besides a few ints in camp where he was testing the speed of the defenses and lost- he has been pretty amazing. The kid is so talented that all of sudden Alex is stepping up his game too.

Bray had his shot to keep holding the clipboard and played like...well Bray. Who is really surprised? PM2 will learn a lot from Alex on how to manage a game and be a professional. If Alex does get his noggin scrambled again- I think Mahomes will play at least good enough not to lose, just like Alex does.

milkman 08-12-2017 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 13007736)
You guys are talking about different plays
Got that figured out already.

But thanks for playing.

SAUTO 08-12-2017 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 13007739)
Got that figured out already.

But thanks for playing.
I was just trying to help out, saw it had been addressed and deleted my post. Sorry.

milkman 08-12-2017 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 13007750)
I was just trying to help out, saw it had been addressed and deleted my post. Sorry.
Just ****ing with ya.

cmdrzman 08-12-2017 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13007705)
SAUTO is right. I'm talking about this play, not the TD:

https://mobile.twitter.com/RealMNchi...119680/photo/1
Oh for fucks sake.. did you just start watching football.. I've seen 50+ QB's the last 2 years make that same throw.. get out more and watch some other teams...

Chiefshrink 08-12-2017 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by cmdrzman (Post 13007523)
C is an average score.. which is what is expected from a rookie QB.. Not bad, but not great.. missed on a couple bad throws and his 1st throw was to short... That probably gets picked in the regular season-

Threw some screens, nothing to get excited about- hit a couple nice ones across the middle- Took a bad sack, Didnt see him take a snap from center and setup to pass.. Probably a good thing.. I would have done the same as Reid.. let him take some snaps from center and hand the ball off.. makes sense.. Andy's doing the right thing...

But yeah- avg to good start- Coulda been worse, and I've seen worse from rookie QB's

He's got a long way to go but he seems to have the skills for a coach to fix-
BINGO !!

But I would have given him a B minus just because he is so much more raw than Trub and Watson from under center and the play calling and penalties made it difficult to establish any kind of rhythm for him.

His pocket awareness needs to be a tad quicker though because there were two other times where he escaped that he made plays had he been going against a No.1 D that those would have been sacks and to someone else's point that TD pass is a pick against a No.1 D.

But overall I liked what I saw to someone's else's point about his "poise" that AR is rubbing off on him by not trying make more of a play than what it is.

cmdrzman 08-12-2017 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by cmdrzman (Post 13007604)

Had more to do with play calling than anything... What you SHOULD have seen is a QB that when protection broke down around the goal line, kept his cool, looked at several options, scrambled out of trouble, and threw to the endzone and put the ball BOTH times where only his guy could catch it. THAT means something.
Josh Freeman, RGIII, Johnnie 8-ball and Kordell frekin Stewart did the same thing in their short NFL career...

That sh*t don't work in the NFL

Mahomes keeps that sh*t up and trying to big12 sandlot his way through the NFL he'll be punch drunk by his 2nd year...

stevieray 08-12-2017 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 13007607)
I disagree that I am being harsh on him. I simply said I was not impressed but I think that he has a ton of potential. That doesn't mean I thought he sucked.

I am not hoping Mahomes fails. As a Chiefs fan I hope he turns out to be the next Brady but at the same time I'm not going get excited just because he is a 1st rd draft pick. I want to see something that impresses me before I get too excited and I have that right. I didn't see anything last night that got me that excited. That's just being honest.

To be fair that's to be expected it's his first preseason game and he barely played. He could have a bad first year and still turn out to be great so I'm not concerned at all. I'm going to be patient with him.

Just because he is a rookie doesn't mean he isn't allowed to get criticized.
...many people on this forum put way too much stock into the play of the QB. They think in total absolutes. False expectations.

...some are way too wrapped up in it. and so it goes.

Reerun_KC 08-12-2017 10:21 AM
LMAO

Best22 08-12-2017 10:30 AM
Why are people overlooking that Smith nearly threw an interception himself (pass to Harris)?

Mahomes threw a pass where only his teammate could get it. Mahomes was the highest rated passer on the day for a reason

RealSNR 08-12-2017 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by cmdrzman (Post 13007759)
Oh for ****s sake.. did you just start watching football.. I've seen 50+ QB's the last 2 years make that same throw.. get out more and watch some other teams...
I said plenty of QBs make that throw. What I'm saying is that Watson CAN'T. He doesn't have the ball velocity.

