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DJ's left nut 03-10-2016 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12123834)
His pro day is next Wednesday.
The problem is that if he does well, he probably doesn't make it to 28. If he does poorly, we may not want to gamble on him.

Best case scenario is probably that he sells the Steelers on his health, they take him and Apple falls. I just don't see a situation where he falls to us AND Dorsey is comfortable gambling on him.

ToxSocks 03-10-2016 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 12123622)
We will see how good Sean Smith really is with a bunch of no named safeties behind him.

Raiders have literally nobody else in their secondary worth a shit and will still probably give up 350 pass yards a game and have to score 30 points to try and win every week. They have zero talent there besides their new 10 million dollar man
Expect the Raiders to hard after Eric Weddle.

O.city 03-10-2016 10:51 AM
If the Dat to SF for Eric reid rumor has legs and goes thru, I'm gonna drive the truck for Braxton miller at 28.

staylor26 03-10-2016 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12123867)
If the Dat to SF for Eric reid rumor has legs and goes thru, I'm gonna drive the truck for Braxton miller at 28.
I don't think Braxton Miller is a 1st rounder. I'd rather see if him or Shepard can make it to our 2nd pick and draft a corner.

I'd love to have Reid for Branch's replacement though.

the Talking Can 03-10-2016 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12123627)
Basically, this.

What the hell has happened to TTC guys and who's this posting all reasonable for him?
the longer we have to evaluate his moves, the more impressive the results are...yesterday's signings are straight robbery and coming off a killer draft, what can i do but offer him my starfish?

i actually prefer not complaining, but the chiefs were a clown car on fire for a couple decades

i never get worked up about the ku jayhawks because i know they're run by the best so all i have to do is watch and enjoy it (also why i can't stand most ku fans, they spend their miserable lives looking for reasons to be miserable)....Dorsey inspires a bit of that feeling


all he needs to do now is make lynch fall to us and I can retire

jdubya 03-10-2016 10:57 AM
Reggie has fixed the Raider books. Reggie has been drafting well. Reggie working the free agent market well. Raiders are getting better every year now. These aren't Al Davis' Raiders anymore.

The Franchise 03-10-2016 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12123867)
If the Dat to SF for Eric reid rumor has legs and goes thru, I'm gonna drive the truck for Braxton miller at 28.
Paxton Lynch or CB.

O.city 03-10-2016 10:58 AM
No qb in the forst round this year for us. No thanks.


Flame away

RunKC 03-10-2016 10:59 AM
FWIW Mackensie Alexander ran a 4.4 and had a 37.5 vertical at his pro day today.

Mr. Laz 03-10-2016 11:01 AM
Shepard would be nice


Corner in the 1st and a WR like Miller in the 2nd would work too

DJ's left nut 03-10-2016 11:02 AM
I'd still be willing to take a DE if the right guy was sitting there.

Poe's still a fluid situation and we know Howard can play NT in this system. If you can get a DE that's capable of stepping in for Howard if we let Poe walk, that's not a bad use of a pick. Moreover, we still don't know if DeVito will be back and Bailey's about to get to the more expensive part of his deal (after disappointing quite a bit this year).

I'm still leaning CB or DL. I think those are areas of legitimate need for the team and I also think that's where the value will be in this draft due to the depth of the available prospects. There are going to be some damn good DL and CB prospects available to us at 28.

the Talking Can 03-10-2016 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12123699)
Is it really? Or do you really just like Lynch?

I know everyone always moans about the 'wait 'till next year' answer, but look at it objectively and isn't next year really a better time to take the QB?

What starters will need to be replaced next season? As I see it, none of them. The full allotment of starters on this team appear to be under control for the next 2 seasons at least (presuming a Berry extension and the ability to tag Poe). We'll also have our full complement of draft picks. Moreover, we'll get max benefit from the QB as well.

If we take a QB now, we'll be looking at almost certainly 2 years of his rookie contract being burned as a backup. If we take him next season, we'll probably only burn one of those years off and be able to move on from Smith in 2018 when his cap hit is $20 million and his dead money is only $3.6. That was always the most likely year to move on from him and it remains so. We would then have a full 4 seasons of the rookie QB still to use up before we have to pay him like a grown up.

We wouldn't be looking to replace starters in the 2017 draft and we'd have all of our picks plus any potential comp picks. I figure that Smith and Schwartz will offset but it's also possible that Allen's shocker of a deal offsets Schwartz, giving us a 'net' of Smith's deal and Daniel's surprisingly expensive contract. That could realistically net us 2 fourth rounders in '17.

