He's lost it because of the friction between him and the owner/management.

The team knows he's gone. They could love him, and believe in him 100%, but they still know he's gone...

Well yeah... let me clear up that any losing of the locker room isn't because he can't coach. I'm sure the next team he goes to, he'll lead a locker room that will be just fine.

We're going to talk this over. Great idea IMO.

Edit: I ****ing hate tablets...

Dumbest non-DC thread I've seen in a while. Oakland will continue to be a bottom feeder and any player worth a shit will bail on that AIDS fire of an organization the first chance they get. You are a ****ing moron. I look forward to seeing this thread brought back next year when the faiders close in on another sub .500 season.

Hahaha...awesome! I originally started that post as a joke. By the time I finished it though, I was serious.

Declining? He's winning right?

ROFL you found inspiration!

You are certainly the Oakland Raiders of the last decade of chiefs planet

By the way, I don't think Harbaugh is going to Oakland. I think he's going to Michigan. Think he'd be crazy to turn down that opportunity.

Either of those places would make teams I hate better. Seems his wife really likes Cali, so I fear that Oakland is a real threat. I guess in the end it depends on how strong his wifes feelings are, and if he wants to leave the NFL without winning a SB.

I just don't see any way a guy who's going to be one of the most sought after head coaching candidates will go to a place where coaches go to die especially after how much he fought with the 49ers front office. I hate Michigan too. But they can be a recruiting powerhouse, the Big 10 is soft right now, and Harbaugh will have a guaranteed job whereas Oakland fires coaches every other year.

Not a chance

Sure if Peyton dies, rivers becomes paralyzed and Oakland goes to the ncaa.

SD hasn't won the division since 09.

Stick to your own conference.

Only browsed the last couple of pages but it seems some are a little behind in the news regarding the Raiders. The days of the Raiders firing HC`s every 1 1/2 years seems to be over. Looks like Mark Davis has more patience than his dad otherwise McKenzie and Allen would have been gone 2 years ago. Having said that, no matter what coach was hired after McKenzie took over was destined to be the lame duck coach while the Raiders purged their roster of outrageous contracts and Al`s scholarship players. That took 2 years to do. They also had very few draft picks the first 2 drafts thanks to the previous sins of Al davis. This years roster was the start of a few young foundational players and a few FA`s picked up on 1 year deals so not to affect next years salary cap. This offseason, the Raiders will have all their draft picks beginning with a top 3 pick and they have a boat load of salary cap space. Davis intends to hire a "real" HC this time around and may get some qualified candidates to come talk because for the first time in over a decade, the franchise is fiscally sound and the FO is getting more stable (again, Mark davis appears to have more patience than his dad)

Now on Harbaugh. Don`t really like him myself because he just rubs me the wrong way but he has won everywhere he has coached. Yes he took over a stacked Niner team but he made them formidable winners. Local rumor has it that before the ink was dry on his contract, there was already bad blood between him and owner York so he was never going to last very long with SF. The Niners this year are currently 7-7 but maybe that is what happens when you are missing Patrick Willis, 2/3rds of your Oline, your QB sack leader Aldon Smith etc for most of the year….The niners were snake bit this year with multiple key injuries.

My guess is the HC for the Raiders will be either Harbaugh, the Walrus (Holmgren) or Rex Ryan……other longer shots may include Del Rio, John Pagano or Stanfords current HC.

TL/DR...

That team put up 606 points last year. It's at 407 right now. Are you expecting them to finish the season with back-to-back 100 point games, or are you going to accept that the offense is not the same?

Carr is average.

He's nothing great right now but if Oakland doesn't completely ruin him he should be a solid starter...

If you can not see he's declining, your ignorance on the sport is glaring.

That has been obvious from day one. The decline and In men.

How does it seem to be over? The last one was like a month and a half ago.

He keeps adding levels.

Yeah, that better offense that Oakland has really got them a great record.

Harbaugh's first NFL gig was with Al Davis, and he has a soft spot for the Davis family. They would literally hand him the keys and say go. He would be able to stay in the bay and he would basically answer to no one but Mark. As for the remark about coaching turnover, Allen had over two years to show something, and the team actually got worse. Sparano is a stopgap and he has at times been able to get that team to occasionally show some signs of life

He would be a moron to work for Flowbee

I don't know why everyone is afraid of Harbaugh. 9ers aren't making the playoffs, Kaepernick is a mess, the 9ers have turned into the Jets when they had Sanchez. Let him go to Oakland, the amount of rebuilding they still have to do I don't think they'll be a threat next year with or without him.

He also likes Carr. A lot. Don't act like you wouldn't work for Flowbee if he paid you several million a year.

If his family is deadset on staying in the Bay, maybe.

But I would have to think Harbaugh knows this is his one shot at Michigan. He'll be in a better situation, have an incredibly stable job, and will get paid an absolute shitload of money to coach there. The NFL will always be there for him.

