I was thinking Avant and Cason in free agency then..

1. S Jimmie Ward
3. G Chris Watt
4. KR DAT
5. Trade our 6th to move up and get Aaron Lynch
6. LDT ( I like his potential)

I'll play.

1. Jimmie Ward, FS, Northern Illinois
3. Donte Moncrief, WR, Ole Miss
4. Dakota Dozier, OG/OT, Furman
5. Zach Mettenberger, QB, LSU
6. Jeff Janis, WR, Saginaw State
6. Dan McCullers, NT, Tennessee

Seriously how much better would this secondary be right now with Cason and Ward in it? My God.

And Cason was very affordable for us.

Some very nice drafts above, gents... Ward was definitely one of my favorite picks for KC....

You guys taking Dennard or Ward over Bridgewater are high on shrooms.

To sit around for another 4 years behind Smith?

Andy is sticking with Smith. Drafting a QB in the first does nothing to help this team in the next three years. Heck, even if Alex gets hurt, no rookie is going to develop with this OL and limited receiving group.

Direkshun have you been watching Hardknocks? I have and I'm glad we didn't take Hageman. He just doesn't seem like a first rd pick to me. He doesn't appear to be very tough either in his personality. More of a class clown type.

I made my selections in my post a few posts back ignoring hindsight.

I was hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh as a mother****er on Hageman going into the Draft.

And yet, Andy Reid was almost certainly going to draft Johnny Football if he had lasted another pick.

Yeah....before Smith got his contract. If Smith didn't have his contract right now....I'd take Bridgewater in the 1st.

Oh, you're time traveling. My bad.

Really? He was going to take the most undisciplined, free-wheeling QB in the draft, when he is in love with the ultra conservative, don't even think about making a mistake QB - Alex Smith.

I must have missed the Reid presser when he said "Damnabit, Cleveland took our player and we had to settle fo Ford."

Phillip Gaines
 

Pedigree? They're both undrafted scrubs.

One showed the ability to play in game situations. The other looked like absolute dog shit... We kept the latter.

What the **** are you talking about? Bronson is a training camp hero? Did he do a damned thing in training camp?

Gaines sucks right now..patience

Dennard could help the D.

Bridgewater would do nothing for us this year without targets or an O line...

One has been here for a year
The other has been here for a very short few months

That's the HUGE difference to me.

One blew dicks and the other actually seemed decent.

That's the huge difference to me.

Yup, one looked like he could play while the other looked like he could be a kicker, at best.

It's preseason games. I would hope that what's more important is your college scouting report, college game film, what you see on the practice field, and what you see potential-wise. If Bronson was a surefire gamer, that's fine. But nobody is picking him up off waivers even though he's young, cheap, and apparently flashed potential. This is just an example of people taking way too much stock in limited preseason snaps to evaluate young talent.

In the end, it's a JAG over a JAG. It's not even like we're talking about the regular season. We're talking about the preseason. I don't think Sorensen will amount to much but let's at least wait until the regular season to see what we have.

I usually agree that preseason doesn't mean much... But in this case, whoever won that battle would likely see a significant amount of snaps this season.

They both played a significant amount of time with the starters, against other starters. Bronson appeared to be able to hold his own while Sorenson was involved in, and even directly responsible for, the two biggest plays our first team units allowed this preseason. It wasn't just those two plays either, he looked like burnt dog shit in coverage and against the run.

So, let me see if I understand.

Malcolm Bronson is a FS with the ability to cover in nickel, but it was the right decision to release him and hang on to Sorensen, who is a strong safety with some potential, though no one here has actually any evidence of that potential.

On the other hand, we just signed a vet to play the role that Bronson would have played in this defense, and he Bronson actually displayed potential, and the vet has a history of suck.

Just love the consistency.

Since you're so hung up on college scouting reports, here is one on Bronson.

He actually showed many of these traits during the pre-season games, which means that, unlike Sorensen, Bronson's game actually translates to the NFL and not just college; which is why him being cut in favor of Sorensen is very puzzling to me and many other people.

Sorenson is the equivalent of a bag of smashed assholes. No one wants him.

If the guy had potential then why is nobody else taking a crack at him?

