I just realized what thread this is...


What the ****. Why is this even happening here?

My comments aren't about being "right" or being "wrong".

It's about managing expectations for an extremely talented but extremely raw 21 year QB prospect.

It's a fools errand to unequivocally state that Alex Smith will be cut and Pat Mahomess will start in 2018. The kid hasn't played a down of NFL football, has a steep mental learning curve and needs at least a full year at the training table.

I can't wait until the day that Mahomes is the starter but I think it's highly unlikely that he's ready Week 1 of the 2018 season. That's just a realistic expectation.

Damn Dane. No offense, but I truly hope you're wrong here and he is ready in 2018.

Waiting 2 more years will feel like 10.

Even if he's ready (and hope he is, too), I don't think that cutting Smith is the right play.

Tyler Bray, who's never had a regular season snap, in practice or a game, will be a free agent and has shown nothing. Joel Stave, another UDFA, sits behind him currently.

It's really difficult for me to believe that Dorsey and Reid head into 2018 with an entirely new QB depth chart and room, especially considering that WCO QB's (and QB's in general) are difficult to find.

I sure would like to see Bray play, just for shits and giggles. You never know.

Kareem Hunt is offended how "his" thread has regressed into this shit.


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How about we wait until we get there and pump the brakes on the hype until we know more about this kid after he develops a little? Ok cupcake?

The Geno/murray/Chase Daniel/bowe apologists would disagree with you. Cause they're always right, ya know.

What about that average starting field position?

Mahomes isn't starting this year you dickwad. He found a project that can develop UNDER Alex Smith. Not be the immediate or soon to be replacement. This is a 1.5-2 year project.

Tell the mother****er to click a different thread then. We have to figure out how long Smith plays !

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=199

That's an average inside the 25 yard line. WORSE than what you would get if you took a knee every kick off. There lies the problem in allowing the other team to drain the clock and score 6 field goals, you aren't left with shit to do work on the field when the other team has almost an entire extra quarter to hold the ball.

ROFL

what is the league average?

Says the guy who - like everyone else - has not a single ****ing clue whats on Reids mind, or what his timeline might be

I've already stated it plain as day, and while we dont know for sure, its a good rule of thumb to go by... Brett Favre started in Green Bay with FAR less preparation than Mahomes will have if he starts in 2018

Why would Mahomes be any different?

He is being asked to learn football verbiage, not rocket science

'Oh but footwork, and hey mechanics!"... thats absolute nonsense

If a young, scatterbrained beer chugger like Favre can pick up the WCO enough to successfully start in less than a year with hands on guidance from a coach who knows what he is doing... then so can Mahomes, end of story

In spite of your best efforts, Smith is GONE in 2018... bet on it

So, your guessing is better than everyone else's guessing?

:facepalm:

You admitted that you knew nothing about Mahomes until post draft yet you're on board with Mahomes starting in 2018 while cutting Smith?

This team has the LUXURY of not rushing Mahomes into action.

Why wouldn't Reid and Dorsey take advantage of the situation instead of forcing a guy on the field that isn't ready?

Comparing Favre and Mahomes' situation like these are identical situation is both stupid and ignorant. Knock it off. Kelce/Reid/Dorsey all have recently said this is Smith's team. Get used to it and shut the hell up or come back when he's not the starter.

Stop it Dane, common sense isn't welcome around here. Ass hole.

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And actually if my math and that post is correct that is the 26 yard line. League average is the 31.

5 yards on average. That's not as huge as you are acting.

In your eye it's not huge but for Andy Reid and coaching staff, that's telling that the defense couldn't force punts and the other team was able to force kickoffs. Not exactly the situation you want when your biggest weapon is a punt returning specialist.

Would you not agree? .....

The biggest weapon was also our no. 1 wr by that point:facepalm: I think our first round pick is going to be expected to get more out of our biggest weapon.

Who are the Chase Daniel apologists? The only ones I've seen are the posters who claimed that it was worth it to keep him around as a backup towards the end of his backloaded deal even though we had Murray and Bray on the roster. That has absolutely NOTHING to do with your boyfriend Alex.

And if there actually existed Chase Daniel apologists, why would they also be Aaron Murray fans? Aaron Murray was Daniel's ONLY ****ing real competition for the backup job in the 3 years he was in KC, and that's if you could even call it a competition.

You're making up shit to make yourself look like a victim again.

He's pretty ****ing pissed. I don't think he will show up for training camp.


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There is very little chance Dorsey moved up that much to take a long term project... they're not asking the kid to be Werner Von Braun, they're asking him to get a basic grasp of WCO terminology

Thats doable in one offseason, let alone two

His physical upside is too great, and the cap savings involved are too big to not start him in 2018... I'm not worried about leadership, or who is gonna be the backup

Our regime will have that well in hand

Mahomes will start in 2018, if we disagree well it wouldnt be the first time... they're just not gonna burn 2 years of his rookie contract to watch him sit around IMO

:facepalm:

More speculation from a guy that's watched Mahomes videos for 2 weeks.

