White McCluster has a small dick and runs like a pussy. Goes down like a sack of hammers when you breathe on him.

**** McCaffrey

Bridgewater and Carr right off the top of my head

McCaffery would be a great fit, but Cook would be better.

Mahomes has been 100% my pick all year, before he became a first round QB.

McCaffrey is nothing like McCluster at all, zero comparison there.


He's the son of a Bronco so **** him, but he's nothing like McCluster, Dat or any of the other gadgety scrubs we've signed.

McNabb 'turned to complete shit' because he was in Washington where everything turned to complete shit and he was ancient.

McNabb's sandlot football went to 4 AFC championship games while Alex Smith can't beat a team that scores zero touchdowns at home. I'll take McNabb over Smith every time and at this point, frustrations aside, I believe Reid would as well.

There's no way he's not !@#$ing tired of this. For all you say about him being older and not wanting to deal with the headache, the guy KNOWS his place in the NFL pantheon of all-time coaches depends on a Super Bowl. If he wins a championship, he becomes a top 10 guy in the eyes of many. He probably goes to the HOF.

He'll have the W%, raw victories and championship he needs to be in the conversation with all but maybe 2-3 guys in NFL history. He NEEDS this championship to have a legacy that matters. He knows it.

He's not going to ride or die with this chickenshit forever. If Mahomes gets to 16, he's a Chief.

No. This is a straight drop with no ad libbing, and a called 9 route. In fact, it's TWO 9 routes from the outside receivers.

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It's a ****ing lie that Reid doesn't have a deep component in his offense.

Reid is not Bill Walsh. Give him outside threats and he uses them.

He's not going down with the SS Alex. I don't believe it for a minute.

We certainly will see.

If we pass on a QB this year then you will have your answer.

Depends on the draft board - Watson is just Chocolate Smith, IMO. And Kizer appears to not justify the risk, though I could see us jumping at 27.

But if Mahomes or Trubisky are sitting there within feasible trade-up range and we don't pull the trigger, you'll be right.

Uh huh.

What if Reid came to the conclusion if that McNabb was the reason why he never won a ring and would have been better off with a game manager surrounded by an all-star RB and ridiculously good YAC receivers on offense to augment an all-decade level defense?

16, huh?

Damn, that's a bold prediction.

So what conclusions can he reach by the fact that 4 years later the flip side of that coin is 1-3 in the post-season?

If your answer to McNabb's improvising is Alex Smith's....nothing...then you've read the question wrong.

I'm not positive we'd trade up that high, but if he makes it past the Cardinals there are a bunch of spots between there and 20 where we can make a deal happen that isn't cost-prohibitive. We may trade up to 20 and snag him at 20, but if he gets to 16 I think he's clear of the high-end threats that can knock us out of the bidding.

And if they're fighting with Houston to get into the late teens/early 20s to make the move, I don't think Dorsey will blink this time. The Treadwell stuff was a pretty apparent smokescreen and they got sniped by Denver on Lynch. Dorsey's not going to let that happen this year - he'll find his landing spot for his guy and he'll make the move to get there.

Unless Arizona ****s us because the firepower it takes to get up to 11/12 may just be too much.

Wow, that certainly narrows the possibilities. :eek:

Pull a Dikta and trade everything to get Trubisky
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Nothing

Andy "the QB guru" Reid is certainly limited in who he can be good with. People keep insisting that this draft really does have a good QB class. Yet it comes down to only 2 players?

Let's not act like they went to those NFC championships BECAUSE of McNabb. He was a pretty average QB in the playoffs. Averaged 234 yards 1.5 touchdowns and 1 interception a game with 59% completion.
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1.5 TD's per game? We can't deal with that level of success here for sure.

Shut the **** up

Andy Reid was wanting to win with defense in Philly too.

Isn't Alex Smith a very "win-with-defense" type QB?

Isn't that what Reid has been trying to do in KC, win with defense?

As others have glibly pointed out, the 1-3 isn't nearly as important as 43-21 being better than 2-14 to the person ultimately in charge.

234 yards per game was top 10 passing in 2005

To say nothing of the fact that McNabb was 2nd in passing yards per game that year.

You're also ignoring rushing TDs.

Alex Smith averages 2 touchdowns a game in the playoffs.
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Yeah that player is dead and gone.

In his last 3 playoff games he averages 1 TD per game.

Hey Doug and Andy are buds and they may possibly do a favor for each other here. You never know what Pederson really wants at this point. He doesn't need a QB and if he does not prefer McCaffery why not switch 1st rd spots while picking up some serious picks this year and next to build his team. If Mahomes is gone we get McCaffery. I don't hate McCaffery at all and think he would fit perfect in a Reid offense but I have always seriously doubted that his college game would not transfer to the NFL as a 3 down back. And with our mediocre at best o-line he will not run well between the tackles IMO so he will be used only in certain running and passing situations as some have compared to a Reggie Bush. Let's hope he is not soft like Bush though if we pick him.

