Sitting is the best for Mahomes. Anyone that's watched him play agrees.

Reid and Smith are the perfect mentors for a guy whose family has LIVED professional sports, meaning he'll be coachable.

I can't believe you're the same guy stumping for Tyler Bray in the first, yet have hesitation about Mahomes.

Oh, wait...

I sent two escorts over to Dorsey's place!

I bet Rain Man never thought he'd see the day when he could poll CP about a 1st round QB. :D

I see a lot of people on here celebrating but I don't see analysts calling this a fantastic pick. Dorsey is a great GM but he's busted on picks too. A lot of the excitement in here is coming from simply the fact that we drafted a QB in the first round but when you look at this and last year's QBs he is probably the third best of the group at best. Now, what he could be in two years remains to be seen. He's 21 and raw, this stupidity that he should start soon is foolish

Value of the 10th pick - 1300

Value of the 27th pick - 680
value of the 3rd pick - 136
Value of 1st next year - unknown

Current Difference is negative 484
Lowest value of any 1st round pick - 590

so as of right now, we are 106 pts in the hole with no possibility of getting to even since you can't pick lower than 32.

To put that in perspective, if we pick in the middle of the 1st round next year, it's the 15th(1050 value) we would be in the negative 566 in trade value.

You have said yourself:

No price is too high if you think the guy is a franchise QB..

They got the guy they wanted. You can tell by their reaction. No price was too high.

Your opinion of the prospect means nothing. Absolutely nothing..

Fact. Not fiction.
#Inhishead

That chart means jack and shit anymore to anyone other than talking heads.

I never stumped for Tyler Bray. In any round. Or in any capacity as the Chiefs QBOTF.

I hope to god he's coachable because he has some real bad habits that have ****ed a lot of QBs at the pro level. He has a lot of Johnny Football in him. And then there's the history of Tech QBs. Gross.

He was always a 2nd round prospect to me. And they just gave up 2 1sts and a 3rd for him.

That's a lot. They better be right or criticism will be absolutely valid, especially pending Watson's career.

But it's still better than sitting here bitching about Alex Smith, so, as I said previously tonight, I'll accept it, and will definitely be present at his first NFL start.

Gruden is comparing this trade to the trade the Packers made for Brett Favre

Yup.

IF

Like as in "IF Laz knew anything about the NFL, he'd be a valuable poster".

IF

Most of the time teams value the pick next year the same as the 1st of the team they are trading down with. Also, trades into the top ten tend to add around 15% to the cost historically.

Conservative estimate would be 680+680+136 = 1496 and 1300*15% = 1495. Draft day value was about spot on. We'll see what happens with actual value next year I suppose.

You're still here??

Why?

Oh, yeah. We have another year of check downs in the way.

Hey look it's Laz to bitch about something.

Remember when the Chiefs didn't have a plan to get a QB? Sure didn't look like it tonight.
Btw-the Chiefs still have EIGHT picks including 1 in every single round and they will also be getting almost $14 million in $$ next year from cutting/trading Alex.

You really do bitch just to bitch. You must be unbearable in real life dude

I'm not sure I follow, but I know that picks next year have significantly less value than it's equal slot in this years draft.

Future picks almost always get a full round of depreciation when used as trades.

That 2018 1st should only be worth 310 points.

Dorsey basically got full value for a future pick.

Old timers: when was the last time CP had this much consensus on a draft pick or trade?

I commented about the value.

The fact that you can't comprehend that is on you, not me.

I said the value was poor BUT we got the guy we wanted.

Can you understand?

You won't because you don't want to, so whatever.

It's strange to see Tiger and Clay in relatively the same corner about a football related issue.

WE ****ING STOLE A FRANCHISE QB.

Now, while you criticize the few of us.. Ask yourselves... When has a franchise ever successfully traded away that much in picks receiving both good value AND an elite QB.

The team that is trading up, their pick next year is usually valued the same as this year's pick. So, Buffalo would value KC's 2018 1st with the same amount of points as this year's 1st. Basically team's assume approximately the same performance next year.

