And this is the stupid thing.

Geno has three years of starting game tape. He's played against top level defenses that featured NFL first rounders.

The Texas and OU games alone should be enough, let alone games like LSU or the Orange Bowl the year before.

Like the combine is going to change anything that Geno has done to this point in his career. Like a single post season All-Star game with three days of practice is going to mean anything.

Hell, Cam Newton threw the ugliest, most inaccurate balls I've ever seen in a structured setting at his combine and he went #1 overall and was NFL rookie of the year.

Sure there is, but Geno Smith is so worth it.

Ideal size, superb accuracy, doesn't put the ball into the defenses hands, excellent pocket awareness, near perfect release that is exceptionally fast, good athletic ability, very good arm, etc.

Tell me why Geno isn't worth the first pick and then tell me who you think is worth the #1 overall pick if Geno isn't. Please. Pretty please.

Kiper had RGIII at no. 19 before the combine. Another truefan myth shot down.

http:// http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/35949/rg3-debuts-on-mel-kipers-big-board

That settles it. Geno is worth the #1 pick.

Are you serious?

At this point they were 1 2.

A couple Weeks prior it wasn't such a sure thug
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You are so ****ing stupid that it makes my head hurt. Last year's Orange Bowl was the biggest game of his career.

RG3 wasn't #2 until AFTER THE COMBINE.

As someone already showed, Kiper had him 19th.

McShay had him THIRTY FIRST at this time last year.

Wow, just wow. When did you become a True Fan?

Hopefully we can add this prediction to this thread.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...ight=CoMoChief

So far I haven't read any legit argument as to why we shouldn't draft geno.

Exactly.

Not one ****ing legitimate argument.

You ask these dipshits to provide it and then ask them to suggest who they think is worth the #1 if Geno isn't and they sink back into the slime pits from whence they came.

I wasn't impressed with Geno Saturday, but those stats are impressive. I have seen very little of his play and have been getting excited over him just from reports of people here.

Those stats speak for themselves though.

Baby Lee is right... at this time last year in most fans eyes RGIII was clearly number 2, and some people liked him better than Luck. I don't know why people keep saying differently. I really don't care what McShay had to say.

I don't think Geno is either of those guys. It infuriates people to say this for some reason... but I don't think he was quite as sharp once the Heisman spotlight went on him and teams started preparing for him better. That said, when he's on his accuracy is tremendous. Absolutely tremendous A+ top shelf. For that reason alone he's worth a high draft pick.

How about comparing Geno's career stats to the last two high profile three year starters at the QB position:

Geno Smith (career):

985/1461
67.4% completion
11,658 yards
8.0 ypa
98 TDs
21 Ints
153.7 QB rating

Andrew Luck (career):

713/1064
67.0% completion
9430 yards
8.9 ypa
82 TDs
22 Ints
162.8 rating

Robert Griffin (career)

800/1192
67.1% completion
10,366 yards
8.7 ypa
78 TDs
17 Ints
158.9 rating

My thought not to draft Geno Smith at number one isn't about Geno, but more about the player that we will bypass to draft him...and I don't want us to let him go. Star Lotulelei is above Geno Smith at his position. He's more of a game changer. I can handle rolling the dice with our high 2nd round pick on a QB, because I, like many, think that's the place in this particular draft to draft a QB. Maybe we can even move up and pick in the middle of the first round and pick Geno there. Can you imagine Star AND Geno? I can.

WTF, we're paying attention to what the hairdo says all of the sudden?

Kiper's never right about anything.

I already told you. I don't like the way he processes information. The gap between what he sees and how he reacts is too long and he's prone to shitting the bed under pressure. If someone were to put together a lowlight reel of him you'd clearly see this. I said the same thing about Quinn when he came out of college and everyone had him as a surefire NFL star. The hallmark of a QB isn't their arm, accuracy, leadership, or size. It's how they process and see information under pressure.

There any number of defenders with superior upside. The team does need a QB in the worst way. No argument here, but you have an entire draft to get one and if Andy Reid is head coach he'll definitely find one.

Akili Smith is an example of over-reaching for a position of need and having it blow up in your face. I think Geno would be far better than Akili, but you don't know if he'll be a world-beater or not until he gets in a system and plays. That's why I think Bruce Ariens would be a fantastic fit -- he develops around the QB position and does it with coaching that fits the strengths of the signal-caller.