He threw 15 TD's last year. Or, less than 1.5 per game, which was my joke.

Or maybe it was his joke. Because 15 passing TD's in a league that doesn't allow defense is a joke.

Cunningham is just too skinny for my taste in ILB. He will get manhandled IMHO. If they pick him up they better beef him up a bit. Just saying.:shrug:

The Eagles tattled on us and ****ed us out of a 3rd rd pick last year. I don't think Andy wants anything to do with that owner and GM.

I still maintain that 14 is the sweet spot. I really think it makes sense. Deep draft in Ballard's first year of a disaster that was handed to him and we have a mostly built roster in need of a QB.
I think Ballard could cut us a fair deal (27, 3rd, 2018 2nd).

It's all dependent on Arizona. I would think Dorsey has a deal in place with ballard so the moment Arizona passes on him we strike.

Not doubting Cunningham's skills at all he is just too skinny for my taste at ILB and agree that Davis would be a better pick at ILB if our prized players are already taken. The reason for Cunningham's arm tackling is he knows he is too skinny and doesn't have the beef to consistently throw his body into a tackle and relies on his speed and coverage to afford arm tackling IMHO but that won't cut it at the NFL level.

Yeah, I forgot about that tattling on us. But you never know. And it makes more sense that we can help Ballard as he can help us as well. And I agree that AZ is the wildcard at this point. Great realistic perspective Run !!:clap:

Sold

and there is a very good chance we strike with not only those other teams that want Mahomes assuming he is still there but if not we very likely would be striking with Denver for McCaffrey and I think Ballard would do us a deal but then again this is a business.

**** WHITE RUNNING BACKS AMEN

I have said Mahomes to KC for awhile. They love him and I've heard the rumblings as well.

When people say, "McCaffrey is a fit for our offense," they're ignoring the fact that we'd be continuing to feed Alex more short yardage binkies for him to suck on while we need first downs in playoff games.

I don't want to give Alex any more ****ing weapons until he properly uses the ones he's got right the **** in front of him.

What I say to the idea of giving Alex a short yardage YAC target like McCaffrey:

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If he's Charles like then Mahomes is Steve Young like so a better value.

That makes no sense.. more weapons the merrier

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If you give Alex Smith a Donnie Avery, Dwayne Bowe, bad OL, Jamaal Charles offense, he'll give you 3500 yards, ~20 TDs, and single digit INTs.

If you give Alex Smith a Jeremy Maclin, Travis Kelce, and some OL, he'll give you 3500 yards, ~20 TDs, and single digit INTs.

If you give Alex Smith a dynamic playmaking deep threat like Tyreek Hill and some better WRs plus an elite RT in free agency, he'll give you 3500 yards, FEWER than 20 TDs, and single digit INTs.

Those resources you use to get him weapons could be used to get some more dynamic passrushers, a 2nd shutdown CB, a replacement for DJ at ILB

I used to grow up in Vikings country. They used to have a short yardage guy named Leroy Hoard. The fans used to say this about him: "If you need 1 yard, Leroy Hoard will give you 2 yards. If you need 3 yards, Leroy Hoard will give you 2 yards."

That's who Alex is. No matter what.

Gonn have to trade up ahead of the Texans for Mahomes.


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Good, we have 10 picks and about 5 needs so do it.


Also I would much rather draft a QB and him fail this year than watch us pass on the chance and see him succeed just like Carr, Rodgers and Wilson.

I'm pretty much against drafting a RB in the first round not matter what, let alone trading up for one. Obviously a specific circumstance can change that but RB's relative to other positions are just too easy to find to trade up for one in the first.

Especially one who has bust written all over him.

Quite frankly out of all the RB's I would like in this order.

1. Mixon - a 3 down back
2. Cook - a 3 down back
3 McAffery- situational RB

Since the league saw the success of TH a supposed problem child pan out so far look for Mixon to possibly go as high as late first rd, more like the 2nd and no further than the 3rd. Yes I get everyone's point about other needs and with RBs being deep this year why take one early BUT Mixon and Cook are special backs and especially Mixon. If we traded out of the 1st and took Mixon in the 2nd I am a happy camper and if we took him in the 1st at 27 I'm okay with it. Just saying.

ROFL

I've got a bad feeling the top 3 QBs are gone by pick 13. I think AZ is the firewall for Mahomes. I'm going to assume the asking price to move up from 27 to 10-12 is a 1st and 2nd this year and a 1st next year. If they really love Mahomes they should pull the trigger.

Now if he makes it past AZ the next hurdle is beating Houston's trade offer. Us having a second rounder and theirs being traded away could have a big impact on if we land Mahomes or not.

So when can we expect this 250 td's and 2-3 td's a game out of Alice?

Very true !! Ballard will do us right then because why would he want to face Mahomes if he does pan out 2wice a year?

Thank you for posting this.


Now, can we delete this thread?

While 250 yards is probably what he does want, the ability to throw for 400 to even 500 in a game needs to be in the QB's arsenal... just in case.