Trades into the top ten have shown that the trade value chart is off by about 15%, so it actually costs more to move into those positions on average. The Chiefs traded into the 10 spot, so history says that 1300 needs to be adjusted up roughly 15%.

Then, just follow the math.

Eric Berry was a pretty special pick. Everyone thought we were going with a fatty. Seeing Eric on the phone during our slot was a legendary moment in this site's history.

The consensus (outside of Sac, rip), was that Pioli nailed it.

He did.

If we win the super bowl and pick 32.

if not the value gets worse with each slot our pick goes higher.

I'm ok with selecting Mahomes, I really am.

Value wasn't good though. At the very least, we shouldn't have had to give up that extra 3rd round pick this year.

Whatever, nobody wants to hear it.

Enjoy the QB selection.

NEVER SAID I DIDN'T WANT ONE

Ask yourself: When have you ever made a relevant comment on CP?

They basically gave up 10 spots in the 3rd and next year's first

Dane is back!

This is true and I back Laz on this. He's been on board with this. I hammer the guy for a ton of shit, but this isn't one of those things.

And the thing is, no one in their right mind can logically argue with this without a crystal ball

Says the cum-guzzling fugtard who has been complaining about Alex Smith every day for the last 2 years.

I've always had the perception that teams tend to value a next-year pick as being one round less than the same this-year pick.

That would put the value at:

2017 #10 pick - 1,300 points

versus

2017 #27 pick - 680 points
2017 #91 pick - 136 points
2018 1st round pick - 484 points is the equivalent of the 10th pick in the second round, so a one-round discount means it's a 10th pick in the first round.

So overall, it seems like a fair trade or even a good trade if you believe that rule of thumb. I personally think that the draft chart overvalues top-ten picks too much.

I hope Mahomes blows this trade out of the water. I just don't think I would have made the trade.

I said before the pick that i was ok with selecting one.

I was going to trust Dorsey and Reid on this one.


I merely commented on the value, that's all.

The entire draft is a crap shoot.

Teams do their best to vet players (some, better than others) but no team hits 100%.

The Chiefs have been a very good drafting team since 2013.

They deserve the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.

It isn't like we went Skins-RGIII or Saints-Ricky Williams style trade or even the Rams last year for Goff.

Look at those assholes waving their stupid towels

And his hands are barely larger than kaepernicks. Haven't watched all his film but how does he play in cold/wet conditions??

And for good ****ing reason! Glad the Chiefs traded up!

Of course if the Chiefs win the SB one day, you'all bitch about how they won it, bc well that's just you Laz.

When it comes to 1st rounds, you aren't going to drop the value to a 2nd rounder.

Many people believe you don't trade the 1st rounders AT ALL because of their importance.

I'm glad they traded up too.





Trade value wasn't great though

They had to go from 27 to 10 to get their guy. That's a shit long way to go and you're gonna have to give up value.

For a GM, you can argue that a 1st round pick in 2017 is worth more than the same 1st round pick in 2018. I tend to disagree with that. Other than saving a GM's job, they should be worth exactly the same over the life of a franchise.

If I was a GM, I'd trade every one of my picks in Year 1 for a slightly higher pick in Year 2, and then I'd do the same thing in Year 2.

For me, it could not be more simple. IF you don't have a QB, you do what you have to to go get the guy who you want. If it doesn't work out, you do it again in a 3-4 years. I have been hard on Andy on game days but I do trust him more than most to develop and get the most out of a QB.

On the other hand, my GF is a diehard Bears fan and that was embarrassing watching them shit the bed...

I'll be hating the trade a bit next year when the first round is happening, but I don't doubt Dorsey and Reid on the value.

Poll should have included a option for - I approve of the trade and was good with either Watson or Mahomes. I trust the choice of management.

overwhelming approval....showing people on CP have balls and want to go for it

So here it comes. The systematic, unrelenting, dressing-down of the stud the Chiefs have hand-picked to clean the seat Alex Smith has been defiling with his feces and urine for four seasons.

