I mean he hasn't consistently gotten to the QB and hasn't been good in the run game but I think he is improving in that regard this season just from the eye test. He still has some time but needs to build off this and harass Brees this weekend.

Look, we all know Ford is a bust. What this thread presupposes is...


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Nope. He didn't lead the NFL in sacks his first year, so he's a CP bust. He isn't on pace for the all-time sack record this year, so he should probably be cut in the off season to make roster space for a real pass rusher.

This place has gotten beyond ridiculous.

Or if people would pay attention when he plays well but doesn't actually finish the play.

He's not lollygagging in Q1-3, he's just not always finishing the play off and people are ignoring him when he just does his job. I read the post-game reactions here and am oftentimes left to wonder if we're just watching a different game. People will absolutely wreck Ford and when I watched I saw a guy that played fine. Not amazing, but solid, yeoman's work from a guy that's a solid but unspectacular player.

Ford's been fine this year, even when people were excoriating him. He's not amazing and not a guy I'd be looking to build around. I wouldn't even guarantee him a roster spot past his rookie deal. But the blame he's taken 'round here has been absurd.

Opposite a healthy and normal houston, Ford has show this year to be about what they expected/wanted him to be.

If Houston is back and playing well, a rotation of ford and hali will be nice

I watch Ford at times and he does get to the QB but it's just too late at times. I'm a lot happier with him this year that's for sure. Now let's see him build from here. Mother****er sure has the clutch gene at times with his timely sacks, turnovers forced and play against SD last season on the last play against Woodhead.

Ford is going to have to play since Hali can barely play a half.

Let's be honest here.

Ford has only made any real impact against 3rd string tackles as a pass rusher.

He's improved against the run, and has had a couple of passes defensed, but he has not developed as a pass rusher and is not generating any kind of consistent pressure, and as you stated, is not finishing when he does.

That simply is not good enough.

I think you need to watch Sunday's game again

Losing his eye sight

Why would I need to rewatch Sunday's game?

I am not talking about a single game.
I am talking about his overall performance in 5 games.

He has one good game against Austin Howard.

He has 4 marginal games against starters.

He could've been Justin Houston and we'd have lost both of the games we lost still.

My points is that he's taking far more heat than he deserves. People are still trying to argue that Zombo is a better player and acting like the guys on the other side of the ball aren't getting paid to play this game as well. He's not a great player and isn't likely to ever be a great player, but he's been servicable and hasn't been the reason we've lost any of the games we've lost.

You see more shit thrown at him on Twitter during the game than virtually anybody else on the roster, as though getting blocked out is a mortal sin. It's just ridiculous. Hell, it's not like he was even a top 10 pick; most guys taken where he was taken AREN'T Marcus Peters. If you get a servicable player, you're doing fine.

If he had a full season worth of playing time, he'd be a 10 sack guy, IMO. That's pretty damn decent.

You need to rewatch Sunday's game bc what you posted isn't right. Ford's first sack was against LT Donald Penn who is PFF's 9th rated OT.
His first sack against SD was against Joe Barksdale, one of PFF's higher ranked OT's last season.

I saw that.
He got that quick burst and got around the corner before Penn could get his hands on him and get set.

He will get a few of those, but he hasn't shown any consistency, and his best games have been playing primarily against SD and Oakland backups.

One play against a quality tackle is an aberration.

Howard was even Oakland's starting RT last season, and played well mostly. The quality of opponent argument does not work in this case.

He played so well that he isn't a starter anymore.

According to PFF, he was good. Well above average.

PFF has its flaws, though.

DJ with another good post.

People need to be objective about this guy. Saying he only gets sacks on backups is lazy. Half of his sacks are against starters that are actually really good. And who the **** cares if he gets some sacks on backups? Like any pass rusher hasn't done that before? Remember Khalil Mack getting 5 sacks (Half of his total sack count) in Denver on a shitty RT named Schofield? Remember Houston beating up on bad OT's that were on bad teams? Every rusher gets those sacks.

People seem to forget that OL play is bad league wide.

The facts are that Ford has 3.5 sacks as a rotational player.

54
62
28 (hurt hand)
41
43

228 total snaps and 3.5 sacks and a fumble. That's not full time work. Houston was getting over 70 snaps a game, so Ford doing this with fewer opportunities is surprising.

This is the same argument I used to have with Knowmo when he was yapping about Dumerville vs. Allen (I think it was Allen anyway).

Almost no pass rushers show the consistency you think they do. Most of the big time sack artists get the bulk of their sacks in a handful of their games and are usually stonewalled by the best OLs. The truly HoF caliber guys can get theirs pretty consistently but the merely good get theirs in spurts and aren't out there wrecking Pro Bowl LTs with any regularity.

