Greg Little doing coast to coast tonight, talking about mound builders. If I remember right (and I may not) he's one of the ancient aliens/giants/smithsonian controversy guys. Could be entertaining.

(Smithsonian controversy guys believe the Institution deliberately suppresses or even destroys out-of-place artifacts)

They have a subscription service through the gralian report website called Gralian X.

He also does another podcast called Middle Theory which is a political show, and they straight up ask for donations on that one the same way that the guys on the No Agenda podcast do.

Darkness Radio is another awesome paranormal podcast...my favorite actually.

Not familiar with that one, although Dave Schrader is the weekend host the first half of the month on Coast to Coast. He seems to focus more on ghosts and NDE's, neither of which interest me much, but I'll give it a listen. Thanks.

To this day my favorite C2C show is Riley Martin's show with George from back when.

I have it burned.

It didn't do much for the credibility of the show but it was more than worth my $2.50 a month at the time...

My ears are up.

And I hope it's due to strangeness and not just hatred for the white man...

I love pretty much any ancient and modern earth (and beyond) mysteries whether of the natural kind or the supernatural kind.

With our limited knowledge and scope we have already found planets of similar size to earth and from similar distance to their stars. The finding of us would not be the hard part. The hard part would be getting here, but something like wormholes, which are extensively researched and theoretically possible, could be the key.

A civilization millions of years older than us could have unlocked this mystery or even found other ways that we can't yet dream of. Our understanding of the universe is still far too minimal to place limits on what a civilization with an extra millions of years could doing.

Do you believe aliens (in the conventional sense) exist at all? Or do you just believe they wouldn't be able to get here?

Yeah it's out of a radio station in Minnesota...I always just listen to the podcasts though.

He's broadened out to more things now...has stuff about UFOs, cryptids, true crimes, conspiracies, etc.

The idea of advanced ancient civilizations is one of my favorite fantasies. I've done a lot of reading on Atlantis, Lemuria, etc. and even just civilizations we know (bits) about, like Egypt and Greece.

I'm just not sure about it though. It seems, if these civilizations were so advanced, we'd have found a bit more evidence. More machines, technology, structures, etc..

I'd guess our ancestors were just a lot more advanced than we like to give them credit for..

How do you guys feel about "the powers that be" behind the scenes controlling things? The Illuminati, Jews controlling money and media, that sort of thing..

I'd guess if you believe in faked moon landings and governmental assassinations of presidents you'd have to, at least partially, believe in that sort of thing, no?

They just cannot get here, life exists elsewhere. But even at the speed of 1000light years an hour it would take 1000s of years... Then when thinking about that distance, if they are off just .000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001

they would miss us by a couple galaxies are more.

If we have had visitors, they are not aliens. They are time travelers from our future that have evolved.

And this is the problem with belief structures. As soon as you choose your team, as soon as you say "it can only be this, anything else is impossible" you have closed your mind to every other possibility. At that point any inkling of honest study of the unexplained is finished, because all you have are people looking for evidence to support what they already believe. And all semblance of discussion is over. You're only left with various entrenched groups slamming their heads against the wall to try and convince each other that their belief is the right belief, with nobody listening to a word of what anybody else is saying. You see this all over the UFO field. Unfortunately.

Here's the problem. I have no problem believing that there are Aliens capable of such feats of travel. But lets just say they sent 10 probes that could hit 3 star systems a day to explore JUST the Milky Way. There are about 300 billion stars plus billions more in globular clusters around the Milky Way. If each of the 10 probes could scan 3 star systems a day for life it would take on average 13,600,000 years to find us. Thats scanning only 1 galaxy. It there are 250,000,000,000 galaxies this would literally take an infinite amount of time to scan half the galaxies (on average to find ours) and then almost 14 million years to find us once they started on the Milky way. Plus ever other galaxy our size would take 28 million years to explore.

And thats assuming instant teleportation between star systems.

And the kid showing his dick at the end of Teen Wolf, another Michale J. Fox movie......


:hmmm:

Long after you and I are gone humanity is going to discover that life is as common as water across the universe.

People and their silly belief structures...

And it's basically based on nothing. Our science..... that most people don't even understand to begin with..... which is always changing.....

What do we really KNOW?

You're approaching this as if life is such an incredibly rare thing that it would require searching the entire cosmos just to find anything other than us. Which may be the case.

