Go **** yourself, liar. I know what I saw, and I know I called you out on it at the time.

There's no way I'm digging into 2 year old bajillion page threads to establsih what I know to be true. I'm perfectly content to have people believe me or not, or recall with me as they will assuming they were there as well.

I know what I know. I know what you did. I'm past it, but if you're going to play Mr. 'I've had it and won't stand spammers,' damned if I'm gonna let you gloss over your own history.

Not like he just described it.

I'm shocked Clay hasn't posted it.

Exactly how he just posted it.

Hell, I brought it up a few times

It's like a bag of sand, right?

http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/21390000...c459d2a9ac.jpg

No football with an actual football. GFY.

Oh you mean bundle of sticks I mean flag football.

It's okay that you haven't, really. Nobody here judging you. I'm sure there's reasons for it. Don't be embarrassed about it. It seems like you got defensive about it so I won't bring it up again if it'll make you feel better. Football isn't for everyone, you know?

Effective trolling guys. I tip my hat.

So basically, it's flawed because no one understands it.

Got it.

It's a new and improved list :)

You laugh down one set of stats, only to put forth your own that are somehow inherently better because they fit your view.

Or you didn't understand what I highlighted in the post.

To put it into layman's terms its pretty subjective.

How much pressure a QB is under, what the max yards he "could have" effected on the play etc...

It has its flaws whether its better than Passer Rating or not which is what I said, they both have flaws.

Can you argue QBR isn't somewhat subjective or doesn't have flaws? I don't see how unless you didn't know how its calculated.

I've yet to see a QBR rating that I've thought was way off base. The entire point of the metric is to show how much value the player has on each play.

When the QBR system rewards a guy for going 14-18 for 90 yards, 2 TDs and no INTs, get back to me.

Advanced metrics like QBR and DVOA/DYAR may be subjective, but they are much more accurate than the passer rating system which allows you to artificially inflate your value by being conservative with the ball.

Didn't say it wasn't better I said it had flaws. Try to keep up.

Here is an example, Mike Glennon has a higher QBR than Russel Wilson right now.

I rest my case.

He had Sherman and kelce backwards. He opted for the higher percentage pass to try and move the chains. I agree he should have taken the shot down field. Other than that a pretty solid game.

I don't think it was a solid game. It was enough to win that game, but going forward he needs to be much better.

He played better in the 2nd half for sure

67% completion and 7.8 ypa and no INTs?

That's a solid game.

1 single play to Jenkins would be changing your thoughts, but it wasn't Alex who blew the play. We still scored later in the drive but Alex's stats look different because Jenkins stepped out.

Think about that.

No, we punted when he missed Jenkins deep down the field.

Even with what your saying, why would a wide receiver taking a screen and making it a big play change how I felt a qb played?

Jenkins even breaking free in the first place on that play was all about his own effort. Smith did zilch on that one.

As far as quarterback rating goes, you don't even need to bring up QBR to talk about the sheer irrelevance of the stat. Ditto for quantifying quarterback play based on win-loss record, which you see all the time at basically every level.

Smith is playing better, although I did not think this week was one of his better games. Not saying it's bad, just that I think he's looked better at other times this year. And he's still leaving tons of potential plays on the board because he's so hesitant to throw the ball downfield. Hopefully Reid continues to push him on that. We're going to need him to be aggressive at some point.

Even statistically if he takes it, I'm not sure it wasn't a lateral

This. Plus good 3rd down conversion rate. And making and extending plays with his legs. He wasn't lighting it up, but he was making good decisions and the TOP and extended drives indicates he was making good adjustments and calls pre snap. Long methodical drives to keep rivers on the side line. Not sexy but solid. Good game management by a great game manager.

Which play did the receiver step out of bounds after the catch down field when he had nothing but green in front of him? That was Jenkins right? If not it was Avery. Either way the point stands.

It's just wanting more I guess. As milkman was objected for saying, we should have won that game by 2 scores. It didn't need to be a last minute win. We can't keep leaving potential big plays on the field cause that shit will cost you games.

