I'd be happy with either one of those 3, so this isn't an all or nothing situation for me personally. I'm just extremely confident that Lynch will be the first QB drafted and would be Dorsey's guy if we go QB also. If we liked Bray we're going to LOVE Lynch.

:facepalm:

Goffs ball flutters a little at times.

True, I'd love Any of the top 3 guys as well. I still like Goff a bit more though as of right now. Mainly because he has proven that he can still function at a high level under an immense amount of pass rushing pressure. Lynch is great with his feet set, and he's great on bootlegs rolling out, but i haven't seen him make too many plays that he will be forced to make at the next level. He almost always has time to throw, and he almost always has his feet set in the pocket. Not really his fault that he isn't forced into those situations, but its an unknown, and it's an important part of succeeding in the NFL.

I just want to see more plays like this out of him where he steps up, slides, and makes the throw instead of him just rolling out to the right.

http://imgur.com/sKhtSGM

http://imgur.com/PDS2Pkr

Pff college

Memphis QB Paxton Lynch ranked 15th in deep ball accuracy % at 56.0 percent coming in, third in accuracy% under pressure at 75.6% coming in

Lynch is more athletic and fluid on the run as well.

He's more pro ready than goff

Goff does have awesome pocket presence.

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This was before Goffs horrible Utah Game.

No doubt he's dropped on a few things. But his OL probably dropped even further, and he's still likely the best deep passer. Pretty incredible for a guy to function at as high of a level as he is behind that kind of offensive line.

Bottom line-- we actually have decent options this time around. 2013..... Ugh.

True, if we end up with a top 7-8 pick I'm liking our odds at getting one of these guys. I'd be happy with either Goff or Lynch, and I'd give either one of these bastards my unconditional love for a very long time in a Chiefs uni. lol

stop daydreaming. Alex will be the starter for at least two more seasons.

If the talent is there, never the wrong time to groom for the future.

Alex Smith will be on the ROSTER for at least one more season. In the starting lineup? Ha, we'll see. LMAO

1) Lynch

2) Hogan.

Colin Roethlisberger.

Yes, please.

Fool's gold

Welp, that settles it; draft him.

He's got the same awkward windup throwing motion as Kaepernick, similar rifle for an arm, moves around like him in the pocket but much better touch and location on his passes than Kaepernick did in college. Didn't get pressured all that much but appears to have decent pocket awareness too.

Not a guy I'd expect to start Year 1 but has enough upside to be something special with good coaching.

Is Lynch even coming out early? He is a Jr. I'll see him play in a few weeks when Memphis plays at Houston.

He'll come out. His stock is skyrocketing.

He is not as fast as Kaep so he isn't a run first threat. Once he bulks up he is going to be more like Big Ben surprisingly mobile but more often than not can stand tall in the pocket and shrug off most tackles that aren't solid hits.

Jesus, the way he evades defenders?....

He could make Margaret Mead moist.

Compare to young Big Ben:

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Goff

Cook

Lynch

Hogan

Of course we are drafting OL

It's possible Hogan could be had in the 2nd. I would be most pleased.

Just give me the ammo, KC. Either way, I win.

https://twitter.com/dpbrugler/status/657923511953039360

Someone wanted to see him make big boy throws?

:clap::clap::clap:

So NOT Alex.

Hogan would be a big time project. I'd rather have a QB that can start right away. He can run a pro style offense. But his accuracy is... woof. His long-arm throw makes me cringe a little. Gotta fix that shit.

That throw Lynch made ^^ may have swung my opinion for now. Wow.

Dane Evans was impressive last night as well.

With a name like Dane, he's gotta' be a balla'!

Yeah, Lynch is definitely our Big Ben.

That said, if we could get a workable Big Ben project in the usual, "too risky(!)" rounds, I'd be pretty happy.