Most of the ceteris paribus sort of factors here point to 2017 being the better year to draft a QB and by a fair amount. The only wild card truly is the available talent.

If you believe that Paxton Lynch (should he be available) is a legitimate franchise guy then you go ahead and take him. But you're not taking him because the time is ideal - you're taking him because the player is ideal and the timing is tolerable.
both

i don't care about 'burning 2 years of his contract'...if you think he's the guy, take him...sitting for 1,2,3 years makes no difference to me, acquiring him is the only thing that matters

Lynch, if he fell, would be the best raw materials in a QB to ever stare us in the face...

we can absolutely afford to take him now, we have only 1 real need, a cb...but a qbotf trumps that, if available

O.city 03-10-2016 11:03 AM
Yeah, dl is probably the logical way to go.

CB too.

O.city 03-10-2016 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 12123909)
both

i don't care about 'burning 2 years of his contract'...if you think he's the guy, take him...sitting for 1,2,3 years makes no difference to me, acquiring him is the only thing that matters

Lynch, if he fell, would be the best raw materials in a QB to ever stare us in the face...

we can absolutely afford to take him now, we have only 1 real need, a cb...but a qbotf trumps that, if available
Financially, having a guy sit for 3 years just doesn't work. He's gonna then start year 4 and you've gotta make decisions in the osweiler form at that point.

the Talking Can 03-10-2016 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12123914)
Financially, having a guy sit for 3 years just doesn't work. He's gonna then start year 4 and you've gotta make decisions in the osweiler form at that point.
well, he wouldn't sit for 3 years likely...and still, don't care

if he's the guy, you take him and figure it out later

staylor26 03-10-2016 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12123899)
FWIW Mackensie Alexander ran a 4.4 and had a 37.5 vertical at his pro day today.
Those are pretty good #'s for him.

I just hate Pro Days bc the 40 times are always better.

DJ's left nut 03-10-2016 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12123914)
Financially, having a guy sit for 3 years just doesn't work. He's gonna then start year 4 and you've gotta make decisions in the osweiler form at that point.
And again - you're seeing very few teams win championship with QBs on big money deals right now.

It's not just 'get your franchise QB', it's 'get a franchise QB for cheap'. The longer you have that, the longer your window is truly open.

Because the moment you're paying Matt Ryan $25 million, your window has slammed shut. Even Drew Brees at his money is getting in the way of the Saints winning championships. The Pats won when Brady took a paycut, likewise with the Broncos. Rookie deals and/or veterans who've been paid and are looking to win one last ring. Teams just are not winning championships on the backs of quarterbacks sitting on that big 2nd contract.

Maximizing the number of cheap years you get from your QB, especially if 1 or 2 of those can come after he's already learned the ropes, is the best way to win that title, IMO. If you can get a guy who sits the bench for a year, takes a beating as a starter in year 2, hits his stride in year 3 and then kicks ass and takes names in years 4 and 5, you're just way way WAY ahead of the game and in so doing, you've effectively doubled the length of time that you have your best shot at a title (years 4 and 5, instead of just year 5).

O.city 03-10-2016 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12123929)
And again - you're seeing very few teams win championship with QBs on big money deals right now.

It's not just 'get your franchise QB', it's 'get a franchise QB for cheap'. The longer you have that, the longer your window is truly open.

Because the moment you're paying Matt Ryan $25 million, your window has slammed shut. Even Drew Brees at his money is getting in the way of the Saints winning championships. The Pats won when Brady took a paycut, likewise with the Broncos. Rookie deals and/or veterans who've been paid and are looking to win one last ring. Teams just are not winning championships on the backs of quarterbacks sitting on that big 2nd contract.

Maximizing the number of cheap years you get from your QB, especially if 1 or 2 of those can come after he's already learned the ropes, is the best way to win that title, IMO. If you can get a guy who sits the bench for a year, takes a beating as a starter in year 2, hits his stride in year 3 and then kicks ass and takes names in years 4 and 5, you're just way way WAY ahead of the game and in so doing, you've effectively doubled the length of time that you have your best shot at a title (years 4 and 5, instead of just year 5).
I think franchises are starting to catch up with this. Or maybe it's just that there aren't any big qbs worth a big deal, but with th cap going up, for the chiefs right now, having smith at what we do is pretty nice.