I don't know who is better than the other. I think it's silly to compare apples to apples one guy who has had a full year to learn the defense and another guy who has been with the team for 2 months. And to suggest that preseason reps are the only thing important for showing potential. Maybe the team liked what they saw on college film, they liked what he showed in the film room, they liked what they saw in the countless hours of practice that we didn't see. When we're talking about rookies, those are hella more important than preseason snaps. Knile Davis was a complete disaster last year's preseason. Countless others were too.

Different reasons. Just a few days ago, we complained that we don't have enough safeties who are NFL ready. Coleman is more NFL ready than both Sorensen and Bronson. We need a guy who can plug in and play right away. Despite how Bronson looked against scrubs, I would be surprised if he's going to play any better than a veteran like Coleman. Again, if we're talking about cutting a guy everyone is hyped about, great. The only people who seem to care are Chiefs' fans, most of whom probably never heard of or cared about the guy until he played in meaningless exhibition games.

Maybe they caught Bronson banging Clark Hunt's wife?

Jerrod McMillan is more NFL ready than Daniel Sorensen.

You can't sell shit both ways.

Jerrod McMillan isn't ready to be in the starting lineup if the situation calls for it. Not ready to play the Demps role. Sorensen isn't. Bronson isn't. Coleman may not be good but he can do that right away and he costs nothing.

It's not like Coleman was picked over Bronson. Coleman was brought in as a guy they can plug in right away. Sorensen was competing with Bronson for the guy they thought they could develop. Maybe they could have kept two but you're talking about two guys at Safety who probably would never see the field this year.

You are one two sides of an ass talking mother****er.

You have an answer for everything, and every ****ing answer is wrong.

McMillan was competing for the same postion that Sorenson was, and he isn't good at it, but he's a damn sight better than Sorensen is right now, and he's a shit ton better than Coleman is at his job.

You just love the rainbows and lollipops the Chiefs just shove up your asshole.

This is the dumbest argument and you keep making it.

NONE of our cuts have been picked up by other teams. Just b/c they aren't good enough for any other team doesn't mean they weren't good enough to make this shit show. There are players on or 53 who would be unemployed this year if it weren't for us. Sorensen was HORRENDOUS.

Will lollipops fit up a total true fans asshole though? That's the real question here.

It's the internet. There's bound to be people who would want bags of smashed assholes.

Holy ****ing shit. I have never seen a bunch of people so riled up over signing and keeping guys who cost NOTHING. Who were picked over guys who aren't getting picked up and are probably terrible. Sorensen, Coleman, McCray, Bronson, McMillan... all these guys are scrubs.

Yet it's being hung up as the poster child of terrible moves made by the Chiefs.

It just shows that people want to bitch for the sake of bitching. Malcolm Bronson isn't signing anywhere. He easily cleared waivers. It's not like we're missing out on some magical player and 99% sure if he's any better than Sorensen or Coleman or McCray, it's because he sucks less but he still sucks. And it's just as funny hearing so many people riled up about Coleman when the majority of us have not paid attention to him for a single snap.

I am not farting sunshine. I have said repeatedly I don't think much of Sorensen. I don't see Coleman sticking around long. I'm just laughing at the pettiness that this board is so pissed off about keeping a guy who probably is going to suck instead of keeping a guy who is probably going to suck.

Which would be fine, except that people are talking about keeping Bronson because of "potential."

No, we want to keep Bronson over Sorensen because Bronson actually made some plays and showed that his instincts and aggressiveness translated from his college game to the NFL.

Sorensen, on the other hand, only showed that he was very easy to pick on in coverage and also a complete non-factor against the run. He looked like he didn't belong on any NFL roster. He looked like a random guy who was picked up off of the streets who could run reasonably fast, played a lot of Madden, and was asked to sub in for a few games. That's not a good thing.

It's not about Bronson v. Sorenson, McMillan v. Coleman.

It's about this brilliant ****ing plan you think they are implementing v. an actual good plan.

You think they are making some smart decisions.

We think both they, and you, are completely ****ed up dipshits.

This plan you think they have working will have them competing in 5 years, except it won't, because by that time they'll need a QB, and replacements for the players they think they're building around.

I'm not bitching just to bitch. I'm actually a Titans loss away from tuning the whole season out.

I just really, really don't like Sorenson. He sucks.

Knew he was a project when we took him. And think that's fine for the range he was drafted. Still disappointed but not at all surprised by his performance so far, and expect a lot in the future. The draft is not for instant gratification, as much as we want it to be. Building for now and later both, and sometimes it's okay for now to take a back seat.