Controlling the top and picking up 3rd downs is great, props for that. But we need those chunk plays to put more points in the board

It was jenkins on a wr receiver screen.

The point doesn't stand because there is no point. I'm not giving the qb any credit when a wr takes a wr screen however long for a td

Avery is out for a few more weeks, it was Jenkins. It wasn't a catch downfield, it was a busted screen that he somehow escaped.

Keg, I didn't see your edit because it was in a different page but I completely agree with every word

Agreed. Not sure why these are counted in qb stats at all.

I remember we had these threads for Cassel.

We really did.

Cassel never put up those numbers against those ranked defenses with said opposing qbs being whi they are.

I really don't know how you can shoot holes in the 3-3 start the Chiefs are on. To be that playing the schedule they have, maybe, just maybe, this is a good football team

It is truly a marvelous thing, to go .500.

I guess that's all you've got so l, yeah, keep grinding away.

You are always going to have these threads unless you land a qb like luck or have a first ballot HOFer like manning. It's just the nature of the position. Unfortunately those rare players are extremely hard to find. Maybe it's a good thing that they are so rare... How does the saying go? If everyone is special then no one is.

No. Because Trent Green once led the ****ing NFL in passing.

Alex Smith is no Trent Green.

Trent green seems to think he's pretty good. But i never watched Trent myself so i can't compare them.

How many QBs in the league could do what Alex Smith has done this year in this offense?

I would say half at the minimum. More like 15-20.

Just tell them: no deep balls, short passes, no passes into double coverage, give the ball to your RB and eat time off the clock.

Hell I would imagine Peyton or Brady in this system would be like 23/25 220 yards and one to two tds and zero picks every game if you told them they could only throw high percentage throws.

So if a QB has a terrible offensive line, or the RB F"s up on a designed block play and gets our QB sacked ur saying alex's QBR on ESPN goes down because of that?

I wouldn't use that QBR system then and I don't know why u would either.. making a QB's rating worse because hes sacked beacause of someone else is idiotic.

Hey, the Royals are in the World Series and the Chiefs won a meaningful game.

This is when the ground falls out from beneath us.

While I agree, Green had a great OL.

Green isn't doing that behind this line.

Not to mention the best TE ever.

LMAO probably.

Remember Cassel though, he caused a lot of his sacks.

Yeah, but the rules are more QB friendly now. Plus if he had Davis and Charles, and throwing to Kelce. I think he would do just as fine today, if not better.

Yep because the only way to truly evaluate a QB, is by passer yards.

Yep you did.

Nobody can be this ****ing stupid.

Yeah, he didn't have Charles and Davis, JUST PRIEST ****ING HOLMES AND LARRY ****ING JOHNSON. Gosh, he didn't have Kelce, just TONY ****ING GONZALEZ.

Oh yeah, and HE HAD ONE OF THE GREATEST ****ING OFFENSIVE LINES IN THE HISTORY OF THE ****ING NFL INSTEAD OF ONE OF THE WORST.

Goddamit all, congratulations on one of the stupidest ****ing posts in the history of Chiefsplanet.

More martyr bullshit.

It's ****ing football. It's entertainment. Stop making yourself seem like a battered spouse. You can't get excited because this team wasn't built with who you wanted and you're going to cry and troll about it even after wins.

You ****ing devoted time to the Save our Chiefs movement and now's the time you want to be a whiny vagina constantly? When this team is beating good teams on the road.

Wahhh, my QB didn't throw for 300 yards. Wahhh, I wanted Geno Smith.

Get a ****ing grip.

He has no interest in being happy. It would ruin his entire schtick.

And the QB he just had to have is much worse than the one he is bitching about.

Yes people are really going to believe that you

1) arent a known troll and no life liar who has no time take 2 minutes to search for a quote when i supposedly did this 'all the time' and posted 'hundreds' of spam posts

2) are smart enough to use the search function but just choose not to because you are taking the high road

3) wouldnt immediately try to find quotes that proved your e-peen wasn't the size of a tic tac, and post it...IF THEY ACTUALLY EXISTED.