Another possibility is that life teems and said search is, was or will be conducted by a nearby civilization. Or perhaps we ourselves conduct said search in a few hundred or thousand years, and the labor produces fruit quickly. Or perhaps we ourselves already conducted said search in a remote past forgotten to history. Or perhaps life only exists in one in a trillion habitable worlds and looking for it at all is a complete and total waste of time, at least until some day in the distant future we spread to the empty stars and populate them ourselves, and the extraterrestrials are us.

I should note that I try to avoid using the term 'alien' in this discussion because the meaning can be unclear. Something from Earth itself can be alien to our understanding. Also the term has basically become a pejorative, much as 'UFO' itself has, a way to mock by its very use, which is why you've seen the development of acronyms like UAP. So I try to run with extraterrestrial. Although sometimes I forget. Not saying anybody else should, just clarifying myself...

Regarding the time travel possibility, that seems simple because we think of earth as a fixed point. It's not. We're in constant motion, not just in our solar system but in the universe itself. So a visitor from the future would need to do a lot more than just flip a switch and watch the years roll back. Basically it's taking the kind of difficulties we see with spatial travel from point a to point b over incredible distances and compounding it with temporal calculations.

I'm not suggesting it wouldn't be possible. What I am suggesting is that it may be no less complicated than traveling between star systems.

There is a reason I didn't mention traveling at the speed of light and specifically mentioned another possibility that should not be dismissed. Outside of suspended animation or something like that traveling at the speed of light probably isn't the best option.

I doubt we ever discover that, but i believe your point is still correct.

We're not special. Life isn't special. Water isn't special.

Read the book I linked.

Even if you scoff at the notions that ETs are controlling everything it does a great job of explaining how the world is controlled through things like banks, wars and religion, etc.

I missed that question originally.

I don't believe in the Illuminati and I don't think Jewish bankers are notably different from any other bankers but I do think everything is controlled, or manipulated, or however you want to phrase it.

There's a lot of evidence that (and I hate to use this term...) the mainstream media in the United States is no longer a free press, but has essentially become a wing of various national intelligence agencies. Doesn't matter what slant you think you're getting, if it's CBS or FOX or MSNBC or even PBS, you're getting spoon fed stuff by some intermix of the CIA and NSA. Which makes us like pretty much everywhere else in the world. It's hard to find actual "news" now.

I also believe this country stopped being a democratic republic sometime in the latter half of the 19th century, and that (another wonky term...) the military industrial complex has been running things since at least the end of WW2. I think we're essentially a plutocracy now, although there's also perhaps some semblance of a royal line in the white house. It's amazing just how interconnected these various presidential families have been, despite how unrelated they appear to be on the surface.

As far as the federal government as a whole goes (like we can really talk about it like it's a single entity, which is a problem with the so-called Disclosure Movement, but I degress) I don't think everyday people mean a thing to anybody in Washington anymore. They don't live the same kind of lives that we do, and I don't think they relate or understand or even care to do either with regards to the kind of lives that average American people lead, or the kinds of things that regular people need, or even the constitutional rights that regular people should have. I think the only interest the government has at this point, at least at the national level, is staying in power, keeping things essentially the way they are and maintaining/increasing their personal fortunes. It's all about incestuous corporate growth.

I also don't think there's a meaningful difference between the two primary political parties, and I think the entire "left/right" paradigm/narrative is a circus put on to keep people both divided and entertained. This ties in with my earlier comments about media and intelligence.

I also think there's a group of (ugh, another word I hate to use) elites who exist at the both the highest levels of our government and above it. These are the guys who literally own about half the planet. And I think it's entirely possible that they organize everything that goes on in an international sense, and that to a large degree national borders have no real relevance or meaning. I think we're now on the verge of what are basically transnational corporations running the entire planet, along the lines of what Kim Stanley Robinson described in Red Mars.

But, at the same time, maybe it's always been like that. Because I just don't believe a whole lot of what I read in vanilla history books. As the saying goes, it's all written by the victors. And they don't generally want themselves to look shady.

And yes, I know just how crazy and paranoid all of this sounds.

Wow, keg, didnt know your thoughts went that deep on this stuff... nice post.

The problem with this is only 400 years (give or take) we thought it was impossible to circle the globe. Going from Europe to the Americas was a months long and life threatening journey.