Rasputin 08-12-2017 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 13007766)
BINGO !!

But I would have given him a B minus just because he is so much more raw than Trub and Watson from under center and the play calling and penalties made it difficult to establish any kind of rhythm for him.

His pocket awareness needs to be a tad quicker though because there were two other times where he escaped that he made plays had he been going against a No.1 D that those would have been sacks and to someone else's point that TD pass is a pick against a No.1 D.

But overall I liked what I saw to someone's else's point about his "poise" that AR is rubbing off on him by not trying make more of a play than what it is.
Again this is not fair to say because he would have had first team blocking for him and that would have balanced out playing against first team.

Chiefshrink 08-12-2017 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13007237)
Trubisky was pretty good, though he looked a lot more erratic and less confident than Mahomes. He made big plays and didn't screw up, though.
Contradicting statement here. Trubisky looked like an All Pro QB who made big plays and made good decisions. How did "Bisk" look more erratic and less confident than Mahomes making big plays and good decisions not screwing up ? :shrug::facepalm:

"Bisk" runs faster than Mahomes(Alex Smith speed) and is very raw as well but just as athletic and could be that Favre type of player in the future from what I saw maybe not from an arm perspective but still pretty impressive arm that is still evolving mind you. Both guys are raw in different ways.

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13007237)
one to Gehrig.
Agreed.

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13007237)
and one to Robinson (again, called back on a penalty).
If you are talking about his very first throw; that was under thrown and should have been a TD. That was not a dart !!:rolleyes:


All the top flight rookie QBs so far have played respectable to very good in their first game with "Bisk" playing the best IMHO if you had to rate them. But comparing all of them against each other at this point can be a bit misleading and unfair as well based on many variables. Let's not let our "Collective CP Ego" get caught up in "massive insecurity" by doing the "my new car is shinier than yours" routine.:rolleyes:

Chiefshrink 08-12-2017 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 13007617)
This is a fair stance.
Dadgum right it is !!:thumb:

bigjosh 08-12-2017 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 13007828)
Contradicting statement here. Trubisky looked like an All Pro QB who made big plays and made good decisions. How did "Bisk" look more erratic and less confident than Mahomes making big plays and good decisions not screwing up ? :shrug::facepalm:

"Bisk" runs faster than Mahomes(Alex Smith speed) and is very raw as well but just as athletic and could be that Favre type of player in the future from what I saw maybe not from an arm perspective but still pretty impressive arm that is still evolving mind you. Both guys are raw in different ways.



Agreed.



If you are talking about his very first throw; that was under thrown and should have been a TD. That was not a dart !!:rolleyes:


All the top flight rookie QBs so far have played respectable to very good in their first game with "Bisk" playing the best IMHO if you had to rate them. But comparing all of them against each other at this point can be a bit misleading and unfair as well based on many variables. Let's not let our "Collective CP Ego" get caught up in "massive insecurity" by doing the "my new car is shinier than yours" routine.:rolleyes:

im watching the bears game on NFLN right now. Trubisky looks the part, and puts the ball where it needs to be. That being said he is out there with the 1s right now. And they are getting him some damn YAC and running the ball effectively. Im going to keep watching.

Chiefshrink 08-12-2017 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 13007823)
Again this is not fair to say because he would have had first team blocking for him and that would have balanced out playing against first team.
I am talking about Mahomes "recognition time" in the pocket to realize he is in trouble "sooner". The first team o-line will not be perfect and he will find himself in this same situation. 1st,2nd or 3rd team o-line has nothing to do with "pocket awareness" and knowing when to escape "sooner" is my point.

Chiefshrink 08-12-2017 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by bigjosh006 (Post 13007836)
im watching the bears game on NFLN right now. Trubisky looks the part, and puts the ball where it needs to be. That being said he is out there with the 1s right now. And they are getting him some damn YAC and running the ball effectively. Im going to keep watching.
Keep watching it only gets better.:thumb: Wait till you see his quick out throw near the goal line on the run.:clap:

Rasputin 08-12-2017 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 13007840)
I am talking about Mahomes "recognition time" in the pocket to realize he is in trouble "sooner". The first team o-line will not be perfect and he will find himself in this same situation as well is my point. 1st,2nd or 3rd team o-line has nothing to do with "pocket awareness" and knowing when to escape "sooner" is my point.
Fine, but he will figure out the speed of the game as he plays. His awareness seemed fine for the level of his competition he is going through his progressions imo. Something he is learning.