All three of those guys are bleh.

What should we do Black Bob?

This

Trade up for Watson or Foster. Give our first four picks (1,2,3,3) to move into (#16-20 range). If they aren't there, trade back for 2018 first and second round picks to get us into position to try again for a QB next year.

We either need to get the QBOTF or a guy who could propel us to the Super Bowl this year.

I don't believe in Mahommes, Trubisky, or Kizer at all.

Smart guy right here.

One day, you will worship the Dark Peniight

McNabb was solid. And I agree they passed downfield way more than we do... but part of that is just the QB. But Reid's offense has always been Reid's offense.

In this 2004 season everyone keeps discussing, they did have Terrell Owens and threw downfield as much as Reid ever has. They also targeted the running backs 148 times that year. By my rough count... the next year with TO they targeted the RBs 157 times. The first year without TO, they attempted 161 passes to the RBs.

Last year, the Chiefs targeted the RBs about 90 times. Now we've replaced some of those attempts by funneling them to Tyreek... but the basic idea is the same. Tons of short passes and getting guys in space.

Question the source if you want.... but as a Patrick Mahomes advocate, let's just say I've been in a damn good mood since hearing this. :D

in all fairness, the eagles had Brian Westbrook. Why wouldn't you feed him a ton of touches?

Well heck yeah you would. It's by design. Just like our offense is now. Reid loves to get speed, stretch the field horizontally and get those guys in space. Do you really think Andy Reid would sit here for four years suffocating himself with an offense he didn't want? He could quit the Chiefs tomorrow and have 5 job offers by 9 o'clock.

I've said from day one people are going to blame Alex Smith for everything when it's Andy Reid calling the shots.

Reid's offenses have been full of players like mcaffrey. Westbrook, McCoy and Charles. They're critical to Reid's offense. Alex Smith or not, having mcaffrey would be good for the offense.
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Trade up for a QB everyone says should sit for two years? When is the last time a team used a first round pick on a QB to ride the bench for a few years when the team had an established starter? I don't think it's happened in a decade.

Trade up for a gadget player in the first? An undersized RB who could never carry a full load? Maybe if you have all your other pieces in place, but KC has some holes.

Trade up, trade down, it really doesn't matter. You can go to Vegas right now and bet your life savings that if the Chiefs draft a QB, people will be pushing for him to start game 1 regardless of whether he's ready. On the radio shows, on the internet, booing at the stadium.

That's the downside to not having done it in so long. Fans will have zero patience. "Might as well see if he can cut it!"

The poor bastard will be walking into a buzz saw.

So the "source " insinuated that the Chiefs were leaning towards Mahomes?

I'll be pissed if they select Mcaffrey

Thats what I see Mccaffrey as in the NFL, a gadget player. Hes a talented player, maybe even one that could be the icing on the cake for a few teams, but hes a luxury pick if your taking him in the 1st rd

Yep.

Mccafrey A 1st round pick on a guy with the potential to make an impact such as....maybe Julian Edelman? You guys are crazy.

ILB or DB with the #1 if we're not smoking the reefer

Watch us trade back into the 2nd round ROFL

Everyone talking about Mahomes like he's the next Cam Newton ( minus the meaningful wins, confidence, athletic ability, and accolades during college play )

And I hate Cam Newton.

i smoke the reefer, and i do not believe kc should draft for any position except defense in round one. i don't care what position. :D

if kc is eyeing mahomes, it's because i assume dorsey see's the next favre in him? :D

Alex fan boy is freaking out that KC is going to move on , and let go Alex

i can't stand alex, but it makes sense not to reach for a qb in round one.

if anything i would try and trade for teddy b. it gives him another year to recover, no huge cash involved, and minimal draft hit due to the injury. but what do i know :D

Mahomes was in Houston the past 2 days...Watson due in town today. McAffery is due to visit Denver. Doesn't mean much, just that these guys are on several teams lists who pick ahead of KC.
No way Id reach too far for a for a QB in this draft, but if their guy is a QB and if he is there close to when KC picks, they will likely have to move up to get him.

if i had my way, kc would grab a corner in round 1, then trade up again for a LB in round 2. having already acquired bridgewater, you can now go for a running back. (kc isn't going to give up on ware and west YET) :D

Only an idiot would trade up for a RB, and only a bigger ****ing idiot would trade up for a Reggie Bush type RB.

What? Teddy is over and done. The kid had his lower leg completely separate from his upper leg at the knee like he was in a car wreck. He will never play again and will be lucky if he can walk normal. Running and moving latterly will not happen enough to play not to mention his knee taking a shot will be impossible.

Houston still has their 2nd rounder this year. They traded their 2018 2nd round pick to Cleveland.

The only exception I would make to trading up for Offense is giving up a third to get Corey Davis. He seems perfect for a WCO

Thank God Tiger isn't in charge. Moving up for a WR with Alex Smith.

Talk about a complete waste of resources.