O'Donnell, 1995.

And the Steelers promptly let him go.

Herm

O'Donnell

Every team needs a QB today.

The Chiefs are on those teams that doesn't and hasn't for 40 years.

Defense, defense, defense.

Offensive head coaches want to tinker with the offense or even run it altogether. There's just too much complexity in NFL schemes these days for me to think that someone that is running his own offense is also as effective as a head coach.

The guys that pull it off like Payton have a quarterback that is so versed in the offense that he becomes a de facto OC.

A guy like Chip Kelly is going to want his paws all over that offense and is going to be a mad tinkerer. I just don't like it.

I want my coach to instill toughness, discipline and attitude in his players. Those are traits more commonly found in defensive coaches/players. The swagger from a football team generally builds through its defense.

You absolutely need a good offense to win these days, but I think you get that from a qualified, creative OC working under an organized, focused HC.

I think Gus Bradley is still my guy.

Oh, I don't agree with that.

I just think he's clueless.

Herm's not an NFL coach

I prefer Ray Horton to Bradley because I think you're seeing a shitload of Pete in Seattle.

Let's not forget, the guy is a Super Bowl winning DC with the 49ers and his teams have always been strong defensively, whether in the NFL or at USC.

I do that's why they hired Duhball. Guys like Romeo want to have a ball control offense. **** that.

McCoy as HC please.

I'll take B.

It takes a lot of energy to build a franchise and mold it in your image. An older coach doesn't want to deal with the BS anymore.

That's true, but Bradley's learning that Leo defense under the feet of the master.

I like the Leo a lot. I think it's strength is its versatility and that's what has made it so effective in this climate. It's also nice in that it can incorporate players that fit well in either a 3-4 or 4-3 scheme so you can get some very nice draft/FA values if guys fall through the cracks.

I think Bradley gets a fair amount of credit for the adjustments made against NE a couple of weeks ago where they just confounded the hell out of Brady.

But hey - I like Horton, too. I've mentioned him in the top 3/4 of my list of candidates as well. In the end, I like that Leo defense and I like Bradley's linebackers background over Horton's DB background because I think the LBs tend to be the heart of the defense. Training that spirit into your LBs tells me you can get it into your entire squad.

I really like Brian Billick. Since we missed out on Jeff Fisher, he's my new fave. Probably won't give up his day job, but dude is super smart.

Mike McCoy with Ron Rivera as the DC.

Daboll was hired because of Pioli, not Crennel.

McCoy hasn't shown me anything, other than the ability to allow Peyton run his own offense.

An offensive mastermind with a minor in defensive GOD.

Improved Orton's numbers had a top 10 passing game with Orton, Adjusted the offense to Tim Tebows style which got them in the playoffs. Guy ha proven not only can he work with QB's he can also adjust offenses. Would be a wonderful coach for a young QB.


Also played in the NFL.

I guess for me, it would come down to the interviews. I'm a Pete fan. I loved him at USC and since the Chiefs are sucking, I'm following the 'Hawks this year more closely than before. I love his energy, enthusiasm and love of the game. It's hard to believe the guy is 60!

There's no way Pete isn't going to endorse one his own for a head coaching gig, so for Bradley to get the gig, he'd need to come in completely prepared with a plan in hand.

Unlike Horton, who's done it without Dick LeBeau over his shoulder, Bradley has a little more to "prove", for lack of a better word.

I agree on Pete. Very impressed with his second go-around in the NFL.

Whiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiich...heh...is why I'm not so completely down on the idea of BC.

That's fine and all but is he a head coach?

Head coaches aren't responsible for player development and offensive or defensive game planning. They're responsible for the entire team - offense, defense and special teams, and for making sure that all facets, including player preparation, are ready each Sunday.

As I've said so often this offseason, a great coordinator doesn't always make a great head coach. If you at the history of the league or even the past ten years, you'll see tons of examples, from Norv to Rex Ryan to Rivera in Carolina to Mike Martz to our own Romeo Crennel.