I'm sure he will be aware when there is a jailbreak to the quarterback to get out of Dodge. Sometimes defenses get to the best quarterbacks in the league.

Chiefshrink 08-12-2017 11:22 AM
"Bisk" will be the starter by mid-season IF not sooner IMHO. The Bears were criticized for moving up one spot to get "Bisk" which now on the surface looks "justified" but what was not "justified" was giving all that $$ to Glennon.:rolleyes:

Bipolar(extreme) moves for sure.;)

bigjosh 08-12-2017 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 13007840)
I am talking about Mahomes "recognition time" in the pocket to realize he is in trouble "sooner". The first team o-line will not be perfect and he will find himself in this same situation. 1st,2nd or 3rd team o-line has nothing to do with "pocket awareness" and knowing when to escape "sooner" is my point.
Im not trying to argue with you. I just dont want to make any generalizations about any of the other QBs without first watching. I saw the Texans game. Watson is what he is.

Chiefshrink 08-12-2017 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 13007846)
Fine, but he will figure out the speed of the game as he plays. His awareness seemed fine for the level of his competition he is going through his progressions imo. Something he is learning.

I'm sure he will be aware when there is a jailbreak to the quarterback to get out of Dodge. Sometimes defenses get to the best quarterbacks in the league.
This is what you meant to say originally. And you are correct.:thumb:

bigjosh 08-12-2017 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 13007850)
"Bisk" will be the starter by mid-season IF not sooner IMHO. The Bears were criticized for moving up one spot to get "Bisk" which now on the surface looks "justified" but what was not "justified" was giving all that $$ to Glennon.:rolleyes:

Bipolar(extreme) moves for sure.;)
Ehh, I mean its the same thing that the Seahawks did with Flynn/Wilson. Every play I see in this bears game Trubisky looks more and more comfortable. He may earn the job by week one if he keeps this shit up.

Chiefshrink 08-12-2017 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by bigjosh006 (Post 13007851)
Im not trying to argue with you. I just dont want to make any generalizations about any of the other QBs without first watching. I saw the Texans game. Watson is what he is.
Oh, I know you are not. It was just flat out fun and pleasantly surprising watching "Bisk" look like an All Pro QB in the NFL that looked like he had been playing for 5yrs plus.:clap:

Chiefshrink 08-12-2017 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by bigjosh006 (Post 13007856)
Ehh, I mean its the same thing that the Seahawks did with Flynn/Wilson. Every play I see in this bears game Trubisky looks more and more comfortable. He may earn the job by week one if he keeps this shit up.
You may very well be right if he continues to play lights out and Glennon continues to "deficate the bed".

bigjosh 08-12-2017 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 13007863)
Oh, I know you are not. It was just flat out fun and pleasantly surprising watching "Bisk" look like an All Pro QB in the NFL that looked like he had been playing for 5yrs plus.:clap:
Its early in their careers, and none of them have played a meaningful snap yet, but you cant help but think that this QB class may be alot more pro ready than all of the "draft experts" at ESPN and NFLN lead on. Watson looked good at least, Trubisky has made some wow plays on the run and into traffic, and even Kizer killed it. It is much needed for the NFL. They need an influx of QBs to keep this league honest. In all reality its been Brady, Brees, Manning, Rogers, and Rothesberger for too damn long. its getting stale.

Chiefshrink 08-12-2017 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 13007641)
It's just one game. Reid see's something in Bray.
Well he definitely did after last night's game that is for sure. Reid obviously can't come out and say it at this point in the competition but "MyHomey" is our No.2 for sure now IMHO.