I have never said the plan was brilliant. I said they are taking the approach but Dorsey has a ton to prove with his draft picks and I'm skeptical about how they will turn out. But it starts by not placing such a ridiculous expectation on an undrafted rookie that we decide his ceiling in his first ****ing preseason. As I said, I don't think Sorenson will amount to anything. I don't think Bronson will either.

I have said many times I think Dorsey whiffed on 2013 including the draft and that he needs to be nails with this year's and next year's draft picks to work out. I'm worried they won't. As I've said a million times, this year's approach was the right one. The execution is another thing. But if we are revolving around the draft, let's start first with cutting out this ridiculous ideas that all rookies have to be quality starters by game 1.

Ok - ignorant fan question here:

Which safety positions did/do Sorenson and Bronson play? What about Coleman and McCray?

Thx

I assume Sorensen will be a SS, but he's bad at everything. He can play either position because he doesn't have a strength.

Bronson was FS. I wanted him around because I saw the same ballhawking ability that Quinton Demps had last year as a 3rd safety on the field, and he wasn't as big of a pussy when he had to make a tackle.

McCray is a FS, so I'm going to assume Coleman is a SS. I know nothing about him, though.

So it's possible that Bronson was let go in favor of McCray, not Sorenson?

It's not that Bronson was let go in favor of Sorensen.

It's that, if you believe the bullshit being spouted by Chiefzilla, that their decisions are inconsistent.

Sorensen was kept in favor of Jerrod McMillan.
Bronson was let go and replaced by Coleman, essentially.

McMillen sucks.
Coleman sucks even harder.

But chiefzilla is talking out both sides of his ass, because that's apparently what you do with rainbows and lolipops up there.

I pretty much skipped over all that stuff between you and 'Zilla, but - ok.

LMAO

As far as "Chris" Gaines, I'm not at all worried yet... everyone knew he was a raw measurables/skills guy going into this and CB's usually take a few years to develop, CB is truly a skill position and it takes a bit to acquire those skills for most.

That's really interesting that you call me out when this entire board is bitching about picking Sorenson over Bronson.

And I don't know what's so hard about this... Right now, Sorenson is a backup. Coleman is going to play a demps role which means he is going to see the field quite a bit. The Chiefs clearly wanted a guy that could immediately take snaps right away, which is Coleman, and they wanted a developmental guy who would probably see the field and that's Bronson vs. Sorenson. They went with Sorenson. He will probably rarely see the field unless someone gets hurt.

Sorensen won't see the field unless Berry gets hurt, right?

No chance that happens.

I mean, it's not like Berry missed most of the preseason because he was hurt.

You're full of shit.
Don't try to sell it here, Rufus.

Sorenson didn't have problems tackling in college. The strength listed for him was that he's an excellent student of the game. You do realize that strong safety in a Ryan defense is extremely complicated, right? Arguably the most challenging mental position on the defense.

As you said, he's not a physical freak so he has to make up for it by football smarts. There is no way you can expect him to do that in 2 months. He looked lost and tentative more than anything. Again, I don't think much of him but I certainly don't think he's nearly as bad as he looked in the preseason and think he needs a lot more time to figure his shit out. In the end, Sorenson and Bronson will probably both be garbage, as will McCray and Coleman, so the amount of outrage over which player is less garbagey is kind of amusing.

no, clark is into that

(/SNR)

Not sure why everyone is so hung up on Bronson. He made a few nice plays but he also blew some coverages. We have no idea why he was cut, maybe he couldn't fully grasp his assignments.

Hell, Michael Sam had 3 sacks this preseason and that didn't stop him from being cut.

Speaking of which, have the Chiefs announced their PS yet?

And ftr Rufus, the argument between you and I has never been about Sorensen v. Bronson.

It's been about the inconsistency these decisions demonstrate.

I don't give a rat's ass what anyone else is arguing.

You can swing Abdullah to Strong Safety and put Coleman or McCray at FS. Whoever doesn't play FS will play the Demps role. Basically, if the Chiefs ever find themselves in the spot where they have to rely on Sorenson, they're ****ed anyway. Sorenson is the definition of last resort.

There is nothing inconsistent about what they are doing. When young guys aren't ready, they bring in cheap replacements to stopgap. That's better than a year ago when they were paying $2-5M for a stopgap.