Apparently they're expecting a big jump in the cap next year as well.

the Talking Can 03-10-2016 11:18 AM
unless you can guarantee that a qbotf (i.e. someone you believe is a qbotf) will be available to you at whatever pick you have next year, this is all a waste of time

when 'the guy' is there, you take him...absolutely nothing else matters

if you think lynch is the guy, you draft him...the future is a lottery pick, this pick this year is a gift waiting to be opened

DJ's left nut 03-10-2016 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 12123940)
if you think lynch is the guy, you draft him...the future is a lottery pick, this pick this year is a gift waiting to be opened
I don't disagree.

But that's why I say it's the player and not the timing that dictates.

If Dorsey/Reid believe that Lynch is going to be a premier QB in this league - okay, works for me. But it's still not ideal. Ideally that guy would be available next season.

It's tolerable timing, but not perfect.

O.city 03-10-2016 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 12123940)
unless you can guarantee that a qbotf (i.e. someone you believe is a qbotf) will be available to you at whatever pick you have next year, this is all a waste of time

when 'the guy' is there, you take him...absolutely nothing else matters

if you think lynch is the guy, you draft him...the future is a lottery pick, this pick this year is a gift waiting to be opened
If they feel that way, yes, do it.

But the problem I see is you just don't know if he's the guy for atleast 2 or 3 years after you draft him.

RunKC 03-10-2016 11:25 AM
The Jets, Broncos and Browns are all fighting for Colin Kaepernick. That's 3 teams that are looking hard for a QB, and SF will make that 3 if one of those teams get him.

Add the Rams who are piddling Case ****ing Keenum.

I don't see any way the top 3 QB's even make it to pick 20.

the Talking Can 03-10-2016 11:27 AM
no sure i understand the jets bailing on fitzpatrick in order to trade picks for kaperwhatever

DJ's left nut 03-10-2016 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12123957)
The Jets, Broncos and Browns are all fighting for Colin Kaepernick. That's 3 teams that are looking hard for a QB, and SF will make that 3 if one of those teams get him.

Add the Rams who are piddling Case ****ing Keenum.

I don't see any way the top 3 QB's even make it to pick 20.
Yeah, if the Jets lose Fitzpatrick, I think you're probably right.

I figured on the Browns, 49ers and Rams snapping on the 'big 3' by pick 15. If the 49ers trade away Kaepernick, it's all but certain.

It still doesn't seem likely that Lynch falls to 28.

staylor26 03-10-2016 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12123957)
The Jets, Broncos and Browns are all fighting for Colin Kaepernick. That's 3 teams that are looking hard for a QB, and SF will make that 3 if one of those teams get him.

Add the Rams who are piddling Case ****ing Keenum.

I don't see any way the top 3 QB's even make it to pick 20.
This. I love Lynch, but I haven't even entertained the discussion because I'm 100% sure he's gone before we pick.

DJ's left nut 03-10-2016 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 12123960)
no sure i understand the jets bailing on fitzpatrick in order to trade picks for kaperwhatever
Seems odd to drive up the price for potential competitors for Fitzpatrick.

If you're the Jets, don't you want the Broncos to get a clean deal done for Kaepernick so they're not bidding up the market for Fitz?

And ultimately I don't think the Browns are really fighting that hard for Kaepernick. I think they're set on going QB at 2, as well they should be.

staylor26 03-10-2016 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12123966)
Seems odd to drive up the price for potential competitors for Fitzpatrick.

If you're the Jets, don't you want the Broncos to get a clean deal done for Kaepernick so they're not bidding up the market for Fitz?

And ultimately I don't think the Browns are really fighting that hard for Kaepernick. I think they're set on going QB at 2, as well they should be.
Wentz is a lock at #2 and a STUD. Have you taken a look at him yet?

The Franchise 03-10-2016 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 12123960)
no sure i understand the jets bailing on fitzpatrick in order to trade picks for kaperwhatever
Fitz just saw that Cousins is going to get $19 million this year and Osweiler is averaging $18 million a year on his contract. The market essentially priced Fitz out of the Jets plans.

DJ's left nut 03-10-2016 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12123978)
Wentz is a lock at #2 and a STUD. Have you taken a look at him yet?
Yeah, he'd be my pick at 2 as well.