At this time last year, I would bet people here has seen TEN TIMES the number of games of Robert Griffin than they have of Geno now.

This fanbase knew RG3 MUCH BETTER because he played in the Big 12.

So at the end of the day, the only objective comparison is to look at what guys like Kiper and McShay had to say. On their boards, he was NOT 2. He wasn't even TEN.

As for the "infuriates" comment, nobody gets infuriated when you put up a legit criticism like you just did there. What is infuriating is people repeating misinformation over and over.

Geno, Barkley, Wilson, and Bray will be gone by no. 10. You have to take a QB at no. 1.

Yeah, Andy Reid found so many QBs in Philly. :rolleyes:

Star is not better than Geno at his position.

You could even make a legitimate arguement that Ohio State's John Hankins is a better prospect at the same position as Starlite.

Star is dominant in one on one situations, but he's not an upfield penetrating type of defensive tackle in the mold of Glenn Dorsey or Ndamukong Suh. He'll hold a gap like a mofo though as he absolutely demands a double team. He will get frustrated and nullified by doubles though if there is a talented guard/center opposite him - something that he'll see every single game in the NFL. He's a very solid prospect and will end up being a very good NT in either a 34 or 43, but he's not an end (John Hankins is a bit more explosive than Lotulelei and fits that better though neither one is ideal in length for a five tech).

And, for the record, I've watched nearly every single game Star has played in in his career.

I don't know, I took on quite a bit of rage a few weeks ago suggesting that. He kind of fell off the Heisman train. Still though, I don't even need to see stats... college stats can be wonky anyway. Geno played this year in a conference that didn't play a lick of D against each other.

Either way, his accuracy is tremendous. I don't know why people keep comparing him to Luck, or Rodgers, or anyone. He's his own guy. Luck is a robot built to play QB, just flawless, and RGIII's athleticism is about 14 out of 10. But Geno has accuracy. When he's cooking he puts the ball on the money every time. He doesn't have to learn that. He just needs to be put in a position where he can succeed.

Some valid statements, though I think accuracy is more important than you do. Especially for the Chiefs. Teams stacked defenses because they knew we'd only go deep 1-2 times a game (if at all) because our game plans never asked that from our QBs because none of them could make the deep (defined as 15+ yards) throws. So they would play single-safety sets and 9 guys at the line knowing that even if their LBs had to drop into coverage they wouldn't have to drop far. Bringing someone like Geno in to exploit this kind of defense would make the Chiefs much more dynamic in all phases of the game. You want to protect against Geno's deeper throws and Jamaal Charles is going to eat you alive. Play against the run and I have no doubt that Geno could put the ball where it needs to be over the LBs.

WTF is this notion of an 'objective comparison?'

One side is skeptical of how convinced some are that Geno 'absolutely cannot miss, . . . .but if he does no big deal.'

Those convinced rebut with 'yeah, well people weren't sold on RGIII last year.'

'Yeah we were.'

'Well Kiper wasn't, and you don't count because you saw lots and lots of RGIII'

AGAIN, FTR, I'm not anti-Geno. I'm anti-failure to perform due diligence and cruise into the draft with this 'he's gonna be great, everyone else sucks, and it doesn't matter if he's a total bust because it's the gamble we HAVE TO take' attitude. That's just begging for him to be the next Akili Carr-Leaf.

Anyone watching the capital one bowl?

Murray is having a pretty good game

Then you clamor for Wilson, Barkley, or Bray. The QB is the most important position on the field and has to be the pick at no. 1.

Really?

What is this shitting the bed you speak of? His 71.4% completion percentage this season? The six interceptions against 40 touchdowns?

Because, if you took the time to watch the games from this season alone, you'll see that he goes through his progressions quickly, can look off a safety easily and makes exceptionally good decisions with the ball.

You go right ahead. And, for the record, I'm sure you could do the same and have a lot more opportunities for inclusions in such a video with every single QB that this draft has to offer. In fact, you could do the same with Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. You could do that with every player in the draft at their respective positions.

In fact, it's Geno's decision making process that is one of the things I like about him. He makes good decisions with the ball and doesn't put it into the defenses hands.