This isn't hard. The Chiefs like to put 3 safeties on the field. Sorenson isn't ready to be a 2nd safety let alone a Demps safety. Much as people want to hype the bejeezus out of him, Bronson probably isn't either. They brought in a guy who could stopgap. If the Chiefs don't see any potential whatsoever in Bronson there is no reason to keep him around. If they saw potential, they would have put him on their practice squad and I don't think they did that.

We had absolute garbage at the the back end of the roster and were in danger of that garbage seeing the starting lineup. So we bought a guy for < $1M who isn't very good but has experience to step in right away.

Isn't Sorenson higher on the depth chart than McCray and Coleman?

I mean, McCray is on the same level. They're both backups to the starter. I don't know where Coleman lands on the depth chart. But I would be shocked if Coleman or McCray wasn't the Demps guy. I would be even more shocked if they asked Sorenson to play that role.

Guys with potential flash that potential.

The shit you're trying to sell is that this guy has no business ever seeing the field, but deserves a roster spot because he showed potential in practice.

Next you're going to tell us how preseason doesn't matter.

The lie to that is that there isn't a coach who won't tell you that preseason does matter because it gives them the opportunity to see if that practice translates to real game situations.

Sorensen's practice didn't.

He has no business being on this roster, and the shit you're selling is still just shit.

At LEAST he's not spewing shit about the thinking that went into assembling the Chiefs JAG OL...Or selling Rishaw Johnson LMAO... However, this is JUST as reeruned.

Damn Zilla, what's it like to be so wrong all the time about simple stuff???:bong:

I'm not going to thread swerve. But you keep bringing up Rishaw Johnson:
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/bb/showthread.php?t=282425

You can go ahead and read my take on Rishaw Johnson and find me a single quote where I'm "selling" Rishaw Johnson as anything but cheap competition for an unimportant position.

Fire up the plane???

He got a roster spot because we need safeties and they think he's the best we can do. He's on the roster because they compared him to shit and decided he was the better of the shit. Again, it's not like he's bumping off studs to get a roster spot. For crying out loud, people on this board are outraged because he got a roster spot over a guy who didn't make ANYBODY'S practice squad.

Preseason does matter but it matters a hell of a lot less for a rookie, especially given new rules of the CBA. Knile Davis looked like complete dog shit last year. Dontari Poe was a disaster his first year. Branden Albert was a disaster. I would hope that in the first preseason the evaluation has a shitload more to do with the overall picture than a few preseason games. Bronson on the other hand... he had a full year to learn the defense and to know what it takes to play in the NFL. It's not even close to a fair comparison.



Apparently most teams agree about Bronson too. I don't see you calling out people who are on here treating Bronson like he is some kind of high upside player. At least I'm realistic to know both Sorenson and Bronson are probably going to be shit.

Can Sorensen get even ONE ****ing real games worth of action before he's declared the worst damn decision of they year?

No?

Ok carry on, my crystal ball must be a bit cloudier than everyone elses.

This place I swear.

How many ****ing times do I have to tell you this isn't about Sorenesen v. Bronson.

Let me say it slow.

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This is about the stupid shit your useless dumb ass spews, dipshit.



And your shit about preseason and rookies is still shit.

If these preseason games were as meaningless as you try to spin it, then there would be no ****ing preseason games.

And Knile Davis ain't all that, either.

He isn't nearly as good as some , like your dumb ass, want to believe.

But he ****ing sucks.

What's the excuse when Sorensen comes in as the 3rd safety and gets burned deep by the Titans? Oh, well he's just a UDFA, can't expect him to make that play. Bullshit, he made the 53, he should be able to make that play and stop the deep ball. Otherwise, why the hell would he even be on the roster?

You've been going on a tirade about "consistency." I said that Coleman was brought in to start in a Demps role, Sorenson was kept to back up and develop. You've yet to come up with anything resembling rebuttal for that except some dumb argument about... well, if Berry gets hurt which even that doesn't make sense.

Your other comment about consistency was that I should apparently be criticizing keeping Sorenson because it shows the Chiefs ignored the Safety position. That has nothing to ****ing to do with whether Sorenson should have gotten a roster spot. Complete red herring. As I've said repeatedly, Sorenson made the roster because they picked one shitty player over another shitty player. Period.