The bottom line is you are a ****ing troll, tool and nothing exists that you claim does. YOU are the one making the claim, I'm saying go ahead and prove it. The problem is, you are a piece of shit liar and you can't.

Now you are a liar twice over.

Jesus, you're not just a liar, but a schizophrenic as well.

I've tried to treat you like a human, and you still respond to the slightest disagreement with hyperbole and profane attacks. Then when you come to your senses, you lavish superlatives and toady up like a poverty Simply Red [no offense, SR, just referring to your efforts to try to make everyone play nice, not pwn's psychotic alter ego].

Your posts are image only posts deep in the middle of years old bajillion page threads, so it's no 'two minute search.' But it doesn't matter, because I know what I know and I know what I saw.

Like I said, it wasn't a big deal, and I was perfectly content to let it lie and let you live it down. But I'm not going to let YOU lie, and play the honor police now like it never happened.

Take your meds, take a nap. Settle down. Feel free to apologize, whether for the lie, or lying about me, when you come to your sentences. Or remain in your schizo coma, I don't care either way.

But don't try to sling lies thinking no one remembers. We do.

Nah.

Nah' he isn't...

This

Supposedly I make "hundreds" of spam posts yet you can't manage to find any of them...when asked.

Honestly how would YOU respond if someone wrongfully accused you of this? Honestly?

You'd NOT ask them to prove it?

You'd NOT call them liars when they couldn't?

It should be a simple matter to point everyone to my hundreds of spam posts...if it wasn't a lie.

You would react EXACTLY the same way as me...

By demanding proof...since it SHOULD be easy.

I'm with Clay up to this point. There are enough problem areas on this team (Coaching, play calling, and talent) that we can be competitive in the regular season but we're not winning a post season game.

And we've watched this approach before. Marty/Carl sat on their hands and didn't do anything because they felt they had enough. Pissholey, same thing. "We're drafting for depth now."

This I don't care about. Alex Smith was Dorsey's best use of draft picks so far...

Pawn, we love ya but you were swallowing Cassel condoms on a daily basis back then...and in the big picture, those of us that wanted to suck for luck were right.

Luck is and will be the best player in the league for the next decade.

This is the likely truth of it. Just happens to seem sad that people can't or won't enjoy any success in the meantime because of it. I won't judge that harshly (and yeah, I did before)... as I have not walked in the Chiefs' suffering as others have.

Lived and learned.

Glad to see more and more people calling Go Chiefs out on his still on going bullshit.

I know it's hard for dumbasses like you that only knew the Chiefs existed a year and a half ago, but the Chiefs have only been winning regular season games for the last 2 decades.

He doesn't care about the Chiefs. He just wants to be worshipped as some kind of a football guru.

Unfortunately for him, that ship buried itself in the silt some time ago.

shit poster is shit

I don't know how you can feel like this after last season's post season's game. It's not as if the Chiefs were blown out. The injuries in that game were unfathomable and still the Chiefs were a pointed toe away from winning the game. And, as improbable as it seemed pre-season, I think this team is better than the team last year - and is playing tough and beating teams with a winning record. Should they make it into the post season this year, it will be by beating teams in one of the leagues tougher schedules so they will be better prepared than they were last year as well.

I'm not saying you should go full rainbows and butterflies if that is not your style, but to categorically say that they can't or won'twin a post season game seems like too far a swing on the pendulum to me.

You could have said that about the Royals as well. Have they won a post season game lately?

hard to argue with that...

On the surface, I disagree.. just when I think about the WRs, OL, and injuries to the defensive starters.

.. but you are right. All of the deficiencies could improve enough to give em a legit shot.

Better ( for me, at least ) to simply go game by game... not get ahead in worrying about the postseason... not yet.

Thats probably (in your defense) because you havent been a chiefs fan for very long..

Youll have to pardon long time fans for not allowing the cruel goddess of hope to infect our hearts only to rip it away violently, a la "the colts playoff game" last year.

I would be super duper happy beyond words if we win even one wildcard playoff game.