You need to find a liquor store and put it out of business in about 2 hours.

QB is the sole position you give up value for if you think you can get your guy. Plus the Chiefs still have 8 picks including a pick in every rd. They still have tons of resources this year in a deep draft.

The Chiefs also getting rid of Alex in 2018 gets us almost $14 million.

Not too bad a deal IMO. We did lose value but I don't care as long as Mahomes turns out to be a good QB

Things are pretty opposite of what I remember here a year ago post first round. That one ended up working out pretty well for us. Also, really enjoyed Dorseys comments on Mahomes. Love the work Dorsey has done in his short time here.

In all honesty, this was a utter and complete steal.

After the Bears gave up picks this year and next, just to move up ONE spot, I figured the Chiefs would need to give up all of their 2017 Comp picks and a 2 next year.

But a late 3rd and a most likely, a late 1st next year? No brainer.

Buffalo is dumb.

The Chiefs will most likely, move up and down tomorrow, as they have the ammo. This team was never going to draft 10 guys, as there isn't room on the roster but they're in a prime position to land a OLBer, ILBer, RB, CB and guard.

It's going to be a fantastic draft.

I think that's the bottom line. If you get a franchise quarterback, anything is a good deal. Let's all sacrifice a chicken at our altars tonight that Mahomes becomes a name of legend.

Alex Smith hand size: 9 3/8
Pat Mahomes hand size: 9 1/4

They basically have the exact same hand size ROFL

This is considered to be an exceptionally deep draft so I am happy that they were able to keep most of the picks this year. For all we know, the 2018 draft could be like the 2013, so at this point, we don't really know the value of that 1st round pick at this time.

I think the value chart is pretty meaningless when you're talking about trading for a QB. It's funny, I said it when people were bashing the Chicago trade... but the value of the QB position is just higher than it's ever been due the nature of today's game. I'm not sure Mahomes would've been a top 10 pick a decade ago. But the whole value chart goes out the window because the position is so important and the game is so rigged for the offense.

Mahomes is a great talent. He seems smart, works hard, and Reid would not have drafted him if he couldn't handle the offense. I'm 100% sure that's what pushed him over Watson in Reid's mind. He has a monster arm, but Reid's offense is complex and the playcalls are long and complicated. This guy can learn it, and he can make calls at the line of scrimmage.

He needs some work though. His footwork is absolutely horrible sometimes. He gets sloppy because he knows he can throw himself out of problems. I'm guessing Reid is going to ride the daylights out of the kid to break those habits. There will be some major WTF plays. It took Favre about three years to kind of get over that hump. We may need the same kind of patience, but there's a ton of potential there.

BTW, did they trade their normal 3rd or the comp 3rd?

Normal #91.

#91, not #104

I had to check out his Wonderlic for whatever that's worth. He got a 24, which isn't stellar but it's okay.

The Broncos' first-round pick got a 9. ROFL

https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dal...atrick-mahomes

You want one. Tiger wants one. OldSchool wants one.

YOU DON'T JUST GET ONE.

The NCAA doesn't have NFL teams take turns on solid can't-miss QB prospects with zero red flags. And the NFL draft value point system is a GUIDELINE. The value of a depreciated first says that we did just fine.

So when you say, "I never said I don't want a QB, just don't like how we had to pay too much!" it means you actually DIDN'T want a QB badly enough to deserve one.

Getting a QB shouldn't be a luck-based thing. It shouldn't be having your current HOF QB get a neck injury and tank your team in the year of Andrew Luck. It shouldn't be Tom Brady in the 6th round.

The Chiefs got a QB, and if Mahomes is the answer, they did it the HONORABLE way.

And the thing is, no one in their right mind can logically argue with this without a crystal ball

Yeah, that lineman looked like a big dumb mother****er. We were taking guesses at his reading level at work.

I understand that it's the only thing the public has but kinda amazes me the ****ing trade value chart that was created back when Lotus 1-2-3 was the shit for spreadsheets is still a thing.