I didn't say Knile Davis was great. Just that he improved dramatically from last year where he was hot garbage in the preseason. Poe. Kelce. Albert. All garbage their first preseasons. The list goes on and on. It has gotten harder since the new CBA which doesn't allow rookies nearly as much practice time as 5 years ago. The leap to the NFL means learning a new playbook and adjusting to a totally different speed. A rookie can improve just by learning that playbook and getting used to the NFL. A second year player can't use that excuse anymore. So yes, it is idiotic to judge a rookie purely on immediate product and not based on potential. I am guessing the Chiefs have a lot of college film, endless scouting reports, and coaches who have watched him many, many times in practice before they made that decision. Again, it's not like they kept him and scrapped someone good.

If anyone here other than sac was arguing that this guy is a long-term option, then fine. The guy made the roster because it was either shit or shit. This conversation wouldn't even be taking place if not for all the hype around a player in Bronson who hasn't even made anybody's practice squad.

The Chiefs are very thin at lots of positions. Dorsey has got to be nails in the draft to improve that depth and so far, he hasn't been good. That has a lot more to do with the problem than this ridiculous argument about if the green shit is better than the brown shit. They're both shit.

No shit.

These guys are on Sorensen's jock like loose pubes and the guy was an UDFA who apparently did enough to impress the coaching staff to make him one of the 53 on roster.

Now, conversely, take Dee Ford, who has looked worse than anybody (other than possibly Phil Gaines), and it's all about "give him time, he's a rookie, blah, blah, blah..."

It's apparently alright to bash the shit out of a UDFA who makes the team, but first round draft picks are holy ground.

And Sorensen has received raves throughout the entire off-season/pre-season from the coaching staff. He's apparently been absolute balls in practice. But all these coach potato GM's on CP have apparently seen enough in a couple of preseason games that they have become judge, jury and executioner for one guy. A guy that was apparently, in the eyes of the coaching staff (who apparently are a bunch of ****ing reeruns according to the CP geniuses) better than the other guy who everyone wanted because someone posted PFF numbers that got their dicks hard.

Yes, because every player on the 53 will make every play every single time. With your logic, we might as well cut everyone not named Jamaal Charles.

This is most likely a very simply case of Sorenson knew where he was suppose to be and when to be there and Bronson didn't. We also don't know how many blown coverages Bronson was responsible for. It's a silly argument really.

LMAO I'm definitely with you here... all of the river barge deckhands and entry level accounting firm guys are almost certainly to be more trusted than the pro's, I mean seriously... why the hell are we being so stupid?

When Bronson starts knocking mfers dicks in the dirt on an NFL crew and Sorensen is cut, then let me know and rub it in good... until then, shut the **** UP and let the pro's do their job.

The only thing I'll grant every single "Pat Angerer" is that much of what I just said sounds a lot like what I said about certain players under Pioli... all I can say in defense is, look at the results from this groups first year.

Pioli never even approached this level of success here, he WAS a fraud... this new crew is NOT.

Who said anything of the sort? Who placed expatriations on Sorensen or Bronson? Apparently only you. Nobody expects anything of either. Nobody. Do I think either will be a quality starter someday? Probably not.

The point is, and apparently you're missing it, who is the better player NOW? If by some crazy chance we end up having to go that far down on our depth chart for a starter, for multiple games, who do you trust more, Bronson, or Sorensen?

The answer is obvious...

The development of Philip Gaines is going to be absolutely crucial to this team this year. If he doesn't become good very quickly, our defense is going to be in a major shit hole all year long.

Our defensive line is going to have to play like the Giants' DL did during their recent Superbowl runs or like the Panthers' front 7 did last year.

So if I'm going to get called out as contradictory, then if what you're saying is true, then those same people shouldn't complain about Kurt Coleman over Bronson because of all the three Coleman is the most ready by a mile. Second most ready is Kelcie McCray.

The Chiefs have several layers before it would ever get to the point of stooping to playing Sorensen or Bronson. So if that's the case, then why the focus on who's more ready now? Does that mean every rookie should always be cut from the roster because he didn't beat a veteran who had a year to learn the playbook? For a board that is so insistent on playing young guys, this argument doesn't make one damn bit of sense.

This guy looked like our best CB in his first ever game today. I was very pleased with him today. Good job Phillip!
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He definitely had some big plays, but he got lost in coverage a few times as well. He needs to be seasoned a bit more, but I am liking what I am seeing.

Has shown he has athletic ability in spades.

He's fast and he's long.

Kid played well today.