Im not sure why that is absurd. The 49ers have the same thing.

They took both staley and davis in the first round, as well as Iupati...

I don't think that's absurd in the least.

Depends on how long he wants, how much guaranteed money. The size and years of the contract are actually irrelevant. They could front load a contract for him that essentially is posed as a 3 year deal which is about what he would have left anyways, but it be a 5 year deal.

can't trade Albert, can't sign him. seems like a good candidate for riding two season on tag then bye

Except that he didn't hold the block and allowed the defender to easily disengage. To be fair though, he immediately looked to his hand as if it bothered him.

Yeah, and if that happens, then any chance of him getting that long term contract, are gone.

that's why the last action item in my scenario is "bye" :D

He had his ass handed to him by BACKUPS and was on the ground at least twice.

fish was raw talent compared with Joeckel -- we covered this during pre draft threads. the staff knows he's going to take time

especially playing the opposite side

Don't know why you would tag him a second time and have to pay him QB money? Seems like a waste of resources.

Its good for him to get his ass handed to him right now.

he is going to be fine. Its a transition. learning a new position, playing against a big big jump in competition.

its all relative.

Indianapolis gets 2 Franchise QB's for 25 years with their 1st picks.


The Chiefs get a project RT with their 1st pick.


**** everything.

I know we don't want to upset Albert, but there seems to be little chance he will be back next year.

I'm not sure why we shouldn't give Fisher time at LT and see if he does better over there. He's the future at LT anyway. Albert is just a rent a player, essentially

Might as well. Already blew the top pick on him.

You are relentless. When things fit your agenda you are on top of it. Let me see you post something against the grain for you and I will read it.

I have no agenda when it comes to Eric Fisher. I want him to be a badass mother****er.

Too bad he had a really bad game.

Remember when people were calling for moving Albert and playing Fisher at LT right away?

You need to re-watch the tape. Fishers play was not acquire for the regular season. It does seem the Online is behind in their understanding of blocking assignments, bit Fisher just got beat, a lot. Pass pro and run game.

You gotta time the suck just right.

Sigh.

Indy has it down to an art form. We suck at sucking.

Everything you post is about the bad so if I misread my bad. It's to be expected. You like to be right.

It's hard to be positive on an internet forum. I think it's just natural that when you agree with someone, you just nod and keep scrolling. When someone is wrong, you post and refute it. Because of that, message boards can tend to be pretty negative.

I don't see myself as a negative person in real life, but sometimes you read CP and make 5 or 6 posts and feel like you only said negative stuffs.

Of course, it's far easier to be a naysayer on this board, because you go hard at the negative side and if you're right you're right, but if you're wrong you just get to say "I'm happy I was wrong" or "Sure, I run this player down all day and night, but I want him to be great". So you get to straddle the fence and celebrate victory no matter what happens, not a terrible position.

+1

No, it's hard to be positive about this franchise.

BUT JUST GIVE IT TIME

It is what it is. It is easier to follow the herd's mentality than to formulate your own opinion and stand out from the crowd since so many people want to be right instead of hoping. I get that we will more than likely not do well this season, but it is ridiculous to be at the point the we have to be pissed that a rookie struggled in his 2nd preseason game, when the top of this draft was pretty barren in regard to top selections.
/end rant
Continue to rotate CP.

LMAO

Boy, where have I heard that before.

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He's young and has an injury he is dealing with. It's probably best to let him heal. You can't come to any conclusions in the 2nd preseason game. It will be mid season or late before you know what you got. And maybe even next year. It can 2 years for a young Tackle to adjust to the NFL. He has enormous talent, size and strength. Also athleticism. I think he will be fine.

Not even getting into it with you, Clay. I know where your priorities lay.

There are tons of people on this board that love the Eric Fisher pick. They love the Alex Smith trade. There are plenty of people that like one of those moves, but not the other. And there are a ton of people that hate both of those moves.

There's a steady distribution there.

People have unreasonable expectations because our HC and GM got "their guys". They decided that for our future and that in order to win right now, Fisher and Alex Smith were the best available options. Time will tell, but they better be right because we just struggled through four years of insufferable pricks that thought they got "their guys".

And I sure as **** want to see the best available NFL prospect look like it out of the gate. That's it.

Not claiming you do this, but its just as easy to predict a winning record year after year, and never get called out for it. The same people, say the same thing, every single year. 9-7. 10-6. X,Y and Z are sure wins, we have an easy schedule, and so on.