You morons knocking on bolles when Seattle wanted him badly and ended up trading back after Denver got him

stellar job by Dorsey...great trade and pick.

Smith has shown struggles with gripping in the rain, hence why he has been wearing glove(s) sporadically

Full throated, 100% approve.

The track records of our GM & coach is why I'm probably putting faith in their decision to make a bold move.

Let's be honest, over half the 1st round QBs don't pan out, either way. At this point, and with this team's history, I think if anything, if he turns out to be a bust, that will fine, and you move along.

Of course everyone wants him to turn out to be the lovechild of Rodgers & Brady, except better.

The disaster scenario is he ends up being a middling QB. Just good enough to flash promise, but never actually able to scale the summit of leading the Chiefs to the promised land. Thus, ensuring another codependent fanbase and franchise incapable of cutting the cord, cutting our losses, and capable of making a clean break, turning the page, & moving on.
Once again stuck in QB purgatory of mediocrity.

The last scenario, as any real Chiefs fan knows, is probably inevitable...

because Chiefs!

It's hard not to approve

Look at the past picks Dorsey and company have made

Amazing watching the Dorsey presser, they worked that trade 5 days. Knew their guy and got him

Also Watson wasn't that impressive in my opinion even if he beat bama

LMAO Chicago .. nice trade

That coach and GM combo is another positive this move. Reid/Dorsey don't have to prove themselves. It's not like we have a young coach or GM who will throw caution to the wind because they're trying to save their job. Reid isn't going to be bothered by any pressure to play Mahomes until he's ready.

I think the fact that Reid, Payton and Arians were all crazy for this guy is a very good sign. Those are three coaches I think everyone would agree get the most of their QBs.

Gruden loves Mahomes. Said he should be the first QB taken.


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Torn on this...drafting a project QB @ #10 and giving 2 1st round picks for him is definitely a reach. He has some serious footwork issues to iron out. Chiefs would have had Foster sitting there...he was rated as a blue chip and filled a position of need.

The positive is Dorsey wouldn't have given up this much capital if they didnt believe in his potential. There is also the angle that trading Smith next year should net at least a 2nd round pick and save $14 mil. I think this had as much to do with the move as anything.

I am thrilled about the trade, because last time? We traded down to get a bunch of guys, one of which was Kiko Alonso, who we traded straight up for Shady McCoy(Eagles... ;) , and you guys think Oakland fans are reeruned)

Kiko plays, poorly, for the Dolphins now(X2 Bonus). Well, today he does.

Based on our historical anal-rape(Hey, last time I was here this was cool, sorry if things have gotten better) of teams who trade with us?


Well, there was a point on NFL Network where this "Chiefs-cam" draft room guy was innocuously sorta wiping his hands...but at the same time, pulling his butt-cheeks apart(Jesus, feel the camera dude), and all of us online were howling because: "Yep, get used to it, buddy".

2nd round pick for only one season left on the books?

Smith will still have value...to a team without a quality starting QB. They would redo his contract...

PIMP.

I voted PM2 would've been available at 27. But I'm not really mad at the trade either. Sometimes you gotta go for what you want. Reid/Dorsey know more than I, every draftee this year

You have concerns over the fact that the Chiefs traded what will probably be a late round #1 next year for a potential QB of the future but you think a GM will give up a 2nd for Alex Smith in 2018? Boy, would I love for that to be the case but I'm guessing the GM that does that is fired the next day.

All of the Cardinals local reporters could have been wrong(not being sarcastic)but word here is that the Chiefs trade up is the only thing that kept PMII from being a Cardinal

I've started severing myself from all the draft crap and only pay attention after the fact. After the fact, weighing all the info I'd of preferred Watson. However!

It's a true commodity (Barring time management and play calling) to have Andy Reid to hone this guys skills. So while I prefer Watson "Right Now", I think Reid can get this guy going in the right direction given time.

I also think that the contrast in styles between Smith and Mahomes is a benefit and will allow him to see things in a different light while sitting behind Smith.