Just seeing a competent coach on the sidelines would be nice.

Pete had a decent track record in the NFL back in the 90's, which for some reason is overlooked. He's clearly learned from his mistakes and from his experience at USC and is building a championship team in Seattle. They look pretty fierce at times, even with a rookie third round QB.

Who is BC? Brainfart.

I don't dislike Billick but he was never able to recreate his Minnesota offense in Baltimore. He certainly tried but it was never even close.

I'm not so sure he could do it in KC, either, especially considering the lack of a QB and what will likely be a severely depleted wide receiving and tight end corp come 2013.

I'm not sure i'd have to interview him. He did get some looks last off season though.

I miss Haley. I'd take him over a lot of the older guys. If Haley did one thing, he had the team ready to play every week. He's young, has good instincts that will become even better with time, and is fun as hell to watch when he's mad. I doubt he comes back, though.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hSNpMkOQns...er0129_330.jpg


LMAO

Wade Phillips.

Can run a great defense. And who knows how good the Cowboys would have been if Pioli Sr. aka Jerry Jones wasn't micromanaging everything.

Yeah, let's get the guy who took 15 years to win a superbowl with his first team. A guy with a track record that great would be a stellar pick.

Well, seeing how you and your ilk have been SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO right about shit since 2009, why don't we put it on the table for shits and giggles anyway?

Yeah.

Who would want a guy that took over a franchise that went to the playoffs once in the previous 7 years and had them in the Super Bowl 4 years later? Who would want a guy that averaged 10 wins/season over a 15 year career, won 2 Hunt Trophies and put the system/personnel in place for his team to win a 3rd (and 2nd SB title) the year after he retired.

P.S. Only 1 guy wins a SB every year. If the Chiefs won a SB every 15 seasons, we'd be well ahead of the curve.

But by all means, keep on being stupid.

I guarantee that the coach we hire will not have as successful a career as Bill Cowher had in Pittsburgh and he'll take over a team that has more going for it than Cowher had when he took over an aging, declining, awful team in Pittsburgh.

Yeah, that's ALL Wade Phillips needs is a FOURTH NFL head coaching gig.

LMAO Pwned.

I thought the Chiefs made a mistake the day they fired him.. He will be a HC in the NFL again.

Yup, Phillips is as demonstrative as they come.

You don't hire the next hot coordinator because you like the schemes he runs. You hire him because you think he can organize and inspire. Phillips is just the pitch perfect example of the guy that can scheme a defense with the best of them.

And can't be a HC for shit.

Norv Turner springs to mind on the offensive side of the ball.

It's much much harder than people think to find a good HC. That's why guys like King are just so foolish to me. Cowher is unquestionably a good head coach and has proven it several times over. Is he going to revolutionize the way the QB position is played? Nope - and that's not his job.

You hire a leader and organizer as your HC, then you go get a guy that can scheme the shit out of things as your OC.

The two skill sets aren't terribly related.

I don't know a specific guy but I would really like someone in the Marty mold.

A guy who can win the regular season but not the playoffs?

A guy who coaches not to lose?

Damn dude laughs at Bill Cowher then suggest Wade Phillips?

This just goes back to the point I made earlier where I said most people don't understand the role of an NFL head coach.

You don't hire a guy because he's a great schemer. You hire him because he's detailed, has a comprehensive plan, etc. and so on.

That's why a guy like Mike McCarthy is a head coach. It's not because of his success as an OC, it's because of his work habits, knowledge of the game and people, etc. and so on.

It's all the very same reason why Brian Schottenheimer will be an NFL head coach and quite possibly, in 2013.

I didn't even realize it was the same guy.

Are you ****ing kidding me? 9 seasons as a head coach over 20 years w/ a 1-5 playoff record and that's the guy he's calling for while shitting on Cowher.

And why? Because he's actually won something, so clearly he can't do it anymore. Hell, Cowher's even 10 years younger than Phillips.