I don't know that I see this 'combination of Andrew Luck and Big Ben' kind of hype being put forward by Mayock. To me he looks like a more polished, savvy Ryan Tannehill. Which is to say that he looks damn good because I've long been a fan of Tannehill's skill-set, I just think his head gets in his way (not shocking given his relatively late transition to QB).

The only thing that would keep me from taking Wentz if I were Cleveland is SD leapfrogging me to take him at 1. The good news for them is that the signing bonus SD gave Rivers makes him pretty much impossible to trade or cut in the next 3 seasons so I can't imagine they'll be looking QB. Mistake on SDs part, IMO.

DJ's left nut 03-10-2016 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 12123982)
Fitz just saw that Cousins is going to get $19 million this year and Osweiler is averaging $18 million a year on his contract. The market essentially priced Fitz out of the Jets plans.
Okay, so who's plans would he be in, then?

Because the Broncos seem to have just sent a pretty loud signal that they ain't lookin' to spend $18 million on a quarterback. The Browns can't sell him to their fans.

Fitzpatrick's market may just dry up on him unless SF decides for some odd reason that they want to trade Kaepernick only to open their wallets for Fitz. I guess I could see the Rams paying a bit; they've got the space and the need. They also have the ability to hit the ground running in their new city if they can get credible QB play and use that #15 pick finding him a weapon.

The Franchise 03-10-2016 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12124002)
Okay, so who's plans would he be in, then?

Because the Broncos seem to have just sent a pretty loud signal that they ain't lookin' to spend $18 million on a quarterback. The Browns can't sell him to their fans.

Fitzpatrick's market may just dry up on him unless SF decides for some odd reason that they want to trade Kaepernick only to open their wallets for Fitz. I guess I could see the Rams paying a bit; they've got the space and the need. They also have the ability to hit the ground running in their new city if they can get credible QB play and use that #15 pick finding him a weapon.
Oh, I fully agree with you. Fitz is going to price himself out of everyone's market and end up settling on a team late in FA if he keeps this shit up. He needs to re-sign with the Jets because that offense is perfect for him.

staylor26 03-10-2016 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12123995)
Yeah, he'd be my pick at 2 as well.

I don't know that I see this 'combination of Andrew Luck and Big Ben' kind of hype being put forward by Mayock. To me he looks like a more polished, savvy Ryan Tannehill. Which is to say that he looks damn good because I've long been a fan of Tannehill's skill-set, I just think his head gets in his way (not shocking given his relatively late transition to QB).

The only thing that would keep me from taking Wentz if I were Cleveland is SD leapfrogging me to take him at 1. The good news for them is that the signing bonus SD gave Rivers makes him pretty much impossible to trade or cut in the next 3 seasons so I can't imagine they'll be looking QB. Mistake on SDs part, IMO.
I think the Luck comparison is about his sneaky athleticism, and football IQ. He made all the protection calls at the line of scrimmage and had the freedom to audible to whatever he wanted. I like the Tannehill comparison in terms of athleticism for sure, but he definitely has it up stair it appears. Word is he blew everybody away in his combine interviews.

lawrenceRaider 03-10-2016 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 12123982)
Fitz just saw that Cousins is going to get $19 million this year and Osweiler is averaging $18 million a year on his contract. The market essentially priced Fitz out of the Jets plans.
Osweiler getting that contract makes Alex Smith's contract look like a bargain.

lawrenceRaider 03-10-2016 12:05 PM
Oh and thanks for the CB.

ct 03-10-2016 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 12123761)
Yep. Give me Smith over Tamba or Johnson.
no way, smith is overrated to me. he's very good, he is NOT great. put him in a box and he can do well, but if he has to exceed that small range he's a liability. we can do better. and we sure as hell shouldn't be paying him $10M per.

pugsnotdrugs19 03-10-2016 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 12124071)
Oh and thanks for the CB.
No, we'll be saying thank you when Schwartz is locking up Mack, and Maclin is torching Smith. :)

Kidding, sorta. Should be fun.

lawrenceRaider 03-10-2016 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 12124081)
No, we'll be saying thank you when Schwartz is locking up Mack, and Maclin is torching Smith. :)

Kidding, sorta. Should be fun.
It will be interesting to see if Amerson can build on the great showing he had the last half of 2015. If he merely plays at that same level, Oakland has a nice pair of CBs.

The Chiefs style of getting the ball out as quickly as possible helps to negate Mack's pass rush, though he's still a beast against the run as well.