Now we've got probes landing on Mars and running around.

In no more than 500 years.

In time we will learn to conquer space as we have the land, sea, and air.

The rules of physics didn't change - only our understanding of it...

Life is so diverse and varied that we're still discovering new forms of it on this planet...

That opens up a whole 'nother topic: the possibility that Columbus had maps referencing North America and was knowingly traveling here, rather than looking for a route to the far east as the story goes. In any case, I think it's pretty much a foregone conclusion at this point that he didn't "discover" the Americas. A number of different people likely made it here, both from Europe and from Asia, and they may have actively traded materials from this continent (namely copper and tobacco) all around the world. Hell, there's even increasing evidence that very ancient peoples (read: before christ) traveled here, and were capable of circumnavigating the globe.

Not to dispute your larger point about scientific understanding changing over time, of course. I agree with you...

At the time of the world famous "Phoenix Lights" sighting, Fife Symington was the Governor of Arizona and put on a famous press conference shortly after to make light of the whole incident and its witnesses.

Yet a decade or so later, he came out and admitted the truth... that he witnessed a craft nearly as big as Phoenix itself fly over the city. Now I fully believe that this nation has been back engineering alien craft since the late 40's and have working models at this point. But something that large, that nearly covered the entire city?

No nope nuh-uh... they havent gotten that far with it yet, no way.

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I listened to a really whacked-out podcast about the Columbine massacre this morning. According to the guy, whose name I don't even remember right now, it was organized by a federal agent, actually started on April 19th, devolved into a hostage crisis, and all of it was a sacrifice to Lucifer.

I actually started to think there was something to it, meaning the federal connection and the paper trail he's supposedly uncovered, until he started with the Luciferian agenda stuff, and how the military is all filled with Luciferians fronting as christian groups, particularly the Air Force.

Then it was kind of like...wha?

Sounds like someone thats read too much and is mixing everything together into one ugly thing... in short, maybe a well spoken nut.

But if you spend enough time reading up on the Luciferian agenda, it suddenly looks like its not so crazy... there are some extremely well heeled and influential Luciferian groups out there with access to the highest levels of world government.

Take the Lucis Trust for example, look at this explanation... for several sentences it takes pains to distance itself from the name, yet about halfway down they come clean about it in that they "seek to elicit a deeper understanding of the sacrifice made by Lucifer".

http://www.lucistrust.org/en/arcane_...ing_of_lucifer

Now, this is a group that until recently had an office at the UN headquarters in NY and they are still a major player behind the scenes player in world politics, anyone that wants to scoff should just start googling and taking away from it that which is clearly irrefutable.

This guy here, he goes off into some realms I'm not sure of yet still makes some pretty clear connections... its really all about being inquisitive enough to research stuff like this for oneself (not preaching to you, keg), look around and take out what speaks to you and spit out that which doesnt ring true.

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I'm aware of the belief of Lucifer as light-bringer and know a bit (but not much) about Blavatsky and Theosophy. This guy, however, was referring to Lucifer in the traditional satanic, Christian sense of the word. Although at the same time he had an extreme loathing for evangelical Christian churches, which he believed were actually satanic in nature. It was....odd. To say the least.

Anyway I'm going to avoid religion as much as possible in this thread. I don't want it to devolve into a DC thread with sniping between believers and non-believers of any particular religious creed, whether eastern or western or anything in between. Religion is just one of those areas where people seem incapable of having productive discussions. At least in my experience.

I will leave it at this, with all due respect to our three known Masons/Shriners... only one of whom is known to be religious, I will present this Shriner, probably caught off guard after a few drinks, but still... its a pretty damn creepy defense he puts up.

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I mean, lets face facts... anyone that says they believe in the Bible shouldnt be going around proclaiming the king of the fallen angels as "virtuous and wholesome".

Didnt wanna plug in such a long piece, but for anyone that really wants to try to understand subjects like this, its pretty much indispensable IMO... the original interview with Bob Lazar.

"His college records are nonexistent"

"He's a charlatan says some media whore UFO expert/Friedman"

Yet he still has his pay stubs... and really, anyone that cant listen to the guy and hear the truthfulness in his voice and inflections and see in his movements... doesnt want to know anyway.

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Lazar has (slowly) begun to reappear, as last year was the 25th anniversary of that story breaking. He did an appearance on Coast to Coast a few weeks ago with George Knapp and he'll be appearing at the International UFO Congress in just under a month.