King's opinion re: head coaches is now officially irrelevant. What a moron.

I've kind of been thinking about Mike Nolan. He did well in Denver and is doing it now in Atlanta with not alot of talent. I think he would have learned something in San Francisco. He reminds me of Hank Stram when he wears the suit.

http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos.../13/nolanx.jpg

For all the grief Cowher gets for being a playoff 'choker' does anyone realize that he didn't go 1 and done again in his career after his first 2 years in the league? Hell, the guy has a 12-9 playoff record (.571).

Cowher isn't Marty (5-13). He's a consistent winner in this league that also wins consistently in the playoffs as well.

I don't see how anyone can be so dead set against a 55 yr old HC with the track record this guy has and the energy he's shown throughout his coaching career. He can absolutely excel in this job.

I don't think Cowher would come here any way. I think we would be third on his list.

1. Cleveland - He played there and is close to the owner.

2. Carolina - His daughters live there and his wife is dead.

3. Kansas City - he said we have a ton of talent and we would make the playoffs when we were 1-4.

I guess it just depends what he wants the most? However, i bet that will be with CBS.

Really dont care if he's offensive or defensive minded, as long as he has the right coordinator on the other side.

I am starting to lend credence to this stat that says Super Bowl winners never go on to do it again with a second team, theres a lot of precedent there.

If he's not atleast a semi-longtime NFL coordinator though, i dont want him, while i totally get the desire and need for "fresh & innovative"... i have no interest in a true college rookie like a Schiano etc. I'm fresh out of patience for learning curves.

Attention to detail, discipline, not too intimidated to go out & get the very best to work beneath him and let them do their job, to name just a few things.

And he proved in San Francisco, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he has absolutely NO business as an NFL head coach.

JFC. Try to keep up, Dumbass.

Yeah, that's what people say when alot of guys get their second chance.

DJ is KILLING IT in this thread.

So you wouldn't hire Sean Payton or Mike McCarthy?

Super Bowls are freakin' hard to win. That's why guys don't just leave and win them elsewhere. There have been 13 coaches to win the SB multiple times in the entire modern era. Those 13 head coaches all won their SBs within an extremely tight period of time. Why? Because it takes a special blend of players, oftentimes one or two players in particular to win a SB. He doesn't have that guy elsewhere.

Look at this list - the Coach, followed by the number of SBs won and years from first to last:

Noll -- 4 in 6 yrs
Belichick -- 3 in 4
Gibbs -- 3 in 10 (nearest to an outlier)
Walsh -- 3 in 8
Coughlin -- 2 in 5
Flores -- 2 in 4
Jimmy Johnson -- 2 in 2
Landry -- 2 in 7 (despite coaching forever)
Lombardi -- 2 in 2 (though there was the pre-merger years)
Parcells -- 2 in 5
Seifert -- 2 in 6
Shanny -- 2 in 2
Shula -- 2 in 2

That's right - even Don Shula only had a 2 year burst in the middle of his career where he actually won a SB.

Guys don't win multiple SBs, not because they don't remember how, but because it's really goddamn hard to do. And the guys that have managed it managed it because they had quick bursts of great talent. They don't leave those bursts of great talent so sometimes they manage to win another championship with it.

There's absolutely no causal connection between winning a SB with one team and not being able to win it with another. At it's very best, it's a stupid superstition.

If you hire Bill Cowher and give him commensurate talent, he's going to be capable of winning a SB. This team, with these parts and an above average QB - has commensurate talent. He can win here and win huge.

Of all the exceedingly stupid arguments I've heard w/r/t our next head coach, this is unquestionably the dumbest.

Yeah, Wade went 9 years without winning shit.

Cowher went 14.

If the Steelers weren't the most loyal team in the NFL, he wouldn't have lasted as long as he did.

Wade got fired after going 16-16 with the Falcons, 29-19 with the Bills, and 34-22 with the Cowboys. You'd have to be stupid to say he's a bad coach.