Mother****erJones 03-10-2016 12:15 PM
KC and Oakland for the division. Denver will hang depending on the QB and their defense is still good. KC is better than Oakland still.

lawrenceRaider 03-10-2016 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 12124092)
KC and Oakland for the division. Denver will hang depending on the QB and their defense is still good. KC is better than Oakland still.
KC has to be the favorite. Established system and players. Your OL is still the biggest weakness to me, but that really didn't hamper you last year.

staylor26 03-10-2016 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 12124099)
KC has to be the favorite. Established system and players. Your OL is still the biggest weakness to me, but that really didn't hamper you last year.
Ummm we just signed arguably the best RT in football.

We're one of the few teams that have bookends at OT.

TribalElder 03-10-2016 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12124105)
Ummm we just signed arguably the best RT in football.

We're one of the few teams that have bookends at OT.
How many Alex dinks will Sean smith snatch

Mother****erJones 03-10-2016 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 12124099)
KC has to be the favorite. Established system and players. Your OL is still the biggest weakness to me, but that really didn't hamper you last year.
It's not going to be a weakness to be honest now. We signed arguably the best RT in the game. Fisher came on last year.
Morse is really good. We need guards possibly we'll see how they go into year two.

Mother****erJones 03-10-2016 12:24 PM
I'm curious to see how Oaklands defense progresses now. They still have needs at safety and DL. Maybe at ILB to I'm not sure I don't know their defense that well.

staylor26 03-10-2016 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 12124111)
How many Alex dinks will Sean smith snatch
Yea, you know because Alex Smith is interception prone and Smith is a ballhawk.

:rolleyes:

scho63 03-10-2016 12:27 PM
Figured Oakland would have a good shot to sign him. He is that street smart kind of guy that Oakland used to have back in the day.

Oakland will be tougher next year than Denver in my opinion. Denver coming off a SB win takes some air out of the balloon while Oakland is building a ton of talent. Can they finally not blow it and screw up late in games as they have for the last 20 years?

Mr. Laz 03-10-2016 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 12124099)
KC has to be the favorite. Established system and players. Your OL is still the biggest weakness to me, but that really didn't hamper you last year.
not anymore

Fisher - gave up 2 sacks last year? turning into a really solid LT
Morse - when healthy, stud
Fulton - Bear in a phone booth at center, hope he stays there
LDT - improved, still reaches too often
Schwartz - one of the best RTs in the league in recent years

all young and improving

we do need some depth though

Reid (G/T)
Pughsley (G/T)
Munyer (C)

scho63 03-10-2016 12:31 PM
AFW West looking like the good old tough division from back in the day. Just the Chargers suck. They look like a franchise stuck in the mud.

jLoy88 03-10-2016 12:31 PM
I don't see this improving them all that much, he is arguably worse or equal to Charles Woodson so not a whole lot has changed on their defensive front.

saphojunkie 03-10-2016 12:32 PM
Smaller deal than I imagined, but that's going to be dead cap money soon enough, and we have had enough of that around here.

With Howard and Schwartz getting signed, cornerback is top of the list.

staylor26 03-10-2016 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by jLoy88 (Post 12124140)
I don't see this improving them all that much, he is arguably worse or equal to Charles Woodson so not a whole lot has changed on their defensive front.
I'd say Smith's a little better, but I do agree it's almost a wash in the secondary.

If they get Weddle though...

Mother****erJones 03-10-2016 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by jLoy88 (Post 12124140)
I don't see this improving them all that much, he is arguably worse or equal to Charles Woodson so not a whole lot has changed on their defensive front.
Wut?

Skyy God 03-10-2016 12:34 PM
$10M per is pretty pricy for a stone handed CB

Sandy Vagina 03-10-2016 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 12124152)
$10M per is pretty pricy for a stone handed CB
... with pretty lousy make-up speed.

Mr. Laz 03-10-2016 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 12124152)
$10M per is pretty pricy for a stone handed CB
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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 12124166)
... with pretty lousy make-up speed.
Sean Smith is a faider now ... trash away!! :D

Rain Man 03-10-2016 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 12124152)
$10M per is pretty pricy for a stone handed CB
Yeah, I hate to see him go, but at least he won't be making interceptions against us.

I would agree that CB is suddenly a draft priority.

Stupid Goodell. Stealing our third round pick just so he could move the Patriots up a spot.