It's all a part of the deal. And I think you are absolutely wrong on this about Geno. Try these on for size from this past year, where he's on the road against top 20 teams with very good defenses and tell me if that's a QB shitting down his leg or a QB that is processing information quickly and making good decisions with that information in a very timely maner and making plays with that information:

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Who?

And which QB do you see has that upside once you get out of the first round guys? Seriously.

Another D-Lineman? Geno, Wilson, Bray, and Barkley will be gone by no. 10. You have to pick QB.

None of those three put up the kind of completion percentages that Geno has. Carr came close in his senior year (which he was only able to approach duplicating one year in the pros), but I think the stats show that Smith is better than any of those three.

Why?

Because that's the #1 argument you hear about him on the radio and elsewhere on the net - "he's no Andrew Luck!"

Again, many HERE were completely sold on RG3 this time last year, even though many of the pundits weren't. Why? Because they had seen him play. A LOT.

Many of those same people are saying "Geno Smith isn't RG3" haven't seen Geno play even HALF the number of times they saw RG3.

Don't want me to call it objective comparison, fine. I'll call it ignorance instead.

RG3 played in the same conference last year.

They put up very similar numbers
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Given everyone's near-mythical vision of a #1 overall draft pick player, no one is worth the 1st overall pick.

Since no one is worth the #1 overall pick, and since the good QB prospects will be gone in the 1st round, we should draft Geno.

Sounds like a lot of wasted cap space...I'd agree with picking up Flynn as a back up plan...who knows, maybe it would push Flynn to play even better then he has...who wants to be shown up twice by a rookie quarterback? It would make for great competition

about Star...from scouts.com

Drawing comparisons to Ravens stud defensive tackle Haloti Ngata, Lotulelei has the potential to be the top defensive tackle selected in April and even the top overall pick. As a first-team All-Pac-12 selection in 2011 and 2012, Lotulelei has had a strong season this year even if double and triple teams prevents him from putting up eye-popping stats

This

That video against Texas (which was bringing pressure on a lot of the plays) you'll find a handful of bad throws, for sure, but you'll also see a guy sticking the ball where it needs to be in short, medium, and long routes.

People need to stop comparing him to Luck or RG3 and see that he would be an incredible upgrade over what we've had the past four years. With our running attack, I think he'd have a lot of success very early.

natural ability is there .. NFL ability I question .....

This.

Yeah, we need another defensive linemen. Maybe we can bring back Pioli and Cassel too while we are at it.

Watching the game tape there is zero question, Geno Smith should be our QB in 2013.

Kids and their stupid logic. GTFO CoMo.

Ya Geno Smith is Alex Smith...NOT! haha. Geno has a ****ing terrible defense that always forces Geno to try and carry the team

He's made some pretty shitty throws...but he's made some tight throws too. Either you have talent, or you don't. Mean Geno Smith has talent. The little mistakes he's made can be corrected through proper coaching and experience.

I think this is a fair article.

QB class wide open after Smith's slip-ups in Pinstripe Bowl

By Rob Rang | The Sports Xchange/CBSSports.com
December 29, 2012 8:38 pm ET

A disappointing performance in Saturday's Pinstripe Bowl from West Virginia quarterback Geno Smith will drop his NFL draft stock and trigger a race between a group of rather underwhelming candidates to be the first passer selected in the 2013 NFL draft.

Smith, playing Syracuse for the first time since a humbling upset loss to the Orangemen in October 2011, was sacked for one safety and drew a flag for intentional grounding for another in a 38-14 loss on the snow-covered turf of Yankee Stadium.

Smith's statistics weren't bad (16-for-24 for 187 yards, two TDs/0 INTs), but they were significantly inflated by three big plays to Stedman Bailey that, after closer review, weren't as impressive in reality as they are in print.

Each of the first two completions, good for 32 yards (and a touchdown) and 59 yards, respectively, came off of quick screens in which Smith soft-tossed the ball just a few yards. Smith threw what looked like a well-placed deep ball down the left sideline to Bailey for a 29-yard touchdown in the third quarter, but the throw was made easier when the Syracuse defender covering Bailey lost his footing, leaving the WVU pass catcher alone for the uncontested reception. Other than those three plays, Smith completed 13 passes for a total of 67 yards in the final game that he'll play for West Virginia.