Funny how Tomlin did what Cowher took 15 years to do in 4 seasons.

Thats a very fair question & my initial reaction is to do a 180 and say HELL YES i would, they both seem like extremely sharp minds & have won at the highest level, its always hard not to like SUCCESS.

But, its also fair to point out that they have had 2 of the top 5 QB's in the league, the one position that can mask 1000 flawed plans... almost every year we see HC's who are depantsed when they suddenly find themselves without a stud at that position.

But in the end, i guess i'd have to agree with you, either one would almost certainly be better than anything we've had... on those two counts atleast, you win, feel better?

Wade has gone 20 years without ever winning shit. Bill Cowher won 10 games a season and multiple conference championships.

And Tomlin did what Cowher did with Cowher's guys.

You know what - I'm not even going to bother.

Just go ahead and keep repeating this bit of idiocy to anyone that listen - it does more damage than any rebuttal I can put together:

"Wade Phillips is a better NFL head coach than Bill Cowher"

I'm sure you'll get plenty of people that are blown away by your sagacity.

Damn. DJ just burning King's ****ing house down today.

Not going to read this entire thread, but I'm going to go ahead and say "one that's good" and "one that wins games". Original thought, I'm sure.

I don't want a HC that comes in and says "we are going to be a competetive football team." I want a HC that comes in and says "We're going to win the Super Bowl!"

Matt Hasselbeck once said "We want the ball, and we're going to score" right before he threw a pick 6.

Rex Ryan says he's going to win a SB every damn year.

I want a HC that knows he's so good that he doesn't feel the need to advertise it.

I don't care what he says....unless it's "I don't know why we're playing so poorly". I !@#$ing well know that I don't want him saying that.

Jesus our coach sucks.

I don't want a loud mouth HC like Ryan and I'm not sure how the guy needs to express it so perhaps it's more of an attitude. He needs to make our players think it's probable more then just possible.

I wouldn't mind Haley w/o the headscratching stupidity...

LMAO

Wade Phillips.

LMAO

Clearly, you weren't old enough to watch his teams in DENVER (not Atlanta) or Buffalo. And he is absolutely the reason why the Cowboys were unable to advance in the playoffs.

JFC, your stupidity has no bounds.

Nolan was given a talented team and the number one overall draft choice. He burned through coordinators for 4 years and couldn't field a winning team.

He's an excellent 3-4 defensive coordinator and that's where his ability ends.

Yes! Finally, somebody on the Gus Bradley bandwagon. Here's another thing I really like about the guy. He was a great quality control coach. That job tells you a lot about his organization skills, how efficient he is with his time, and that he would nail the administrative side of coaching (RAC is a complete failure here).

Keep in mind this is a guy that Monte Kiffin said to Jim Mora: ""J.L., listen to me. I have got a guy here in Tampa that is one of, if not, the finest football coaches I have ever worked with. He's an A-plus. He's a once-in-a-lifetime coach. You need to talk to him." Kiffin then convinced Carroll to hire him. He must have made one hell of an impression on Kiffin.

If you're still not sold on the guy, read this article:
http://seattletimes.com/html/jerrybr..._brewer06.html

This sounds to me like a guy who can motivate the hell out of players.

Mmm.....

Thanks for the article, 'zilla. I hadn't seen that one.

I like the guy more and more every time I look.

Damn, I'm beginning to think DJ has become some kind of clairvoyant, CP-savant...

This is what I've said across multiple threads.

It's early, but I like what Joe Philbin has been able to accomplish for a talent depleted football team. The Dolphins traded away their best offensive and defensive players, drafted a rookie QB and are currently sitting at 3-3 and are a few plays from 5-1.

Regardless of who their GM is in 2013, this team will be poised to make a move because they won't need to tie up their first round pick on a QB and have a pair of second and third round picks.

Philbin wasn't the "hot" coordinator. By all accounts, he didn't even call the plays. But what he was before being hired as a head coach was a pure football coach that was organized, detailed and level headed. His age (51) didn't hurt him at all.