Just like the "your second round picks should be immediate starters" argument so many like to make, we have a ridiculously high bar for our own players and rarely look to their contemporaries on other teams. If Ford goes out there and gets 10 sacks, 70% of which come against average or worse tackles, then he's really just doing what relatively decent pass rushers do. He's not beating up the elite and he's not getting stoned by the shitty. He's in that squishy middle where he's good enough to play but not so good that you just write his name in ink and move along.

That's a hell of a lot better than most are willing to give him credit for.

I get your point.

My point is that he is still the same guy he was two years ago.
He hasn't developed any pass rush skills beyond his initial burst and speed, and if he ever will be anything more than he is now, he has to have more than that single attribute.

Yeah, but if he can just do a credible job against the run (and he has), he could be little more than he is now as a pass rusher and be a pretty valuable player on the weak side.

My long-term goals for Ford never had much to do with how well he plays the strong side next to Hali but rather how well he can play the weak side next to Houston. I think he's shown enough doing the harder job this year to establish that he can complement Houston pretty nicely.

This definitely has merit.

If you're not talking in the 3rd person, shit has hit the fan.

Because half the buttholes here read something and take it as gospel.

I said a while ago, trashing Ford became en vogue around here. They're not actually paying attention to his play. If he doesn't get a sack or force a fumble he's the suck!

We've had this debate before, but I still don't think Ford needs to develop a multitude of pass rush moves to be successful. He's always gonna be a speed guy, that's what he's gonna live off off.

He just needs to show a few others. Rip and under, power, spin etc just to keep guys off balance.

He's done that this year.

Again the tape is not showing this.

Ford is by no means Houston when it comes to the bull rush, but he's gotten stronger and it's shown. The Peters INT happened bc Ford used the bull rush and it forced Carr to move in the pocket.

Here's an inside move he used and forced Carr to flee the pocket in a hurry.

https://twitter.com/realmnchiefsfan/...72117607010305

I'd say that was an effective 2nd move.

Ford has definitely improved since last year. Hali has been playing very well too, so if/when JH comes back it will be a nice rotation.

Not at all fair.

I bet if you take all of his starts, he's been one of the best edge guys at getting pressure and sacks during that timeframe.

Apart from that, he was pretty damn good against Oakland. I'm watching the all 22 and he's providing consistent pressure.

Slowly backtracking your original statement because it's wrong and not factual. Well done

Hmm. I'm not really seeing a backtrack.

Assuming that Ford hasnt hit his ceiling in 5 games worth of starts, assuming that there is still growth as a football player left in him... I feel MUCH better about him than I did to start the season

He has begun to display the necessary bend to turn the corner and not consistently be ridden out of the picture, and his run defense has definitely improved as well

If he can continue along his current track, we will all be pleasantly surprised with what he looks like toward the end of the regular season

Me either, I see a good conversation and people with open minds discussing.

He might not be flashing all game but he's made 3 game winning plays so far. Closed it out.

I think he'll fill the Hali role fine next year with a healthy Houston...

No doubt, Houston back at 100% changes the dynamic of the entire defense

I don't think it's even debatable that the pressure killed the play.

And that's why some people(not necessarily lil' stumpy) end up having ridiculous arguments. They are so dead set on making a point and never acknowledging that the other poster can convince them of something. That isn't a weakness.

i simply think if he spoke like mike tyson, and not michael jackson, we would take him more seriously :D

seriously though, one never knows if a player will be good unless he gets on the field and is getting reps. he may be taking on the weaker tackles of the opponents. but let him continue. between hali and houston on the other side (dont take ford out, make hali houstons breather), and the interior line. i really don't think we have to worry about the lack of pass rush any time soon.

Huh? Mike Tyson doesn't have a tough sounding voice at all. Maybe you should have used George Foreman and Boy George for your reference.

Jackson might have sounded tougher than Tyson lol

So how do we expect him to do this week against the Jags? Sacks come in bunches it seems. Can he get another multi sack game tomorrow? How is the Jax offensive line?

the point of reference was that even though tyson didn't sound tough, he would state how he would chew your face off, rather than talk about butterflies and rabbits :D

Ah. Gotcha. Still wouldn't have used Tyson though just because of the voice. Plenty of other tough talkers out there. Ali actually talked about butterflies and still sounded tough. lol. Hell, go with Hulk Hogan.

if anything i would have made a wayans crack. you have listened to dee ford talk, right :D

Yeah I've heard him. He doesn't sound like the sharpest guy on the team or talk like a tough guy. Don't mind me. I just found the Mike Tyson statement to be funny and had to rib you about it.

Maybe not.


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