There are some different possibilities for what his story may have been, even if he is speaking truthfully (and I believe he is). He may have been (unbeknownst to him...) a stalking horse in a search for foreign espionage or the victim of a deliberate misinformation campaign in order to help cover up more conventional research going on there. Or he may have seen exactly what he thought he saw.

I do believe he's honest. He's really had nothing to gain from all of this all along, and he's been a hesitant witness since day 1, if George Knapp is to be believed. Lazar's kept himself persona non gratis in the UFO field for decades. He's been a straight business man, with some government contracts I believe, all this time, and has tried to keep himself separate from all the UFO bullshit.

Whatever the case ends up being, and we may never be able to ascertain what the truth actually was, he really did play a huge role simply by getting the story of Area 51 out there.

And to this day Stanton Friedman is still one of my favorite interviewees to listen to. While he may have questions about Lazar and questions about the Majestic 12 documents, he's still a fascinating guy to listen to. Even if he's saying essentially the same things now he said 40 years ago. I certainly don't tune him out just because I don't agree with everything he says.

Has anyone ever listened to John Lear ramble???

Holy shit I thought I was crazy....for being a guy with credibility and a high profile he goes wayyyy out on a limb on some things.

Hey could you link to the podcast?

I have an odd fascination with Columbine so I try to listen and watch as much stuff on it as possible...

Oh I like Stanton as well, his persistent dogging of Lazar is what throws me off... if he is such a devout believer, constantly neg repping Lazar makes no sense.

Lazar has so many great clips out there I wouldnt dare post them all here because it would take too long for everyone to watch them... he's no trial balloon or disinformation stooge IMO, he witnessed what he witnessed and his story hasnt changed one iota since the 80's.

And as you alluded to, he is still very involved in leading edge science to this day.

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Was the "Area 51 caller" that phoned in C2C and talked to Art Bell ever debunked?

I could've sworn I read it was a hoax but I could but wrong...no matter what it's still awesome.

Daddy invented the Lear Jet, the family has irrefutable CIA connections... yeah, his ramblings arent all bogus, I'd sure as hell bet on that.

I'll listen to him on some things but some of the shit he says is just wow....dude is fascinating as hell to listen to.

Someone called in recently (not sure when this was, in the last couple of years I think) and said he was the guy and that the whole thing was a hoax. I believed him. But I'll admit I was predisposed to think that, because I heard it live the first time and have always believed it was a hoax. Albeit an entertaining one.

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Here it is, it was on Jimmy Church's show (admission after the 20 min point):

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I think Lear is batshit crazy at this point. He was entertaining and I think on point in some ways 30 years ago, but it's been a downward spiral since then.

As I recall, he was actually the guy that originally got George Knapp in contact with Bob Lazar.

How about Dr. Roger Leir? He passed away, unfortunately, but he was always digging for implants. Literally. Interesting stuff.

This sounds awesome.

That really sucks - I was going to ask you for a link until they went BSC.

Always been very interested in the Dylatov Pass theories. That's a crazy story! Too bad there's no at to know what really happened.

That guy, and the corresponding "loss of signal" was one on the biggest disinformation coups/pranks ever pulled off... I do believe the station lost its signal, but only so it could make everyone look even worse when frantic caller came back later and said he was just joking.

Believe it or not, the very first time I heard that frantic caller I smelled shit... hyperventialting and high pitched "their almost right on top of me" hysterics killed it instantly, quite frankly.

Been so deep into this for so many year that my bullshit detector goes off almost instantaneously.

HOAX.

Someone else asked for a link, too, it's an entertaining show either way, even if I think the whole illuminati blood sacrifice stuff (which is where I think he got his idea) is a little too left field for me: http://binnallofamerica.com/boaa061512.html

He also did a show with the same guy in 2009 (10th anniversary...) which I haven't listened to, that apparently doesn't include all the anti-evangelical stuff: http://binnallofamerica.com/boaa4.20.9.html

Dyatlov Pass was a big deal a year or so ago, I assume because a movie was coming out. I heard a ton of different shows at the time. It's interesting but as you said...what can you really do with that one?