But it's not just one game. Reports were that he had not looked great during training camp and even the Saints game last week included Fisher getting bull rushed.

The shocking thing is this has not even been against good competition.

Exactly.

And the people that are asking for some patience with Fisher are the same folks that absolutely crucify young players on other teams.

If the 1st overall pick was playing like this for a rival, holy shit, that's all you'd hear about around here.

I guess I have failed to see that. I get wanting the best out of
The gate, but it was even told to us that it was potential that made the selection not refinement.

Sure, and I don't predict anything really - I have no clue what to expect out of this franchise anymore.

I think naysaying is a good way to draw attention to yourself or to set up some kind of heads I win/tails you lose

A couple more years of 1st and 2nd round offensive linemen will have this OLine clicking on all cylinders.

Traded for another QB that needs a century to make good decisions.

He comes from a program where the competition level is not the highest. It will take him a while to adjust. Maybe the entire year. I still think he can make it and turn out real good. He has a good coaching staff and they will teach him. He's in a adjustment time period. The jump in competition level is real big.

Adjustment period? He's the number 1 pick for Christ's sake and he has shown absolutely 0 potential.

He is switching positions as a rookie in a shortened training camp, we are only 2 weeks into the preseason, and is apparently playing hurt. And we all knew that after having played at Central Michigan, there would be a learning curve.

I agree that the guy has to be nothing short of pro bowler, and he still won't live up to being 1.1. I get all that stuff. I'm not crazy about taking a RT at 1.1 either. I just can't stand the agendas that people are using a game this early in the preseason to drive an "I told you so" agenda. The kid deserves a reasonable amount of time to prove what he can do. The idea that he HAS to be a great player from the get-go... who really cares if he is? We're not winning the Super Bowl this year.

WARNING logical poster here.

So why did we take him number 1?

I am fine with Fisher out of the players who were available at the top of the draft.

But we do have to understand he didn't play against top collegiate competition before, let alone NFL level competition. He's also not playing his natural position. I kind of feel like he should be playing LT now because he will be our LT of the future, Branden Albert's ego be damned.

But you also are afraid of the "shades of Trezelle Jenkins" feeling, where Whitlock wrote that memorable column about how he hated the pick, and Gunther gave him this big spiel, showing him game film and saying how Tree's problems were all technique and they could coach him up.

Who knows what'll happen... there's probably no use slicing each other up about it.

I guess I don't understand why goatse feels the need to gloat when someone on our team goes out there and fails. Why take pleasure in that?

Say it with me, potential. Therefore, can we let it play out and see if that ceiling is reached? **** no we can't. CP must bitch!

Hey we brought Alex in to win now. We shored up the line with the best available player. No messy rookie QB learning curve. We have a veteran QB our HC pined for and a line chock full of first round talent to protect him.

We should be aiming for the post season and the Superbowl. That's what these moves were made for.

Fine with drafting a tackle #1 overall to replace Albert.

:facepalm:

I am not a fan of taking any RT at 1.1. Or that high in the first round in general.

But the idea that Fisher ends up being a shitty pick if he ends up as a pro bowler in year 2 or 3, but struggles in his first starts, is just plain ludicrous. Why is it so critical to be a star from game 1?

What potential does Fisher have in helping the Chiefs win a SB?

Do you think the recent SB winners give a **** about one of the best, if not the best, tackle playing for the Browns?

Well, if I accept your premise that Albert is leaving, having a need at LT is worthy of a #1 pick, certainly.

ROFL

Nobody has said "I told us so" in this thread. In fact the only ones bringing up any other draft option are the"true fans". Fisher is being evaluated. The evaluations are pretty fair to boot.

Im not calling him a bust by any means, but the dude has looked about as bad as any 1st round pick we've had, Tyson Jackson included.

Dorsey thought he had Albert sold off and was dead wrong. Now the line has the most talent I've seen in nearly a decade. They should perform like it.

What the **** does it matter what I think? The pick was made. Maybe it won't work out maybe it will, but to bitch at this moment is premature. Who knows what he brings to this team, but let's keep up the dog pile mentality and all circle jerk each other while we complain. That fixes everything.

I seriously laugh my as of at anyone who assumes Albert is gone.

Are we not suppose to take note about how bad he's been playing? Or are we suppose to notice it and just be quiet about it on a forum?

Just shutup and put on the beer goggles! 10 wins minimum! We are going to the ship!