Carr has the chance to be great. The problem is that happening in Oakland is as good as the chiefs winning a playoff game. Dont worry, you oakland fans can envy him when he is on the patriots.

Again, you are referring to the old Raiders where no players were developed….Al is gone. The new regime is actually building from the draft and developing. Time will tell if they bring in the right staff today but don`t judge any longer on the "Al" days because he is gone...

Dennis Allen stayed for 2 1/2 years of his 3 year contract. That is much longer than Al would have kept him. Again, he was just a stop gap coach while the Raiders decimated their roster of high salaries/contracts until Reggie McKenzie got the salary cap in order. Not even Lombardi would have won more games for the Raiders the first 2 years after Al died.

And people call me a homer.

LOL…I am 50 years old so I have been around a little while. The day Al died there were 2 types of Raider fans developed.

1) Al is gone, now we can get a GM and go back to our winning days NOW!!!

2) Al is gone, and for this franchise to truly be great again, we need to sacrifice the overinflated contracts, cut the fat and rebuild through the draft. and this will be a 3-6 year process.

Reggie was hired and his first draft he had no 1 or 2 round picks. In fact if memory serves me correctly, his first pick was a supp pick which was the first of the 4th round. The next year he had a 2nd rounder but parlayed it into 2 3rd rounders.

Good Lord, does anybody see the insanity here? This was caused by Al Davis and Reggie needed to muddle this shit for 2+ years before the Raiders were on a level playing field that rivals the Tampa expansion team.

Yes Reggie blew the FA signings of Flynn and Schaub and others but those contracts were done so that they had no effect on the following years salary cap. Has he made mistakes in FA? Yes, as do ALL GM`s but he has drafted very well.

Yep, I am a Homer……but I see the method in the madness. What Reggie is doing is building very slowly through the draft to have consistent solid football players rather than going for Combine freak track stars and overpriced FA`s. With the right coach and staff, the Raiders might be formidable in the near future while Manning retires and the Doncs go south, Rivers follows to the south, and it is up to the Raiders and Chiefs to battle for the top in the coming years.

Sorry TimBone…Just pointing out that very soon it is between the Raiders and Chiefs for dominance as the Doncs and Chiefs are running out of time this year

If by declining you mean home field advantage in every playoff he's been in since going to denver, 1 superbowl appearence, 3 back to back to back playoff appearances, twice considered NFL MVP, and overall pwnage of the Chiefs at home and in Denver...sure I guess he is declining.

Btw that declining quarterback has won more in 3 years then the chiefs have in 40. think about that. If that's declining, then maybe that's what the chiefs need

I remember when inmen liked the MJD and James Jones signings. LMAO

Sir? SIR?!

I've got the "declining bag o' shit QB" market covered quite nicely, thank you.

Oh, you meant GOOD "declining" QB...

yeah...

Dumbass

It would be real easy for Harbaugh to join the Raiders without having to move his family or change his life.

Not sure what it would take and after him having problems with the front office, not sure Oakland makes sense in that respect.

It would be a big coup for Oakland to get him.

Oakland will be more competitive than the Chiefs next year
 

You seem nice.


Just in time for Christmas, season ticket renewals make great Christmas presents. Act before Christmas and get a autographed Alex Smith 2015 Chiefs Calendar.

You know you are going to meatball.

Sure, when they start playing in Ohio, maybe.

I feel smarter after reading this thread.

So, by your logic, Carr > Rodgers?

:thumb:

Manning is 39 years old, and it is starting to show. He doesn't have the zip on his passes that he did even a year ago. At this age he will decline fast. He will still have the advantage of being great at reading defenses and adjusting to them but there will come a time, and it won't be long, before that isn't enough.

Wouldn't be out of the question to have a dramatic drop-off from one season tot he next. Take Brett Favre for example. His first year in Minnesota he threw for 33 touchdowns and 7 interceptions. The very next year he threw for 11 touchdowns and 19 interceptions.

Can't say I'm not hoping for a similar drop-off for Manning ASAP. Would love for him to come back for another season and his production just fall off a cliff and for the Donkeys to still not know what they have in Osweiller.

sooner or later one of them has to hit though right?

I hate to break the news, but there was no point to firing Dennis Allen at that point. It's just another case of the team laying blame on somebody for their own ****ed up decision making, business as usual in Oakland.. Nothing's changed, unless you think letting Tony Sparano dog-paddle around out there serves some insane purpose.

Team v. individual


Manning's clearly been declining. If it's because of an undisclosed injury, then maybe he'll be back up to snuff next year, and the league can bitch about the injury rules again. Only time will tell us on that.