The mothman stuff was in Point Pleasant, which was a couple of hours from where I grew up in West Virginia. I played some ball games there growing up but literally never heard any of that story until long after I left the area, despite having a long-running interest in paranormal stuff. I have no idea why my parents never mentioned it and there was no internet then, so I guess it's not so surprising, but still. I have asked about it since, and they both remember it.

John Keel has pretty heavily influenced a whole generation with his book there, along with his other writings.

Yes...great call.

Such an insane story with all sorts of possibilities....

The disappearance of Frederick Valentich has always baffled me as well....

In Mother Russia, Bigfoot searches for you.

So that huge group of people escaped from the inside of the tent at night, so freaked out that they didnt bother to put on any clothing of any kind in the harsh Siberian wilderness, and they found a group here and a group there, scattered by atleast 2 miles.

Several members from each group had experienced the kind of blunt force trauma one might expect from being hit by a truck... plus, some had their tongues and eyes torn out cleanly.

That is not in any way what one should expect from animal depredation, and it isnt consistent with what the Soviets ultimately ruled as those kids being in the vicinity of an errant missile test.

So there were TWO errant missiles that just happened to directly hit these two different groups of people huddling together miles apart, and then ripped their eyes and tongues out for good measure?

Not the guts or other meat that usual predators will always look for... just the eyes and tongue, and neatly done... if you please.

I dont care what anyone here thinks or says in rebuttal... this world we live in is so full of mystery and the unknown, science cant explain much of it and neither can anyone else.

Just like American cattle mutilations.

That's the australian flying the cessna wasn't it?

If we're throwing out interesting UFO cases then I'll bring up JAL flight 1628. That one's always fascinated me, as it has radar data to back up the story.

And the 1976 Tehran UFO encounter.

Yup that's the one...the Tehran one turned into an impromptu dogfight did it not?

I have to admit my personal favorite over recent years is the so-called Skinwalker Ranch. I have listened-to and read everything I can get my hands on about that one, and it's just fascinating to me.

As an avid Bigfoot/Sasquatch believer I've always held the DP Incident right up there as far as proof goes....

Right and it's creepy as all hell which makes it more interesting.

I'm diving into everything Stull, KS at the moment...peaking my interest.

Yeah, it got really weird. Both planes instruments were ****ed with and a second, smaller object detached from the UFO and flew towards one of the planes (pilot was named Parviz Jafari, retired as a general from the Iranian Air Force - he's spoken openly about this for years now) one what he thought was a collision course. But it never struck or did anything else threatening and eventually went back and reattached (or whatever...) to the main UFO.

Hell yeah, creepy ****ing place. Even if you don't buy into the whole gunfight on site stuff.

Speaking of weird alien gunfights, I've always wanted to know what was going on at Dulce. I think there's actually a facility there, but I don't imagine it's all the crazy shit that Lear (at least I think it was Lear) came up with in the Dulce Papers.

I can't remember the guys name but I saw a video on YT where he said he worked at Dulce and a huge gunfight broke out with the Greys and he was wounded and got radiation damage which turned into cancer.

Always found it interesting....

That was Phil Schneider I think. Let me see if I can find it.

You're such a regular here that I have NO doubt you've seen my many posts on that place...

Internationally known and peer reviewed nuclear physicist in Colm Kelleher? check.

Backed by a billionaire industrialist and space exploration pioneer in Robert Bigelow? check.

Emmy award winning journalist George Knapp? check

Story that holds up to ANY kind of scrutiny? check... I posted a 3 part interview with Kelleher here maybe 2-3 years ago and anyone that dares laugh in his face immediately exposes themselves as a total fraud and scientific ostrich.

Top scientists, retired spec ops... they were ALL repeatedly clowned by an unknown intelligence, all I can say is read up on it, read the book like I did for all you doubters.

This isn't the one I remember, but it's the cleanest video so far once you skip past the intro and get to his speech:

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John Alexander was involved as well.

Yup that's him...crazy story.

Another Schneider:

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So what is the prevailing/theory on Skinwalker Ranch?

Read some stuff about it but just wondering what THE theory is on it...

He was one of the original "Men Who Stare at Goats".

Thats a guy who knows a LOT about what paranormal things the military is studying for sure.

I don't think there is a prevailing theory (or if there is we in the public aren't party to it). Maybe that it's a portal area and something's coming through from somewhere else. But I don't know that anybody has (or could) come up with a definitive answer. So many layers to that story.