Statistics, of course, can be bent to prove just about anything in football, but the reality is Smith made troubling mental and physical errors against Syracuse. He failed to recognize the blitz off the right side that led to his taking the sack for the first safety. Worse, he was not consistently accurate, short-hopping intermediate routes down the middle and the sideline and sailing a deep ball far out of bounds against single coverage.

To be fair to Smith (and Syracuse quarterback Ryan Nassib), the conditions weren't favorable. It was snowing throughout the game, and the moisture made for poor footing and a slick ball. Both teams dropped several well-thrown passes, and there were botched center-quarterback exchanges from both sides, as well.

It wasn't such terrible conditions, however, that the talent evaluators in attendance won't grade the quarterbacks harshly, especially Smith, who has previously struggled in poor weather.

For the West Virginia passer, Saturday was the complete opposite of the eye-popping performance of nearly a year ago that sparked his rise to the top of the quarterback charts.

Boasting better size, arm strength, athleticism and statistics than preseason darling Matt Barkley, the 6-3, 215 pound Smith shot up past the USC Trojans' star to the top of NFLDraftScout.com's board. While Barkley and Arkansas' Tyler Wilson were adjusting to inexperienced supporting casts, Smith started off the regular season just the way he'd begun 2012, by shredding defenses. Over a six-game stretch extending from last year's 70-33 demolishing of Clemson in the Orange Bowl to a rousing victory over Texas on Oct. 6, Smith was magnificent, tossing 31 touchdowns and zero interceptions and leading WVU to an undefeated record.

Texas Tech provided the blueprint for shutting down the mighty West Virginia offense a week later, however, by pressuring Smith early and limiting the run-after-catch ability of Bailey and his teammate Tavon Austin. The Mountaineers would lose their next four games and, as it turns out, six of their final eight.

The perception -- whether deserved or not -- will be that Smith failed to lead the Mountaineers to victories in six of their last games.

The 2013 class of quarterbacks is lacking in the "sure things" of recent years. The tight rankings could force Smith to play in the Senior Bowl or another prominent all-star game to stabilize his stock.

If he were to do so -- and wound up going No. 1 overall as Dane Brugler and I are currently projecting -- it would be the first time a quarterback who played in a senior all-star game was the first passer selected in his respective draft class since 2003. That year, talent evaluators got to watch then-USC star Carson Palmer erase any doubt that he was the top prospect with a spectacular week in Mobile, Ala., in the Senior Bowl.

Regardless of whether Smith elects to play one last game with the Mountaineers' helmet or wait for the workout sessions from the Combine and/or his Pro Day, nervous NFL decision-makers are eager to see a quarterback -- any quarterback -- pull away in the race to April.

This sums up Como's CP existence.

I like Geno as much as the next guy. I love his physical tools at the position and I hope to God we draft him. But lets be real here...his stock is gonna have to rise quite a bit between now and April for there to even be a chance of us drafting him at #1.

I really don't think so.

So as we sit right now, you feel like there's a good chance we'll be drafting Geno in April? I hope you're right if so.

I'll ignore the analysis and focus on this dumb**** statement:

NOBODY thought the 2011 QBs were sure things. Nobody thought Bradford, Stafford, or Ryan were sure things. We haven't seen a "sure thing" QB in a draft since Eli Manning.

That's if you discount Luck and RGIII, which tards like Rob Rang are not doing.

God, do I have to ****ing go into the archive and bump all the posts from 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2011 where people are bitching and moaning that those particular QB classes suck ass, and that the Chiefs are in a bad position to draft guys as high as they might be forced to in the first round?

IT'S HAPPENED EVERY ****ING GODDAMNED YEAR.

This year is no ****ing different. Yet it's somehow special to these people for some ****ed up reason.

To me, there is no question who the clear cut best QB in the class is and that is the ONLY real option at the #1 pick for our team.

Quit being right all the time SNR.

I don't disagree with your post but IMO the thing to take from this is that Geno needs to do what it takes to distance himself from the rest of the QBs. He should win the pre draft process and slam dunk the 1st pick of the draft. He has the chance to do so he should take it.

He already has if you go compare films to bray, Wilson, Glennon, and Barkley.

I suppose you need to know what to look for though instead of the scoreboard.
Even at that, the other qbs weren't on good teams either I suppose.

Like three years of actual high level game performance isn't enough?

Yeah I suppose you're right.