If AS went down I trust Pat far more than I would Bray to "make plays".:clap:

Chiefshrink 08-12-2017 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by bigjosh006 (Post 13007876)
Its early in their careers, and none of them have played a meaningful snap yet, but you cant help but think that this QB class may be alot more pro ready than all of the "draft experts" at ESPN and NFLN lead on. Watson looked good at least, Trubisky has made some wow plays on the run and into traffic, and even Kizer killed it. It is much needed for the NFL. They need an influx of QBs to keep this league honest. In all reality its been Brady, Brees, Manning, Rogers, and Rothesberger for too damn long. its getting stale.
1000% Agree on all points. This class may rival the '83' class. Who knows ??:shrug:

Bowser 08-12-2017 11:41 AM
Here's the best thing I saw about Mahomes last night -

He always keeps his eyes downfield. He doesn't drop his eyes and focus on the rush if he doesn't have a clean pocket, he keeps scanning down the field, that is what had me most pumped. He made some good throws, a few bad ones, but his ability to not panic and watch to see if anything develops in the face of pressure had me stoked.

Easy 6 08-12-2017 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by bigjosh006 (Post 13007876)
Its early in their careers, and none of them have played a meaningful snap yet, but you cant help but think that this QB class may be alot more pro ready than all of the "draft experts" at ESPN and NFLN lead on. Watson looked good at least, Trubisky has made some wow plays on the run and into traffic, and even Kizer killed it. It is much needed for the NFL. They need an influx of QBs to keep this league honest. In all reality its been Brady, Brees, Manning, Rogers, and Rothesberger for too damn long. its getting stale.
Yep

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 13007882)
Here's the best thing I saw about Mahomes last night -

He always keeps his eyes downfield. He doesn't drop his eyes and focus on the rush if he doesn't have a clean pocket, he keeps scanning down the field, that is what had me most pumped. He made some good throws, a few bad ones, but his ability to not panic and watch to see if anything develops in the face of pressure had me stoked.
Double yep

Chiefshrink 08-12-2017 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 13007882)
Here's the best thing I saw about Mahomes last night -

He always keeps his eyes downfield. He doesn't drop his eyes and focus on the rush if he doesn't have a clean pocket, he keeps scanning down the field, that is what had me most pumped. He made some good throws, a few bad ones, but his ability to not panic and watch to see if anything develops in the face of pressure had me stoked.
:clap::thumb::clap::thumb:

Kurt Warner said when he came from Arena ball he felt the game slowed down for him which makes a lot of sense. To JD's point, I'm sure Mahomes felt right at home last night and the game will slow down for him once he gets a chance to play with the One's to Tatoo's point and his pocket awareness only improves.:D

OnTheWarpath15 08-12-2017 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 13007882)
Here's the best thing I saw about Mahomes last night -

He always keeps his eyes downfield. He doesn't drop his eyes and focus on the rush if he doesn't have a clean pocket, he keeps scanning down the field, that is what had me most pumped. He made some good throws, a few bad ones, but his ability to not panic and watch to see if anything develops in the face of pressure had me stoked.
100% this.

Mahomes showed last night that he can "feel" pressure without taking his eyes off his WR's, while one of Alex's greatest weaknesses is that he stares at the goddamn pressure.

I really wish they'd make a point to get Mahomes as many snaps as possible this PS, because he shouldn't get any in the regular season - unless for some reason Andy thinks he can handle it or our season is in the tank.

BigCatDaddy 08-12-2017 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 13007699)
There won't be a QB controversy this season because Alex is light years ahead of Mahomes in regards to running the team. That first drive was beautifully executed.
Bullshit. Have you watched a game under Reid? He always scripts a great first drive and then the offense goes to shit. Alex isn't light years ahead of my ass.

KChiefs1 08-12-2017 12:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 13007882)
Here's the best thing I saw about Mahomes last night -

He always keeps his eyes downfield. He doesn't drop his eyes and focus on the rush if he doesn't have a clean pocket, he keeps scanning down the field, that is what had me most pumped. He made some good throws, a few bad ones, but his ability to not panic and watch to see if anything develops in the face of pressure had me stoked.

This

bigjosh 08-12-2017 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 13007977)
Bullshit. Have you watched a game under Reid? He always scripts a great first drive and then the offense goes to shit. Alex isn't light years ahead of my ass.
Going back to the eagles, its funny how the offense always comes out on fire then shits its pants.

RealSNR 08-12-2017 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 13007828)
Contradicting statement here. Trubisky looked like an All Pro QB who made big plays and made good decisions. How did "Bisk" look more erratic and less confident than Mahomes making big plays and good decisions not screwing up ? :shrug::facepalm:

"Bisk" runs faster than Mahomes(Alex Smith speed) and is very raw as well but just as athletic and could be that Favre type of player in the future from what I saw maybe not from an arm perspective but still pretty impressive arm that is still evolving mind you. Both guys are raw in different ways.