Thats big time right there. Love that play. If i'm a GM and I'm going to take him over Goff i'm going to have to see more of that. Almost all of his damage gets done outside of the pocket. For every play you show me of him delivering a nice throw from inside the pocket, where he's forced to throw it under pressure, or slide, set up etc. I can show you 10-20 of Goffs who does almost all of his damage from inside of a shitty pocket. I love Lynches accuracy, arm strength, and ability to throw on the run, size etc. but I just want to see more if i'm going to take him ahead of Goff. Between the 5 games on DBD, and the Ole Miss game, I can probably count on one hand how many wow throws me makes from within the pocket, where he throws under pressure, and is forced off his spot. I can find you 5 wow plays Goff makes from the pocket on ANY given game.

Isn't it great to have multiple options? :)

Unless we're the Redskins of the Luck/RG3 draft or the Chargers of the Manning/Leaf.... :(

Not sure if you're referring to having multiple options at QB or having the ability to win both inside and outside the pocket. Yes to both lol.. But if its about winning in and outside the pocket, Goff makes Wow plays from outside the pocket as well. They have pretty similar mobility, and ability to throw on the run. I think Lynch is has a little more mobility, and he's a little more accurate throwing on the run, But Goff appears to be very far ahead of him at throwing, and moving around the pocket.

This is second nature to Goff.

http://i.imgur.com/TnMDSk7.gif

http://i.imgur.com/sKhtSGM.gif

This is second nature to Lynch.

http://i.imgur.com/warUDwQ.gif

Which skill do you think is more important in the NFL? Almost all of the QBs in the NFL make their living in the NFL doing what Goff does on a weekly basis, winning from inside a collapsing pocket. Russell Wilson is one of the few guys I can think of that consistently makes his living outside the pocket,and he is MUCH faster, and much more elusive than Lynch. Teams don't want their 100M dollar Quarterbacks running around not being protected by the 1500lbs worth of dudes who are paid to block for them. And very few guys are fast enough to break contain on the 4.6 edge rushers who take proper pursuit angles.

They don't have similar mobility. Lynch moves better than goff.

Lynch has the better physical attributes, goff has really good pocket presense but you're making it out like lynch is lacking there. He isnt.

https://twitter.com/dpbrugler/status/657922509044621312

Here's another one showing arm talent

The first .gif of Goff in jonzie's post is an nice read + playcall vs quarters.

Goffs pocket presense is awesome though.

They do have similar mobility. They both look like 4.7 to 4.8 guys to me, with Lynch being the 4.7 guy.

And I can count on a single hand how many times Lynch has made a good throw from the inside pocket, while being forced to move, or while taking a big hit in 6 games. He usually gets the ball out before his pocket collapses, which is twice as much time as he will have in the NFL, or he drops his head and scrambles to the right. He is only put into these situations a few times per game. I'm not making Lynchs Pocket work out to be bad. I'm making it out to be pretty untested. He has the athleticism to break contain on the edge defenders he's faced so far, and he has the witts to find the open guy before his 4 second window closes, but I would like to see him win from inside the pocket, under pressure quite a bit more before I draft him over Goff. Something he's going to have to do at the next level in every game.

What a ****ing pass by Cook !!!!!!

So, now you're holding it against a guy for getting the ball out before his pocket breaks down?

If you want to take it as that, yes... You have to look at everything in how it translates to the NFL. We know Goff can still function at a high level while facing pressure immediately after his drop. Nobody has any idea if Lynch can... That's a big question for A LOT of QBs coming out of college... Can they process information in significantly less time? Make it through their reads, make the right read, limit mistakes? The biggest culprit for QBs failing in the NFL is due to their inability to process information quicker.

Nice stuff. What do you think about this play?

http://i.imgur.com/rFxh4Es.gif

Seems like he moved that safety down with his pump fake? Seems like some pretty high level stuff for a college QB. Though i'm not entirely sure he shouldn't have gotten that slot receiver on the left running what looks like a post with the safety being that deep. or if he should have come back to the guy in the left flat. Not sure what to think.

Cook is really good at that, hes made some good plays on 3rd down with pressure. Still want Goff though

I'll take any of these bastards ROFL. I just hope we take one, and not Tunsil or Stanley or something. Turning on the Mich state game now.