Rain Man 03-10-2016 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12124171)
Sean Smith is a faider now ... trash away!! :D
He drinks too much.

saphojunkie 03-10-2016 12:53 PM
Looking at the contracts now, how about we have that "Would you rather sign Howard or Smith" conversation again?

Enjoy your thirty year old skill position, Raiders. You'll have a couple of dead money cap years to remind you.

lawrenceRaider 03-10-2016 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 12124191)
Looking at the contracts now, how about we have that "Would you rather sign Howard or Smith" conversation again?

Enjoy your thirty year old skill position, Raiders. You'll have a couple of dead money cap years to remind you.
The money is all up front in the first couple of years. After that we walk away with little or no cap hit. Reggie has done all the FA deals he hands out like that.

WeathermanKumke 03-10-2016 12:57 PM
Love the clowns cursing out Sean smith because we didn't offer him a giant ass contract and had other needs to be filled. But again, those same morons said Geno Smith and RGKnee and other shit QBs were good. Can't wait to be at arrowhead and see Sean smith pick 6 Alex smith and rubs it in all the pathetic worthless white trash that get butthurt whenever a player leaves or doesn't do what they want.

WeathermanKumke 03-10-2016 12:58 PM
I bet you would have been all on your knees sucking his dick if he would have resigned with us

DJ's left nut 03-10-2016 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 12124193)
The money is all up front in the first couple of years. After that we walk away with little or no cap hit. Reggie has done all the FA deals he hands out like that.
The terms haven't been announced yet but if there's actually $20 million in guaranteed money, you've got him for 3 years.

I guess its possible that they still stuck with a low signing bonus and simply guaranteed his first and second year salaries to push that guarantee up a bit. In that case, they could escape after 2 seasons.

As is usually the case, the terms will dictate the 'real' contract. I don't believe those have been released yet.

lawrenceRaider 03-10-2016 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 12124112)
It's not going to be a weakness to be honest now. We signed arguably the best RT in the game. Fisher came on last year.
Morse is really good. We need guards possibly we'll see how they go into year two.
Mack picked up a pair of sacks against Swartz last year so . . .

saphojunkie 03-10-2016 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 12124193)
The money is all up front in the first couple of years. After that we walk away with little or no cap hit. Reggie has done all the FA deals he hands out like that.
Link?

lawrenceRaider 03-10-2016 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12124204)
The terms haven't been announced yet but if there's actually $20 million in guaranteed money, you've got him for 3 years.

I guess its possible that they still stuck with a low signing bonus and simply guaranteed his first and second year salaries to push that guarantee up a bit. In that case, they could escape after 2 seasons.

As is usually the case, the terms will dictate the 'real' contract. I don't believe those have been released yet.
All of Reggies deals have guaranteed salary with no or low signing bonuses. It's basically a two year deal with Raider options for years 3 & 4.

Mr. Laz 03-10-2016 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 12124206)
Mack picked up a pair of sacks against Swartz last year so . . .
Mack is a dam good player, he's going to get his


Schwartz owned VonMiller

i think Fisher has a pretty good record against VonMiller too.

Chiefs are building to beat Denver.

DJ's left nut 03-10-2016 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by WeathermanKumke (Post 12124202)
Love the clowns cursing out Sean smith because we didn't offer him a giant ass contract and had other needs to be filled. But again, those same morons said Geno Smith and RGKnee and other shit QBs were good. Can't wait to be at arrowhead and see Sean smith pick 6 Alex smith and rubs it in all the pathetic worthless white trash that get butthurt whenever a player leaves or doesn't do what they want.
Sean?

Sean's cousin?

This seems a wildly disproportionate amount of vitriol for what has been a pretty measured response from Chiefs fans.

Chiefnj2 03-10-2016 01:04 PM
Smith was stud at corner for KC. People acting like he was some JAG are clueless. Sutton NEEDS lockdown man corners.

Schwartz was a great signing on paper. Hopefully he pans out better than last years great signing on paper - Grubbs.

Loss of a third round pick sucks ass. Really dumb mistake by management.

Great deal for Howard. I guess the market for 1 year wonders wasn't as big as he thought with this draft class.