Agreed.



If you are talking about his very first throw; that was under thrown and should have been a TD. That was not a dart !!:rolleyes:


All the top flight rookie QBs so far have played respectable to very good in their first game with "Bisk" playing the best IMHO if you had to rate them. But comparing all of them against each other at this point can be a bit misleading and unfair as well based on many variables. Let's not let our "Collective CP Ego" get caught up in "massive insecurity" by doing the "my new car is shinier than yours" routine.:rolleyes:
You have no clue what you're talking about, as usual.

Alex Smith gets erratic at times, yes? He's not the coolest cucumber when facing pressure. But he usually makes good choices, or at least choices that won't get him killed. That's what I meant. You can lack confidence and show it visibly and still make big plays. If the refs aren't shit heads on that Conley OPI, Tyler Bray has a pretty damn good TD to crow about. Big play. Was he a confident QB last night? Uhhh...

And I'm not talking about the first throw, dipshit. I know what a ****ing dart is. An arc is not a goddamn dart.

How am I doing the "My new car is shinier than yours" bit? The only QB I'm shitting on is Watson. I said the other guys looked pretty good. I even said a QB other than Mahomes looked the best out of the group of four. How the **** am I not being objective?

KChiefs1 08-12-2017 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 13007977)
Bullshit. Have you watched a game under Reid? He always scripts a great first drive and then the offense goes to shit. Alex isn't light years ahead of my ass.

I know all about that but the first drive was executed perfectly. Alex is light years ahead of understanding Reid's offense. I think you'd be unhappy with the outcome if Mahomes was thrown in there at this point.

BigCatDaddy 08-12-2017 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 13007989)
I know all about that but the first drive was executed perfectly. Alex is light years ahead of understanding Reid's offense. I think you'd be unhappy with the outcome if Mahomes was thrown in there at this point.
I would love to see Mahomes with the first string. Should be fun.

OnTheWarpath15 08-12-2017 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 13007989)
I know all about that but the first drive was executed perfectly. Alex is light years ahead of understanding Reid's offense. I think you'd be unhappy with the outcome if Mahomes was thrown in there at this point.
While Alex certainly has the experience, I didn't see anything in that 1st drive that Mahomes can't handle.

Let's be honest - it was the 37 yarder to Hill, and then a lot of dink/dunk.

If Ware doesn't juke a guy out of his jock on 3rd down late in that drive, it's 3 instead of 7 and people are complaining about the checkdown.

Rasputin 08-12-2017 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by bigjosh006 (Post 13007876)
Its early in their careers, and none of them have played a meaningful snap yet, but you cant help but think that this QB class may be alot more pro ready than all of the "draft experts" at ESPN and NFLN lead on. Watson looked good at least, Trubisky has made some wow plays on the run and into traffic, and even Kizer killed it. It is much needed for the NFL. They need an influx of QBs to keep this league honest. In all reality its been Brady, Brees, Manning, Rogers, and Rothesberger for too damn long. its getting stale.
I'm glad we didn't wait another year as this year class seems up for the challenge and the old guard like Tom Brady and Drew Brees are going hit a wall sooner than later and there will be a change of power in regards to elite quarterbacks.

bigjosh 08-12-2017 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 13008003)
I'm glad we didn't wait another year as this year class seems up for the challenge and the old guard like Tom Brady and Drew Brees are going hit a wall sooner than later and there will be a change of power in regards to elite quarterbacks.
yeah, the power shift will be swift. There are alot of young up and coming QBs in the league right now.

Everybody was so high on Luck, i think he will prove to be a lower middle of the road type QB in this generation when it is all said and done.

Easily 10 young QBs i would take over him right now.

Brady/Brees/Rothlesberger will dissapear into the ether and it cant ****ing come soon enough.

Easy 6 08-12-2017 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by bigjosh006 (Post 13008011)
yeah, the power shift will be swift. There are alot of young up and coming QBs in the league right now.

Everybody was so high on Luck, i think he will prove to be a lower middle of the road type QB in this generation when it is all said and done.

Easily 10 young QBs i would take over him right now.