There is no doubt that his game tape is the most important part of his resume. Did someone say it wasn't?

QB or Busters don't know whether to scratch their watch or wind their butt.

Geno is an absolute lock, unless he isn't which doesn't matter.

People only liked RGIII because they knew everything about him down to the contents of his daily leavings, and the only reason they aren't as high on Geno is because they haven't watched the voluminous game tapes of stellar play available to everyone with an internet connection [which prove beyond all doubt that he is a lock, unless he isn't which doesn't matter].

No QB in this class is worth the first pick in the draft, but whatever QB separates himself and is worth a top 10 pick should be number 1 on our big board.

I don't know or even want to address the first part of your statement, because the second is all that matters and I agree with it. Although if we have anybody over Geno or maybe Wilson I would question what we are looking at.

I don't know if he will pan out or not. I will say this was a bad time to be bad. This draft offers little value to the top five or six picks. With the Raiders sitting at 3 I would like to see them trade down for picks if possible. The value vs price is just not there IMO~

The value of the pick correlates with the value of the players available at that pick to the other team trading for it. Not the number of the pick. So all I'm saying is, if you want to trade down, prepare by lubing up the asshole good and proper.

There is one thing I know.

If CoMo doesn't believe that Geno Smith is worthy of the #1 overall selection, then someone should notify the Hall of Fame to start preparing Smith's bust for his induction in 20 years or so.

Most mock drafts at this time last year had Kalil going #2 overall. Luck and RGIII were always the top 2 rated QB's.

http://www.packersandfootball.com/20...-draft-30.html
http://voices.yahoo.com/updated-2012...-10135823.html
http://nflmocks.com/2011/12/31/2012-...veland-browns/
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...aft/index.html Has RGIII #2
http://nflmocks.com/2012/01/13/2012-...t-griffin-iii/
http://arrowheadaddict.com/2012/01/2...for-a-lineman/
http://www.lostlettermen.com/2012-nfl-mock-draft-2-0/

7 Mocks, early January, none putting RGIII below 4th overall, all having St. Louis staying pat at #2 and with Bradford already on the roster.

I stand corrected. ;)

And were I reviewing those mocks back then, I'd say the idea of MN letting RGIII past them at #3 was insane.

Geno Smith put up big numbers in a bad conference vs several bad defenses. A lot of QB's put up huge stats in the Big XII, that's nothing new. And Geno wasn't even consistent in doing so vs some less than impressive D's certain weeks.

Yeah, you're obviously a lawyer.

You guys need to stop thinking about the fact that we have the overall #1 pick. Our overall #1 need is QB, so thats what we need to draft.

I dont give a shit if he's rated the 17th best player on the board. We take him #1.

I can't wait to call out all the people that hated Geno this year, and are buying his jersey next year.

Exactly how BUSTS happen. :shake:
Put me # 1 on yout "Call Out" list.

Bad things usually happen with teams that way overdraft QB's in round 1 to fit a need.

OK, so who are you taking then?

I know you guys don't want to hear this but I would trade down if it guarantees we can still get one of the Top 3 to 4 QBs. There just aren't any this year that are worthy of the #1 pick and you are splitting hairs between the top QB's so it really doesn't make much of a difference. With that said, there probably isn't going to be a suitor to get a good deal to trade down just due to the top players available and the other needs of teams towards the top.

I wouldn't kid mysef into anyother QB by Geno Smith #1 overall. NO amount of desperation would push Glennon that high. Or anyother QB in this draft. I'd strongly consider Barkley (or whomever left) in round 2 and BPA #1.

If there aren't any QBs in this draft worth the #1 overall pick, who is going to want to trade up?

Like you said, trading down sounds great until you realize that if we, with a 2-14 record and no QB, don't want the #1 pick, nobody else wants it either.

Bad things? You literally can't get any worse as a franchise than KC is right now. More bad things don't mean shit; the franchise is already at rock bottom.

So who is BPA at #1?

So basically you want to go with the BEST non-impact position player with your #1, and take the leftovers on the most important position in sports?

:banghead:

Geno Smith isn't even remotely close to the pysical specimen Newton is. Newton is faster, stronger, taller with a much better arm than Geno. To have to rely on combines and campus structured is an awful way to make such an important pick. I doubt Geno even throws at the combine.

Well said