He is being evaluated by people pushing an agenda.

The same people calling him a pussy for a possible injury are the same ones not speaking a word about guys like Geno and Mingo also being injured this preseason. The same people who (even if they didn't want to draft a RT) blasted picking Joeckl over Fisher because he was safer, are the same ones bitching that Fisher is less NFL-ready than Joeckl.

If you want to evaluate Fisher play-by-play, great, let's have that discussion. But it's never going to be a discussion if there are people that set this unrealistic expectation that he has to be some star, injury-free player from the get-go, which everybody knew he was not going to be.

Oh, there are plenty of people staking their claims to be right. That is what matters to some here: calling out "busts" before they happen to have the appearance of football knowledge.

Let's all wish on a star and wait for our dreams to come true. Seriously, have you guys been chiefs fans long? Things don't just work out for us in some sort of dumb luck way. Wait and see again, right?

**** that. I just want the guy to be good. Like right now.

I just figure that Dorsey and Reid wouldn't have drafted Fisher if they agreed with you.

Yes he didn't play top level collegiate competition. But he was the biggest, strongest, fastest, most athletic Tackle in the draft. So who would they draft otherwise? There is an adjustment time frame with him but the upside is the sky. I think you got to gamble on greatness when you have the chance and they did. They could pick somebody with a higher floor but not with a higher ceiling. And they went for the ceiling.

I think that is the right thing to do with the #1 pick.

This is a Chiefs board you dumbass. Who ****ing cares about other teams rookies?

No one is saying that.

But blocking PARYS ****ING HARALSON WOULD BE NICE DAMMIT.

I have zero agenda. He looked like hell. PFF also has no agenda.

Dorsey bet on having Albert sold off by the end of the draft and was dead ****ing wrong. Why should I give that guy the benefit of the doubt again?

So how are the other top 4 picks of the 2013 draft doing? I ask, because those are the guys we need to be comparing Fisher to. His peers. Anyone know?

CP: the place to bitch until next week. Got it.

Because when people are pushing the agenda that the pick should have been Geno instead of Eric Fisher, then yeah, it becomes extremely hypocritical when you rag on one guy for playing injured and not the other.

Must be nice to live in the world where if you take a person in a certain situation and put them in a different situation that they experience the exact same things.

If you can't grasp development then you will continue to be disgruntled. Have fun.

Expecting your 1.1 to be a star isn't realistic? It's expected. If i wanted to draft a player for what he might be 3 years from now, i'd take a QB, not a RT.

We spent an entire offseason arguing this point and look....here we are again.

Until next week? Or until they play worth a shit? Yeah, when they play bad, they will be called bad. Nothing new.

Do you truly expect him to be a star out of the gate? Dorset even said he went with the potential over readiness when he selected Fisher. This damn board wanted Fisher if we had to select a tackle.

But he struggles through the second preseason game and its abandon ****ing ship, because heaven ****ing forbid, you get called out on CP for being a homer.

Joeckel and Lane Johnson have been better than Fisher. So has DJ Fluker.

Eric Fisher is almost the worst ranked OT on PFF right now.

The chances of Fisher being a pro bowl calibre Tackle in year 3 are much higher than any QB in year 3. That's true fan mentaility and not one I support, but that's just fact.

Look, I want to take a chance on playmakers. Again, I'm not excited about the Fisher pick because of positional value. But I think Fisher will be an excellent Right Tackle and think it's silly to think his value is any less because he struggled early on, but became a great player in a reasonable amount of time. Even if Fisher becomes an elite Tackle, it's a terrible pick if Manuel or Geno become franchise QBs. That doesn't change regardless of how he plays early on.

If any of the top 5 this year or top 10 break out this season and become stars and Fisher struggles, then we will have legitimate complaints. yes

A guy like Geno I don't care about because there was never any realistic option where he was gonna get picked top 10 by any team.

Yet CP pleaded for Fisher and not Joekel. You got your wish.

All I know is Geno and EJ Manuel better be colossal ****ing busts.

I didn't plead for ANY OT.

It's embarrassing right now that we appear not to have gotten the best one.

Ohhhhh reaaaaaaalllllyyyy?

I seem to remember few people wanting either.

You know exactly what I meant.

This is all yet to be played out by next season & all depends on how Albert and Fisher perform this season. Albert has yet to sign an extension so his future is undetermined.


It's going be very discouraging if we take another OT in next years draft with our first pick.