Brady/Brees/Rothlesberger will dissapear into the ether and it cant ****ing come soon enough.
You're not the only one here who feels Luck is mostly hype

But its a mistaken idea, Indy would be Browns level bad without him... he is a born QB IMO

bigjosh 08-12-2017 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 13008025)
You're not the only one here who feels Luck is mostly hype

But its a mistaken idea, Indy would be Browns level bad without him... he is a born QB IMO
i didnt mean to make it seem like i think he is terrible. But if i were starting a team from scratch today, he would probably be number 10 or 11 on my list right now.

cmdrzman 08-12-2017 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 13007937)
100% this.

Mahomes showed last night that he can "feel" pressure without taking his eyes off his WR's, while one of Alex's greatest weaknesses is that he stares at the goddamn pressure.

I really wish they'd make a point to get Mahomes as many snaps as possible this PS, because he shouldn't get any in the regular season - unless for some reason Andy thinks he can handle it or our season is in the tank.
I dunno about that- That sack wasn't even his blindside and he didnt even see the guy coming... it was one of the weirdest sacks I've ever seen.. the DE even let up on the dude.. in the regular season Mahomes is getting up off the field looking out his earhole-

bigjosh 08-12-2017 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by cmdrzman (Post 13008037)
I dunno about that- That sack wasn't even his blindside and he didnt even see the guy coming... it was one of the weirdest sacks I've ever seen.. the DE even let up on the dude.. in the regular season Mahomes is getting up off the field looking out his earhole-
he was rolling to his left looking in that direction. So traditional blind side no, but he was moving away from the pressure. That play literally just came on NFL network 2 minutes ago. You could see he knew that someone was behind him by the way he brought the ball up to his chest and crouched over.

Chiefshrink 08-12-2017 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13007987)
You have no clue what you're talking about, as usual.
In reference to your post #14 - :rolleyes:


Quote:
Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13007987)
Alex Smith gets erratic at times, yes? That's what I meant.
No you didn't. You said specifically Trubisky looked more erratic and had less confidence than Mahomes. You meant what you said because you were comparing "shiny cars". And you meant that Alex Smith was a rookie as well in your statement then ? :shrug::rolleyes:

Your actual quote: "Trubisky was pretty good, though he looked a lot more erratic and less confident than Mahomes. He made big plays and didn't screw up, though. Not much more you can expect from a rookie".

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13007987)
And I'm not talking about the first throw, dipshit. I know what a ****ing dart is.
Really ? Show me the other dart to Robinson(vid clip) that was called back because of a penalty then. There wasn't. You were talking about his first pass overstating it because you don't have "real football eyes". :rolleyes:

Your actual quote: "and one to Robinson (again, called back on a penalty)".

Now, who has no clue what they are talking about here ?:shrug:

RealSNR 08-12-2017 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 13008051)
In reference to your post #14 - :rolleyes:




No you didn't. You said specifically Trubisky looked more erratic and had less confidence than Mahomes. You meant what you said because you were comparing "shiny cars". And you meant that Alex Smith was a rookie as well in your statement then ? :shrug::rolleyes:

Your actual quote: "Trubisky was pretty good, though he looked a lot more erratic and less confident than Mahomes. He made big plays and didn't screw up, though. Not much more you can expect from a rookie".
You're ****ing serious? You don't know how a QB can look more erratic and have less confidence than another QB while still making big plays and not screwing up?

Is that your hang up? It's either one or the other?

You sound like Sandy right now.

Messier 08-12-2017 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by cmdrzman (Post 13008037)
I dunno about that- That sack wasn't even his blindside and he didnt even see the guy coming... it was one of the weirdest sacks I've ever seen.. the DE even let up on the dude.. in the regular season Mahomes is getting up off the field looking out his earhole-
In the regular season Mahomes isn't standing behind an O-line made up of mostly guys that shouldn't be in the NFL.

cmdrzman 08-12-2017 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 13008059)
In the regular season Mahomes isn't standing behind an O-line made up of mostly guys that shouldn't be in the NFL.

Good point hombre, but I'll see that and raise

"He wont be going against guys that will be cut in 2 weeks"

Rasputin 08-12-2017 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by cmdrzman (Post 13008098)
Good point hombre, but I'll see that and raise

"He wont be going against guys that will be cut in 2 weeks"
You are making a moot point and who cares? When Patrick plays with ones it's all going balance out and he will do just fine. I think he will recognize the level of competition and step it up for himself. That's kind of how it works with these guys.

srvy 08-12-2017 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale (Post 13007197)
I saw Mahomes make plays called back on penalties. Showed the arm. Showed the improvision. I'm okay. He's playing with scrubs.