You may be 100% correct. Time will tell

I agree, Manning does not have the arm to zip his passes anywhere but on calm days or indoors. His game is faltering noticeably in cold or windy conditions….this is why I state the Doncs window is closing rapidly

They'll eat 5.5 mil next year when they let Schaub go. Based on current contracts, a rough estimate has the Raiders at 52 mil under the cap in 2015.

Well that's good, because the roster is a bag of shit.

That bag o shit kicked your ass LMAO

Dude you are trying to talk to people who scream throw it deep on every play in their chat room on SundayLMAO

You beat us by 4 points thanks to some questionable officiating on your final drive. We legitimately smashed your dicks in..

The fact that your (slight) win over us was an embarrassment should tell you everything you need to know about your franchise.

You won by 4 points on a Thursday night game. We just kicked your ass. Shut the **** up clown. No one wants to go to Oakland, so no one cares about your cap space.

Issue with Reggie obviously hasn't been drafting. Frankly, he's been brilliant there. It's been signing crappy old FA's who are simply looking for one last paycheck. Poor coaching choices as well.

Let's not pretend it took some kind of genious to pick Mack.

A reeruned chimp could have made that pick.

Winning by 4 points at home on a short week doesn't qualify as an ass kicking. You were one dropped interception from being on the losing end.

Raiders fans tell us they're going to be better next year is just like Rust telling us the this is the year of the Clones.

It's just never going to happen. They're always going to be laughably bad.

They were 12-4 in 2013 and lost in the NFC championship game. They had won nine consecutive games when they lost that playoff game.

They've had a bad year, but it would be nice for KC to be as 'bad' as SF was in 2013 at any point over the past 40 years.

In regards to cap flexibility, OAK has the most of any team going into 2015. They'll certainly be the team that can do the most to improve, question is can they be smart about it and can they lure quality FAs without terribly over spending.

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/

Shows OAK about $52M under and KC over the cap for 2015

http://www.spotrac.com/cap-tracker/nfl/2015/

Another with OAK around $52M and KC about $900k under...

Denver is about $28M under the cap via both sites, threw that in purely as a jab.

Every team is crap that does not win a championship. We are worse than damn near everyone. You would think that every once in a while that we would get a lucky season and win it all. Statistics say that we should but still we don't.

I would say there is about a 90% chance Donkey Kong Suh is a Raider next year with all that cap money.

Exactly LMAO

I might do an actual back flip if that were to happen.

At this point, I won't believe the Raiders are better until the product on the field shows me it's better over an entire season.

Effort will be made, how it turns out is anyone's guess.

Does Mack even have a sack? Seemed invisible on Sunday

Cap flexibility is only good if you need to resign your own marquee players or there is an absolute beast of a QB on the market like Brees a while back.

Oakland has so many holes they could sign all the top FA players and would still suck and fact is most big free agents aren't worth the money and that's been proven.

You know why Oakland has a bunch of cap room? They let a bunch of good players they had walk.

It isn't going to help them much.

You are really going to try to argue that FA $ is usually bad $ spent?

Who was the big free agent signing this off season who is kicking ass this year?

And he did.

Your hyperbole aside, I'm going to tell you what a good team is, and I'm going to give you examples so that reerun Nation on CP and elsewhere can finally get a ****ing clue in life, so here goes:

The first thing you need to understand, is that having a "good team" is something anyone can do at any time, especially in today's league. Anyone can catch a little fire, catch a few breaks, and be a nice, little flash-in-the pan footnote for a season. The Chiefs have all but ****ing EXCELLED at this since the 1970's.

You don't want a "good team".

What YOU want, is a "good franchise". You don't even have to be a great franchise, just a good one. To start. A good franchise can be counted on to get their championship appearance at least once a decade. Note, I did not say they "win it all", but they damned sure get the chance to try.
The Steelers are an excellent example of this. Green Bay as well.
A good franchise may have a year where they don't make the playoffs, but they are more than likely going to be back the following season and break one off in someone's ass.
The Patriots and to a certain degree, the Ravens, are a fine example of this.
Those are good franchises, and they have at least 3 common denominators between all of them.

Let's see if CP can connect the dots.

Hey moron, the Packers and Pats were really really really bad for close to 20 years at one point.

The Raiders were good for along time and haven't been shit in forever. Just like KC.

The Cowboys have 1 more playoff win than KC since 1993 and have been a .500 team for a decade.


There aren't 3 common denominators with the teams you listed idiot its 3 team with 1 common denominator.

And Flacco is not a franchise QB anyway.

So, you can't answer the question and just throw your Lil' Chiefy homer shit against the wall. Got it.

I answered it you moron. JFC you are dumb.

Your answer was a bag of shit.

Hey. You're a cool cat at times. Love your passion for the chiefs.

Keep perspective and avoid clayaus and all is good.

But...but...that's my CP crack.

Understood. You are to good of a poster to go down the swallow Huard cum route.