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DaneMcCloud 01-07-2017 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 12665918)
Taking everyones word for it that 2018 is the year to go get a QB, lets not reach for it this year

Load up on players at ILB, OLB, RB etc this year

I don't think it would be a "reach" to take a guy that needs some development.

With the Chiefs drafting at the bottom of each round, they'll either need to trade away the farm for a chance at a guy or draft a developmental guy.

As much as some people seem to be against Mahomes in the late first, I feel better about developing him than Paxton Lynch, whom I never felt comfortable drafting.

Easy 6 01-07-2017 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12665970)
I don't think it would be a "reach" to take a guy that needs some development.

With the Chiefs drafting at the bottom of each round, they'll either need to trade away the farm for a chance at a guy or draft a developmental guy.

As much as some people seem to be against Mahomes in the late first, I feel better about developing him than Paxton Lynch, whom I never felt comfortable drafting.

Eh, its just my two bits on the matter... I'm not the draftnik many of you are, I'm learning though

But if 2018 is the stronger class, thats the one I'd rather pick from

Yet at the end of the day, I'm casting my lot with whatever John Dorsey and Andy Reid want to do... if they love Mahome or whoever, then by God snatch them up asap

This regime has earned my unwavering trust when it comes to the draft... rock solid all along, then capped it off with 2016 where they found Pro Bowl caliber starters on both sides of the ball

Theres no point in arguing with that IMO

milkman 01-07-2017 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 12665995)
Eh, its just my two bits on the matter... I'm not the draftnik many of you are, I'm learning though

But if 2018 is the stronger class, thats the one I'd rather pick from

Yet at the end of the day, I'm casting my lot with whatever John Dorsey and Andy Reid want to do... if they love Mahome or whoever, then by God snatch them up asap

This regime has earned my unwavering trust when it comes to the draft... rock solid all along, then capped it off with 2016 where they found Pro Bowl caliber starters on both sides of the ball

Theres no point in arguing with that IMO

I am in no hurry to draft a QB, so I'm good with waiting until 2018.

Not a fan of Smith, but he isn't an anchor, and I fully expect he'll be the starter here for the next 2 years, so there's no rush.

If they do draft a developmental guy this year, however, I'd be all in on Josh Dobbs as a mid to late round flyer.

Nice arm talent, needs to put on some weight, and he has the kind of poise and compasure you just can't teach.

Easy 6 01-07-2017 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12666025)
Not a fan of Smith, but he isn't an anchor, and I fully expect he'll be the starter here for the next 2 years

Make it just one more year, and we'll call it a deal :D

Seriously, I do hate to be that way, and definitely didnt start out that way... I firmly recall the days of trolling Smith haters harshly when he got his big money extension

Laughing in their faces, rubbing it in

Its just that I'm ready for more of a gunslinger type at this point

Chiefaholic 01-07-2017 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by thabear04 (Post 12665373)
And if Chiefs wants to move up they can trade those picks.

I'm not 100% positive about this, but I'm pretty sure comp picks can't be traded.

milkman 01-07-2017 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefaholic (Post 12666107)
I'm not 100% positive about this, but I'm pretty sure comp picks can't be traded.

Nope.

Comp picks can now be traded.

RINGLEADER 01-07-2017 07:39 PM

Hopefully Dorsey does what he did this year and trades out of the first for a second and fourth then uses the second second to trade for a 1st in 2018. Bonus if it is with Cleveland.

Mr. Laz 01-07-2017 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12665948)
Not sure if I would consider those positions as "needs" except ILB. All of the other positions seem to just be depth.

I'm still leaning pass rusher at this point

You don't think we needed depth this year?


everything is a need, just depends on which is the bigger priority


QBs and Pass rushers are always 'needed'

Coach 01-07-2017 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12666440)
You don't think we needed depth this year?


everything is a need, just depends on which is the bigger priority


QBs and Pass rushers are always 'needed'

The biggest issue in terms of depth is LB's. We're pretty thin on LB's (ILB) and will need to get some more OLB's, since Dadi Nichols most likely won't be available in 2017, Hali's role may be reduced due to age/wear and tear, and th wildcard is Houston's health.

You can't have enough pass-rushers, so I expect KC to get another one.

I also anticipate KC to find another OL and probably another DL.

Direckshun 01-07-2017 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 12665792)
Donks made out like bandits. Two 3rd rounders & a 4th. Damn.

It does always seem like they are one step ahead of us.

It was so satisfying to can their asses twice this year.

Easy 6 01-07-2017 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 12666545)
It does always seem like they are one step ahead of us.

It was so satisfying to can their asses twice this year.

Just wait until we sign another mercenary HOF QB!

/krankdickweed

kcchiefsus 01-07-2017 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12665360)
I would add that the 2018 QB class looks amazing and if we can't find that guy this year, I think the plan should be to stock up for a move in that draft.

LMAO at the Chiefs actually being successful at finding a QB.

Dunerdr 01-07-2017 09:42 PM

I would say our actual needs are a high quality inside linebacker and imo we could use a higher quality running back, not knocking ware. And I think dorsey shown he's always after pass rushers,qbs, and linemen.

kcchiefsus 01-07-2017 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12666025)
I am in no hurry to draft a QB, so I'm good with waiting until 2018.

Not a fan of Smith, but he isn't an anchor, and I fully expect he'll be the starter here for the next 2 years, so there's no rush.