And apparently all of these guys who won't make the roster suck. Big ****ing surprise.

#2. Let him play with some guys who will actually be on the goddamn team.
When you are listed 3rd string in 1st preseason game for now, this is the o-line you get and dont complain about it. He wont be listed on the depth chart 3rd for long. As cuts are made he will get a better mix of linemen.

bigjosh 08-12-2017 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by srvy (Post 13008116)
When you are listed 3rd string in 1st preseason game for now, this is the o-line you get and dont complain about it. He wont be listed on the depth chart 3rd for long. As cuts are made he will get a better mix of linemen.
Cuts arent made until after the final preseason game now. That just started this year.

Messier 08-12-2017 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by cmdrzman (Post 13008098)
Good point hombre, but I'll see that and raise

"He wont be going against guys that will be cut in 2 weeks"
If he's in with the starters, I think he'll find the open receivers. You don't. That's fine.

penbrook 08-12-2017 02:58 PM
Why would we replace Smitty? He has won 22 of his last 26 regular season games

Chiefshrink 08-12-2017 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13008055)
You're ****ing serious? You don't know how a QB can look more erratic and have less confidence than another QB while still making big plays and not screwing up?

Is that your hang up? It's either one or the other?

You sound like Sandy right now.
No, you just got busted is all. Your back pedaling is worse than Bartee.:D

bigjosh 08-12-2017 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by penbrook (Post 13008178)
Why would we replace Smitty? He has won 22 of his last 26 regular season games
Because the team has won about 15 of those in spite of his performance.

Chiefshrink 08-12-2017 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by penbrook (Post 13008178)
Why would we replace Smitty? He has won 22 of his last 26 regular season games
Are you tired of losing in the playoffs and seriously want to make a SB run??

milkman 08-12-2017 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 13008051)
Your actual quote: "and one to Robinson (again, called back on a penalty)".

Now, who has no clue what they are talking about here ?:shrug:
He named the wrong receiver.
He wasn't talking about his first pass.

CrowbarMan 08-12-2017 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 13008190)
Are you tired of losing in the playoffs and seriously want to make a SB run??
11 teams lose in the playoffs every year. Another 20 don't make it.

Chiefshrink 08-12-2017 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 13008216)
He named the wrong receiver.
He wasn't talking about his first pass.
All other passes completed by Mahomes on the field were not called back by a penalty. Robinson only received one attempt that resulted in a completion that was under thrown that was called back by a penalty and it was the first pass play from Mahomes in his debut.

IMHO he meant what he said. I will give SNR credit that he was high,drunk or both.:D

milkman 08-12-2017 03:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 13008275)
All other passes completed by Mahomes on the field were not called back by a penalty. Robinson only received one attempt that resulted in a completion that was under thrown that was called back by a penalty and it was the first pass play from Mahomes in his debut.

IMHO he meant what he said. I will give SNR credit that he was high,drunk or both.:D
There was a 20 yard dart over the middle, late in the third quarter if I remember correctly, to Dieter(?), that was called back.

RealSNR 08-12-2017 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 13008184)
No, you just got busted is all. Your back pedaling is worse than Bartee.:D
Eat cum in hell. You're the one with reading comprehension problems who can't figure out a very simple premise.

No, I'm not going to repeat it. Go back to my previous post and try again. You'll find that if you have even a morsel of intellectual honesty, I addressed your points clearly. You didn't address mine. The only one backpedaling is you.

Sweet Daddy Hate 08-12-2017 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by JDKinman (Post 13007134)
• A defense that couldn't wrap up and tackle one-legged nuns playing for The Over-the-Sacred Hill Sisters of the Invalid.


JD
LMAO :clap:

KChiefs1 08-12-2017 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by penbrook (Post 13008178)
Why would we replace Smitty? He has won 22 of his last 26 regular season games

Because he only does just enough & the team covers he inability to go beyond the offense. Mahomes will take the offense to a whole new level.

I guarantee you the Steeler playoff game wouldn't have ended up 18-16...it would have been a Steelers blowout or a Chiefs win.


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