And FWIW, giving up a 3rd round pick, when he had TWO this year, along a a 1st next year is a BARGAIN.

The dopey Bears gave up FAR more to move up one spot. The 49ers gave up more to move up three spots.

The cost was minimal to get a potential 10 year player that doesn't need to be called into action for 2 years.

You're talking out of your ass.

Mahomes' situation is also nothing like Rodgers but you continually make those comparisons. Kelce was tweeting Mahomes the night he got picked. Tyreek was hinting at his excitement for the move too. They know that he represents more opportunity for them and the team long term.

This is Smith's team... for one more damn year. The odds are strongly in favor of this being his swan song and you just can't f**king take it. You probably lose sleep at night trying to think of reasons why Alex Smith could be the starter in 2018... and you know deep down that there are a hell of a lot more reasons for him NOT to be the guy then there are for him to remain in '18.

The worst part of this argument is that we wont know who the winner is until next year

We'll settle up then I guess

Danes right Mahomes doesnt need to play for 2 years.

People who were coaching in Green Bay when Favre came in have made the comparison, you little brownnoser

Now shut the **** up and come back when they take back their words... this is Smiffs last rodeo, suck on it

He doesn't NEED to, but 17 mil is a shit ton to save by cutting/trading Smith. Without a first that would allow us to bring in a top tier FA, or just saving it to retain our own talent

For the love of God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I came to this thread to read what was being said about Kareem Hunt. The front page is nothing but Alex Smith arguing. I don't give a damn if Smith goes or stays at this point. Take your worn out arguments to an Alex Smith thread please. :cuss:

Good luck... Those shitty spamming Alex slurpees ruin every thread they get in...

You are reading way too far into a tweet. Kelce was the leading TE last season and he said just last week in his interview it is not Smith's team. There has not been a single person on staff that has said or speculated they are ready to move on from Smith. John Dorsey was raving about Smith being the 4th winningest QB. He is in no rush to put in Mahomes so long as Alex keeps doing his thing

TU.. they are right. If you must continue this "no he won't/yes, he will" same old back and forth... why do so in this thread????? :shake:

edit: comments moved to this thread now, good.

lol, at this point no one is going to say any differently no matter what. Find me a CREDIBLE reporter that is saying two years, right now. Not on draft night, not in the days following. See since a couple days after the draft not many people have been saying that, it might be because they are hearing the whispers. You keep using mayock's opinion, and he thought we were taking watson right up until the spoiler sites had announced the pick. He didn't know shit.

Also Andy Reid publicly stated that Donovan Mcnabb would be the starter the next season. That was a couple MONTHS prior to trading him to an in division rival.

Maybe you need to pump YOUR brakes a little and realize right now it's probably better than 50-50 that Smith is gone next year. And if not mahomes hasn't progressed like they had hoped, IMO.

precedent (mcnabb), cost (picks, money saved) potential(obvious imo) and timing all come together here. Maybe their plan (at least what looks to be their plan to someone with common sense) doesnt work out, but at this point most things are pointing to the hope being he's ready to roll next year.

I'm hoping Alex Smith retires, #1 so I don't have to worry about a couple of you guys killing yourselves.

Yeah I'm trying to figure out where to move them.

Not necessary to incite with this level of drama hyperbole.

I am expecting retirement, because I like him, and prefer it be his choice to ail off into the sunset.. to be healthy for his family and future. It's the smart and unselfish move, imho.

If it goes the other way, and it's more him getting booted out for cap hit being too much for production? Hey... marginal sadness for him, but hopefully it will be the catalyst for exactly what I want in the first place. (retirement and health)


Why some of you hate him or the fans so much to make this some dramatic kick to the curb? Well that's just a continuation of being classless, petty, spiteful... and ungrateful that he helped to bring respectability back to KC for 5 years.

You're a dumbass. Seriously.

If he gets cut I would seriously worry about tiger's mental state, I'm not sure he could take it.

and you're a classless punk, and first class asshole... seriously.

ROFL you know absolutely nothing about me , obviously. But keep on keeping on.


What about me saying I hoped alex retires so some don't kill themselves makes you say that? I didn't mention you, or even think about you, sad face, so why are you butt hurt over it? Did the point hit you in the feels?

That first gif is a TERRIBLE ****ing throw. I would delete it immediately if you are trying to make a point about Alex being acceptable.

He's under NO pressure by the looks of it and throws it so Wilson had to go to the ground, he made it a much harder catch

I agree with this assessment.... Plus any injury or shitty play by Smith will speed it up even more... if we go 1-3 out the gate next year this place will go bonkers wanting to put the kid in... not the right move but that's what would be called for by CP and a lot of fans.

Just trust Dorsey and Reid FFS.


If Mahomes is out there Day 1 it's the right move, if he is out there year 3 (gulp) it will be the right move.