Edit, soon as a turn it on Cook gets injured.

Uh oh Cook is down

Double pumping like that in the nfl against competent safety play would lead to a pick in that situation.

Acording to pff, Lynch has s higher completion percentage under pressure than goff. So?

I will admit though, the Utah and ucla games are all I've seen of goff

An NFL safety probably wouldn't have come crashing in at the sight of a pump fake, but does Goff even make the throw if the safety doesn't bite?

But Elite NFL Qbs use Pump fakes all the time... Especially Big Ben.

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I don't think it was a pump fake though. Looked like he was either indecisive or just threw it anyway.

Could have been a double move though I guess

Pff still has Goff as the #1 QB and Lynch as the #3 QB. Also i'd like to see a link of that he has a higher completion percentage under pressure than Goff. But Goff has been good under pressure for a long time now.

From PFF

"Goff’s offensive line has surrendered 52 total pressures in five games. He’s been sacked 12 times. He is under duress more than most quarterbacks but is as accurate as almost any of them. This is the key to both Goff’s grade and the Cal offense. They rely on him being able to reliably hit his targets and move the chains, and then strike over the top to keep team"

"Goff’s numbers under pressure this season are also vaguely otherworldly. Last season as a sophomore he threw six touchdowns under pressure to just one interception and this year he has yet to throw a pick when pressured. His passer rating under pressure is actually higher than his passer rating when kept clean — something no quarterback ever sustains long-term and is remarkable enough even in a sample size of five games."

After his anamoly Utah game

". But he’s still our top-graded quarterback in the country, by a comfortable margin, and even when you factor in the loss to the Utes his numbers jump off the screen. He’s been great on downfield throws, completing 49 of 78 (63 percent) passes of 10-plus yards for 1,065 yards, 12 touchdowns and just five interceptions. His numbers against pressure took a hit after the Utah loss, during which he threw all five of his picks when facing pressure, but he has still demonstrated the ability to make difficult passes from the QB position."


Also pressures aren't created equal, and the sample size difference is enormous.. Immediate A gap pressure, isn't the same as a pressure on a bootleg. And Having a high accuracy throughout several hundred pressures isn't the same as having a high accuracy throughout 15-20 pressures.

True, It could have been an indecisive throw. I'm not 100% sure it was a pump fake. If it was it was a pretty weak one. The end result was nice.

Goff is reading his field.

Let me repeat that:

There is a college QB doing something that our "paid professional" turdwhacker can not do.

Tell me more about taking a fat ****ing fatty to protect such a great investment again?

either will do, just keep losing boys

Even though we're 1-5, I'm not into the draft yet. Not until we're 2-10 or so. We usually **** up and win meaningless games.

We should be celebrating the bye at 1-7, so we're almost there...

This.

Make Pitt, Cleveland, and Oakland look like GODS.

The only one I am worried about is the Browns. Pitt should clown the Chiefs and Oakland looks much better this year.

Mmm, the potential split w/ Oak is troublesome. We must have great faith in Reid's suckage.

As to the Browns....hard to say. I do recall Cleveland taking a dump or two in Arrowhead, we'll just have to hope they've fiber'd-up, and their bowels are firing on all cylinders!

Josh McCown vs Alex Smith......EWWWW

Battle of the Middling Pud-Pullers FTW!

DanPatrick just said multiple Chiefs scouts were in the press box for the game Saturday.

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Touch
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No idea of why it ****ed up the frame on the second one. He pulls a nifty little move on the blitzer and then makes that throw.

KC, I appreciate that you like your guy, but I want to avoid Big 12 QB's like the plague.


Something is lacking in the conference when it comes to NFL QB's.

More touch

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Dat arm strength tho (even though the brain trust here seems to think he lacks it)

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That changed when TCU joined the conference.

Best news of the week. Rep.

http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2016mmd_07.php

And you won't need the 1.1 to get him either. Chiefs will likely pick between 9-18 and this guy should be available in that range.

Yes, it's gonna work out for us this time.

The most beautiful post of the ReidSmith era.