If they do draft a developmental guy this year, however, I'd be all in on Josh Dobbs as a mid to late round flyer.

Nice arm talent, needs to put on some weight, and he has the kind of poise and compasure you just can't teach.

Then you're a ****ing idiot.

Red Dawg 01-07-2017 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kcchiefsus (Post 12666716)
Then you're a ****ing idiot.

The kid is electric. Full of potential. You sir are the idiot.

CoMoChief 01-07-2017 11:02 PM

That Dobbs kid does look the part.

Has Alex Smith's legs (maybe faster)

But has a much better arm.

He's small though.

kcchiefsus 01-07-2017 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 12666735)
The kid is electric. Full of potential. You sir are the idiot.

Wasn't a knock on Dobbs. Believing there is no rush to find a QB is what makes Milkman an idiot.

milkman 01-08-2017 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by kcchiefsus (Post 12666879)
Wasn't a knock on Dobbs. Believing there is no rush to find a QB is what makes Milkman an idiot.

No, dipshit, I am not a idiot.

I see no rush because I fully expect Alex Smith to be the starter for the next 2 seasons, at the least, and possibly more.

It is not my choice for that to happen.
It is what I expect happen.

Were it my choice, Alex Smith would never have been a KC QB.

BossChief 01-08-2017 12:45 AM

I'm not much of a fan for trading for future picks.

I'd love to see them make moves by trading up, though.

Go up and grab some guys Dorsey thinks will be difference makers.

FAs this year and next...

Poe
Berry

Dee Ford (KC will need to exercise his option, or he becomes a FA after next season)
Sherman
Howard
Colquitt
Foles (if he's still here)
Gaines
Acker
LDT
Mitchell

That's potentially a huge offseason if guys make the jump a lot of players do between years 3 and 4.

This draft is a perfect draft to get some replacements and added competition at those spots.

TigeRRUppeRRcut 01-08-2017 12:48 AM

I'm going to go ahead and say this team is in the best position of any NFL team going forward (talent wise, coaching and cap situation)

NJChiefsFan 01-08-2017 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 12666939)
I'm not much of a fan for trading for future picks.

I'd love to see them make moves by trading up, though.

Go up and grab some guys Dorsey thinks will be difference makers.

FAs this year and next...

Poe
Berry

Dee Ford (KC will need to exercise his option, or he becomes a FA after next season)
Sherman
Howard
Colquitt
Foles (if he's still here)
Gaines
Acker
LDT
Mitchell

That's potentially a huge offseason if guys make the jump a lot of players do between years 3 and 4.

This draft is a perfect draft to get some replacements and added competition at those spots.

I agree with your overall point but we also have a lot of contacts coming off soon, potentially by the 2018 off-season when the second list of guys need to get paid. Only Ford and possibly Howard will be big contacts.

Hoover 01-08-2017 07:33 AM

Keep drafting olinemen and DBs in the middle rounds and free agency isn't so bad.

You let guys like LDT walk is you can't get them cheap. Let some other team pay them in free agency and then we get a comp pick.

KChiefs1 01-08-2017 09:04 AM

Tell me about this amazing QB class in 2018.



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Chief Roundup 01-08-2017 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 12666939)
I'm not much of a fan for trading for future picks.

I'd love to see them make moves by trading up, though.

Go up and grab some guys Dorsey thinks will be difference makers.

FAs this year and next...

Poe
Berry

Dee Ford (KC will need to exercise his option, or he becomes a FA after next season)
Sherman
Howard
Colquitt
Foles (if he's still here)
Gaines
Acker
LDT
Mitchell

That's potentially a huge offseason if guys make the jump a lot of players do between years 3 and 4.

This draft is a perfect draft to get some replacements and added competition at those spots.

Poe, Berry, Sorenson, Reyes, Wilson, Winchester and Santos are all important in their own ways this off season as well.

Gaines can be let go he sucks. I like LDT and all but RG is not an expensive position. Sherman is awesome but FB is also not an expensive position and how much do we really utilize him anyway??? Howard is expendable with Jones on the roster. Foles will be figured out this offseason with his huge cap number. I am hoping he is gone.

There are RFA and ERFA that will need to be signed in both the next couple of offseasons.

Chief Roundup 01-08-2017 09:26 AM

We also need to be looking at ILB position. DJ is an unknown at this point, but Wilson and Liliard are both RFA in 2018 as well as Smith who is a ERFA. Mauga wil be a UFA then as well.

BryanBusby 01-08-2017 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 12666025)
I am in no hurry to draft a QB, so I'm good with waiting until 2018.

Not a fan of Smith, but he isn't an anchor, and I fully expect he'll be the starter here for the next 2 years, so there's no rush.

If they do draft a developmental guy this year, however, I'd be all in on Josh Dobbs as a mid to late round flyer.

Nice arm talent, needs to put on some weight, and he has the kind of poise and compasure you just can't teach.

Dobbs? LMAO

Dobbs is more athlete than a QB.

His play was basically:
-Look at pre-determined target. Is he super covered? Yes? Okay, lets run.

Not super covered? Lets heave this pass and hope its on the mark.

His future is at WR.

saphojunkie 01-08-2017 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Trivers (Post 12665298)
More Ammo for Dorsey's replacement!!!

FYP

saphojunkie 01-08-2017 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12666944)
I'm going to go ahead and say this team is in the best position of any NFL team going forward (talent wise, coaching and cap situation)

You're gonna go ahead and be wrong, then.


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