A TD pass keeping the player inbounds is a 'bad throw'. Your ignorance is strong

agreed..it was perfect placement for the Albert Wilson, turd catch radius.

Lol, "perfect placement" for guy with "turd catch radius" is wobbly and makes him go to the ground and slide to catch it?

Shit like this is the reason you guys have absolutely no credibility.

Let's bitch about a TD pass against the Patriots when The #1 receiver is injured. Only CP...

Tiger, who are the Chase Daniel apologists? You never answered my question.

I want names.

Where mods do the trolling...CP

And if it's year 4 then Alex Smith fulfilled our dreams of a SB :)

Yeah, he's definitely not in a rush to replace him. I mean, all GMs trade up 17 spots in the first round for long term backup QBs...

F**king moron. If Alex keeps doing 'his thing', that isn't good at all for him or the team. He needs to play aggressively for 4 quarters, every game. That is his only hope of putting together a season worthy of keeping him around in '18.

You better find another angle, from that one it looks like he was several feet from the sideline.

This is a big possibility that Smith gets injured. So Mahomes can come in I'd think after week 8 minimum and be ready if Smith goes down and then showcase his talents. He may struggle of course but the upside is game time experience.

You're going to feel really stupid if Smith is the starter in '18 or Mahomes ends up being a busy. Like really, really stupid

You mean like when KC traded up for Mahomes after you said for months Dorsey and Reid knew better?

The risk goes both ways here. That's why the bet was made.

Alex has been hurt 2/4 years he's been here and has only played 4 full 16 game seasons.

Chances are absolutely possible that Mahomes could see time on the field this season.

Do you know where this post is? I need to make it my sig

This gives us so much hope.

We're one concussion away!!!!

Big Andy is hungry for a title

There were a few iirc, I would look in those threads that were about Mahomes leading up to the draft

Alex Smith fans are just the weirdest and the worst. Dude has never lead a top offense, despite playing with some elite defenses and some very productive rush offenses. Who effing cares about efficiency? Points are what win games and Alex has never been able to produce points. Alex's main attribute is not turning the ball over- that's it. Alex typically faffs about for sixty minutes trying not to eff-up and waiting for his defense and rush attack to win the game. I hated that trade from day one and I can't wait until that mothereffer is gone.

I wonder if there were any Jeff Garcia superfans back in the day... following him about and crowing about his pro bowl appearances and all the times he lead a team to the playoffs. You people are weird. Really, really weird.

Uhhh... why is this showing up as a thread I created? I didnt start this thread

Its even showing up in my list of started threads, and I damn sure didnt make it... the op is a post I made in someone elses thread

Here you go, RunKC. Here's one of them.

Post 308 and 309 in this thread: http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=294514

Mod Abuse. ;) They took your post as the starting point of the derailing of the other thread with Alex shit, like Alex shit isn't the entire reason for this site's continued zombie state.

The posts were extracted from the Kareem Hunt thread to separate the conversation. As it should have been.

BFD.

That must be the case, pretty stupid if you ask me, that post didnt derail anything

Let me get this straight. Swapping third round picks and including a 4th and 7th round pick to move up to get a running back demonstrates to you what Dorsey perceives as a problem.....

....but trading two first round picks and a third round pick to move up to 10th overall to draft a quarterback doesnt demonstrate to you what Dorsey perceives as a problem??

Really, really solid logic there Tigger. Brilliant.

Whats that? sorry, I do not speak reerun

Post 103: http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=305318


Same thread, post 595:

Also, not what you were looking for, but Bugeater also eviscerates Tiger on the claim that "I knew the Chiefs would still make the playoffs when they were 1-5 in 2015!!!!" http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=553

I moved then, and yes that post was where the alex shit started. Lol back through the old thread

LMAO

This is great stuff. By the start of 2018, an entire megathread could be filled with stupid posts by the Tigger.

Kareem will be ready to play now and will easily be a split carry back by mid-season. Mahomes was drafted as a QBOTF, likely in 2019.
Unless Dorsey is lying thru this teeth when he's raving about Smith being the 4th winningest QB since joining the franchise.

Where do we get these noobs? Did you even earn your GED, kid?

It was a few sentences in response to pugs post, the other half of the post is about Hunt and our run game

Didnt need moved at all, but whatever gets you guys off

Wont have anything to do with Alex. When the running game was on in 14' we won like 5 in a row and 11 in 15'. If Hunt is the real deal and Houson is healthy this team can compete with anybody sans New England.

Yet, you of anyone know that I've been right far more times than wrong on this board. I led the charge to back the team after Charles went down as clay would inevitably get banned cause I pushed him into insanity about how wrong he was. Same with this year, all the dumbasses (most of this board) at 2-2 bailed on the team and were listening to clay (thank God, got banned again for his stupidity) who said we wouldn't get more than 7 wins.

You were dry humping all of my posts since October 2015, don't forget that cupcake.

Quit your crying. It needed to be done.