THAT'S the type of guy I want to lead the Chiefs. Not a one-year-wonder like Chud or whomever.

Which essentially means that if Hunt doesn't act early (December 1 at the latest), this guy will be gone.

There will be several teams looking for a GM and head coach in 2013 and if he doesn't act fast, he'll be left holding the bag (again).

LMAO

I would love to see Bradley in KC.

I don't mean to bust Billay's balls but I didn't care for the Chud nomination and this year, Carolina has fallen off the cliff.

The good news w/ Bradley is that he isn't so vested that he can demand control over personnel. So if Hunt doesn't have the stones to can Pioli, we could still bring him in.

The bad news is that Bradley has probably never even met Bill Belichick...so he's out if Pioli's doing the hiring.

Yup - we're hiring Pepper Johnson.

!@#$

ROFL I thought "Chud" was some made-up bullshit.

I have faith.

Pioli will be shitcanned.

This team is GETTING Geno.

And we're getting a damned good HC for him as well.

Rob Chudzinski, OC of the Carolina Panthers.

Well, the good news is that he'll certainly be available.

:evil:

We're actually agreeing on some things. Too often people get excited about the "hot" coordinator. In many cases, first thing I ask myself is... if this guy has been successful for so long, then why doesn't the guy ever get a head coaching job? Exactly what I said when the Panthers made the idiotic Ron Rivera hire.

I see where you are coming from and I like the idea of getting a guy who has been in the league a while with experience but, Philbin fell into a pretty good situation. His OC was his rookie QB's coach in college and I think that's a pretty big deal.

What about Dom Capers? Try and get him to come and be the HC and bring in Kevin Green as the DC. Are you completely opposed to giving former HCs another shot?

Dom Capers? Yeah, like Wade Phillips, he needs another chance.

:facepalm:

Capers is a decent DC but a horrible head coach.

And no, Philbin didn't "fall into" his situation. He and Mike Sherman worked together in Green Bay, runs the West Coast offense and was a no-brainer selection. Their brain trust decided that Tannehill was their guy and so far, he's playing very well and improving each week.

That isn't "luck": That's a detailed plan of success. Something the Chiefs haven't had since, well, the 1960's.

Conjecture isn't evidence. It's just conjecture.

No, he DID win with Kordell Stewart. Not a SB, but if that's all that qualifies as 'winning' then there's only one winning team every year. Not a good way to track progress if you think 2nd place is just as far away as 30th place.

He went to the AFC championship game with a terrible QB. First season with a good QB he won the SB. That's how it happened.

If that didn't teach him the value of a QB, then he's just ****in' stupid.

It's not like he's my first choice, but it crack me up how people act as though he's an unaccomplished loser while last season the same crowd was ready to bust a nut at the prospect of getting a poor man's version of Cowher in Jeff Fisher.

I'm pretty sure the same people opposed to Fisher were the same ones opposed to Cowher.

Leave it to DJ's Left Nut to steal my ****ing guy.

I unfortunately don't have any posts touting my belief in Gus Bradley as a great NFL head coach, but I am pretty familiar with him. I wanted him in 2009 to be honest.

If not Bradley, I'd love to see an equally inspiring, organized coach like Chip Kelly. Although apparently that dude is set on never walking away from the college game ever. He's been turning down NFL offers the past two offseasons.

So tomlin did what he did with Cowhers guys huh? Those same guys had a .500 record with cowher the year before Tomlin came.
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Good info. I didn't realize they had worked together. It is a detailed plan for success and it will be interesting to see where it goes.

It's funny that people just give Cowher a pass for not winning a superbowl until his 15th year in the league.

Any decent coach SHOULD be able to win 1 superbowl if he's been with the same team for 15 years.

Add that to the fact that he was the GM also and made personnel decisions, and that makes it even harder to give him a pass.

The only thing I like about Cowher is the toughness he would bring to the team. That's about it.