I hate that 'monkey' on our backs....I just think the odds are pretty long, considering we will have to play an away game against a divisional winner week 1 of the playoffs...

Anyway...don't mistake the mindset of trying to keep our hopes 'tempered' (pun intended) with just WAITING to go crazy if we actually pull this off.

The teams that are leading their divisions got better from last season to this.


Kansas City did not. You can argue they're as good as last year playing a tougher schedule, but that's still not better.

"If you're not getting better, you're getting worse."

This is very true also

This seems, and I may be misreading, like an 'other than that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?' post.

Clay isn't about refining coaching and playcalling, or a comprehensive assessment and upgrade of the roster.

Clay is about trolling that each and every Chiefs fan woe can be thrown at the feet of Alex, Fisher and ultimately Clark.

He's picked the 3 things least likely to change in a good, great many years, and obsessed on them to the effect of complete tunnel vision. He's so intent on being a master troll, that he's neglected the rest of the world, including the NFL world, to his detriment.

For him the NFL exists solely to 'GIF up' Alex and Fisher, and snark from the cheap seats.

What do the Royals have to do with the Chiefs?

The Chiefs are still 3rd in the division and 9th in the conference. They wont be making the playoffs at this rate.

WRs are really the same that we had last year. and still we came within a pointed toe of winning a playoff game. And... DAT>McCluster. (It's early, but I think the Chiefs are better with that "trade".) Also, Kelce>McGrath.

OL is a train wreck, no doubt, but somehow they are getting it done and playing better than expected and will only improve the longer we go along here...

Injuries to the Defense - this one I thought would be the killer to the Chiefs after game 1. I didn't think the team had any hope after that game. Yet here they are at 3 and 3 (with 5 heavily contested games against Broncos, Chargers, Niners, Patriots and Miami - no slouches) and the defense coming in as one of the better defenses in the league. Go figure....

Amen to that brother. One game at a time.

they also get guaranteed home games, if youre talking about the WS

I don't see how anyone can say the Chiefs aren't improved from last year.

On reading his post, that was my 1st thought too...

CLEARLY this is a much better football team..

But on 2nd read, I believe he just meant record wise (as in we wont win 11 games)...

But I agree with you O.city...this team is undeniably a better team.....in most ways.....

You used the past 2 decades of non-playoff wins for the Chiefs as a reasoning why the Chiefs won't win a playoff game this year.

One could have used the same argument for the Royals this year and he/she would have been wrong.

That's all.

1) Which is why it's pointless to have a long winded argument with him about it.

2) Our no 1 pick is now an "acceptable" LT. I'd guess he's still in the bottom 1/3 of the league but he's no longer a complete abortion. And he's our 1.1

Smith is the best use of our picks so far and he's a top 15 QB. Not great - better than average.

We haven't added any solid starters through the draft other than Kelcee. And clearly the draft and the scrap heap is where we're trying to build this team...

Actually, I didn't.

I said the Chiefs have only been winning regular season games the past 2 decades.

The Chiefs wont win a playoff game this year because they likely wont be in the playoffs.

Glad I could clear that up for you. If you need more help with reading, just let me know.

I don't need to pardon you or any long time fans. As a longtime fan of the Sacramento Kings, (sorry KC) I know a bit what it's like to never sniff the post season. But to me, if you don't allow yourself any hope or any optimism at all, even through all of the losing, than what's the point? It probably won't happen this year, maybe next year or 5 years... but if you don't at least allow for the possibility during the regular season, than you'll miss the "ride" when it does happen.

Anyway.... I'm pulling for you guys. Would love to see the Chiefs fans get some payoff.

The front office iis in year 2 of their tenure and have had draft picks that have played a year and 6 games and 6 games. Seems pretty early to make any determinations on anything but I guess that's just me.

Yes... let's pretend we actually hate each other and be combative. That will satisfy some animalistic need in you. Let me know if you need more help with being a decent person.

Chiefs are through the hard part of their schedule (early tough part that is). Really need to win a few in a row here to make up some ground.

Thise buffalo and 9ers losses are probably going to come back to bite us