It's good to bring back DJ and Hali, especially for sentimental reasons, but at their age they are going to decline quickly. Hopefully the cap hits won't be too bad.

saphojunkie 03-10-2016 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 12124210)
All of Reggies deals have guaranteed salary with no or low signing bonuses. It's basically a two year deal with Raider options for years 3 & 4.
If it's true, then that's a pretty good deal, actually. But $20M guaranteed out of $40M total doesn't seem to add up to no signing bonus.

lawrenceRaider 03-10-2016 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12124211)
Mack is a dam good player, he's going to get his


Schwartz owned VonMiller

i think Fisher has a pretty good record against VonMiller too.

Chiefs are building to beat Denver.
Good. Denver needs to go down, and go down hard. I find it hard to believe they weren't circumventing the cap the last few years, just like the last time they won a Superbowl.

The big difference between Mack and Miller is that Mack can bull rush pretty near any OL where Miller has to run around them. Plus Mack can run around guys well when they set to try and stop his bull rush.

lawrenceRaider 03-10-2016 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 12124222)
If it's true, then that's a pretty good deal, actually. But $20M guaranteed out of $40M total doesn't seem to add up to no signing bonus.
First two years of salary at $10M/year most likely, though I'm not ruling out a signing bonus. Considering what CB's like Jenkins got, the Raiders have a pretty decent deal for Sean Smith. They may have even given him $12M in 2016 as guaranteed salary to lower the hit in later years.

TimeForWasp 03-10-2016 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 12123553)
Absolutely. Have to believe that CB will be a rd 1-2 selection.



Probably been mentioned, but is brother Schwartz worth bringing back for OG? so long as the deal is incentive-based for injuries/games played. Experienced depth along the OL, and familiarity with Andy's scheme.

?
Could work well. A lot of times brothers can read each others mind.

TigeRRUppeRRcut 03-10-2016 01:09 PM
Smith was a stud against mediocre to below average players in a Sutton scheme. He got absolutely lit by the bills, cincy and Pats. Maclin will torch him next season.

saphojunkie 03-10-2016 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 12124226)
Good. Denver needs to go down, and go down hard. I find it hard to believe they weren't circumventing the cap the last few years, just like the last time they won a Superbowl.

The big difference between Mack and Miller is that Mack can bull rush pretty near any OL where Miller has to run around them. Plus Mack can run around guys well when they set to try and stop his bull rush.
What this division lacks in QB play it makes up for in elite pass rushers.

DJ's left nut 03-10-2016 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 12124222)
If it's true, then that's a pretty good deal, actually. But $20M guaranteed out of $40M total doesn't seem to add up to no signing bonus.
Eh, he did it with Hudson's deal.

Hudson's had a huge roster bonus in it as well, driving the year 1 cap costs up. It gave Hudson a big immediate payday and put in a poison pill that leverage the Raiders cap space nicely.

His year 2 salary is guaranteed tomorrow.

If the Raiders went ahead and gave Smith something like a $5 million signing bonus with a $5 million base this season and $10 million base guaranteed next season, he'd end up with $20 million guaranteed and a contract that's pretty easy to get out of in 2018.

It wouldn't be that tough; just means guaranteed salaries. Not sure I'd take that risk with Smith, but at worst it only really bites them in the ass for 1 year (2017) given that they have monopoly money in terms of cap space for '16.

ct 03-10-2016 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12123944)
I don't disagree.

But that's why I say it's the player and not the timing that dictates.

If Dorsey/Reid believe that Lynch is going to be a premier QB in this league - okay, works for me. But it's still not ideal. Ideally that guy would be available next season.

It's tolerable timing, but not perfect.
do you think the packers or their fans worry about the unideal timing anymore? nope.

ct 03-10-2016 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 12124111)
How many Alex dinks will Sean smith snatch
zero, he'll drop them all

Mother****erJones 03-10-2016 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 12124206)
Mack picked up a pair of sacks against Swartz last year so . . .
Well Von Miller got one pressure against Schwartz last year so. . .

pugsnotdrugs19 03-10-2016 01:57 PM
I have a suspicion that Dorsey and Reid might let Gaines take that #2 CB spot.

Just think, he's got Sean Smith's size, length, press ability, and is much faster. That's obviously really important for our press man scheme.

The more I think about it, the more I like the idea. Even though depth still needs desperately addressed.

PAChiefsGuy 03-10-2016 01:58 PM
The Raiders? Of all the teams in the league he chooses them? Wow...

He was a rental and nothing more.

dls6501 03-10-2016 02:02 PM
We are not better without him. Wish we re-signed him.


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