I got burned last year when I said Jones would probably fall to the third round.

Haha

I don't pretend to think I know who the most prototypical NFL QB is coming out in next year's draft. I don't get paid millions of dollars to make those decisions. I just wish our front office would take a chance on someone, and hopefully that someone (1st or 2nd round pick please) ended up paying off and made us a contender every year. There's no use or arguing who is or isn't that guy, cause there's no guarantee we're getting one of those two anyway. Still doesn't mean there won't be more than 2 successful QBs that come out of next year's draft class. Just try, and hopefully get it right.

We need to draft a QB in the first round this year and we will have to roll the dice that whomever we pick up is good. There are no sure fire QBs this year like Luck nor a QB who is a tiny step behind him in RGIII. Every QB coming out this year will have question marks. This team needs to just go for it instead of talking themselves out of any of them because of their "weaknesses".

Mmm...QFT

....um no

Damn.

One of my new greatest regrets in life is that I didn't make the Schaub comparison. Schaub's a very good comp.

You can win with that kind of QB for sure. But I think in Bray you may have the next Stafford, in Smith the next Steve Young and in Murray is see some Eli Manning.

There are some guys with higher ceilings in this draft but I agree that the Chiefs can absolutely be a winner with Barkley and a few improvements in the defense.

Looks like Landry Jones territory.

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Well, Walter still has us taking Geno Smith, but now we getting him at No. 10. He looks like he crushed the Saints draft slot and it's not like they need a QB.

Beautiful.

Walter also had us taking RGIII at this point last season, IIRC.

We saw how that worked out.

There will be plenty of scouts that like this kid enough to push him into the top 5, IMO. There's no way we get him at 10.

And I've got no issue with us trading a bunch of picks to get him.

No way Geno falls to 10, even if the guys in front of us don't need a QB and wouldn't draft him, you know someone else would trade up to take the 2nd overall QB in the draft this year.

If the Saints pick that high, they will take a QB. Brees is going to be 34 in a few months. This would be just like the Packers taking Rodgers.

If we have to "settle" for Bray, I won't be too sad.

Look at the teams who will likely be picking in the top 10

Colts
Rams
Raiders
Dolphins
Browns


All those teams have QB's. Chiefs are in a good position can go 9-7 and still get a franchise guy.

Raiders wouldn't pass one up.

It's the Raiders

We need Arizona to win a few more games. They seemed to be competition for a top QB.

I think we saw what the trend is last season - with the new contracts structures, it's possible for the highly situated teams to trade down.

The #1 overall pick is going to be a quarterback, period. 2 of the top 3 picks are almost certainly going to be a quarterback. Teams are going to trade up to get these top guys, regardless of their initial position in the draft.

Here is our 2nd round pick.

And our 3rd rounder.

Palmer has 2 years left on his contract but it's 13 million and 15 million. That team has some holes if they are picking top 10 it would be a great position to trade down and add picks.

I would trade the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd for a franchise QB. You can sign a 3-4 d-end for cheap.

You also have to consider that some teams with a young QB and a high pick might give up their guy. Cleveland might give up on Weedon. Jacksonville might give up on Gabbart. Tampa could give up on Freeman. The way its set up now, if you have a team that's failing and an uncertain QB, there shouldn't be any reason to pass up on one. We also have to consider that not all the QBs mentioned will come out. How would last year's draft look with Barkely and Jones in the mix?

Yep, and the Redskins have set the market price.

Not many teams will pay that kind of price.

Two future firsts and a second isn't the ridiculous sum that many made it out to be for a player whom an organization believes is a franchise QB.

raiders and jets could be willing to move up if they want...neither seems afraid to trade picks

Here are the teams that he has taking QBs in the first 3 rounds.

Browns - Barkley
Jaguars - Wilson
Chiefs - Smith
Bills - Bray
Cardinals - Manuel
Giants - Glennon

So we need to cheer like hell for gabbert and weeden

And Kolb.

Yes and kolb


The way the nfl has been so far 6-10 might be enough

And Fitzpatrick

So lets look at this thing.

What teams are for sure out of the qb comp next year?

Pats-Brady
Broncos-Manning
Packers-Rodgers
Saints-Brees
Texans-Schaub
Vikings-Ponder
Falcons-Ryan
Panthers-Cam
Giants- Eli
Cowboys- Romo
Colts-Luck
Skins-RGIII
Titans-Locker
Eagles-Vick
Seahawks-Wilson
9ers-Smith
So you have teams in question

Jags-Will they move on from Gabbert?
Cardinals-Kolb and Skelton have a chance at staying?
Raiders-Palmer staying?
Bills- Gave Fitz a big contract, will they move on this fast?
Chiefs-know they need to move on.

Who am I missing?

I'm not convinced that Harbaugh wouldn't aggressively try to upgrade on A. Smith if he had a chance.

It's not like they desperately need the draft picks to fill holes in SF, why not dump an entire draft to go after Barkley or Geno? He doesn't seem enamored with Alex.

I would list the 49ers and Cowboys as dark horses.

Depends on what they do this year. If Romo has a year like last year and the defense is better, they likely won't be looking. Same with the 9ers.

Browns are a curious case, I don't think they would think twice about grabbing another qb. Phins and Jags I don't think really would at this point, as they don't really have anything around their QB's.

Looked around at some draft sites, so far they aren't as high on Geno.

He's in the same situation as RG3 was last year. No one was talking about RG3 at this point last season either. He was projected as a 3rd round pick. If Geno can continue putting up numbers against quality opponents then you'll see him creep up draft boards because the once unanimous top tier QBs aren't exactly lighting shit up. So far Geno has played... nobody.

I think a QB will end up being the top pick, but it's getting to a point where most teams already have their QB or have drafted one in the first round recently and aren't yet ready to move on.

Same thing with a lot of guys in the past RGIII, Ponder, Dalton etc.

I think Smith will be a good QB but man to compare him to RGIII who is a once in a generation type athlete is tough. It kind of reminds me of the Fairley/Suh comparisons. Different positions of course.

I don't think Smith is the overall athlete RGIII is. I do think, as far as QB skills go, he might be a better pocket passer at this point.

I think if he continues this path, he will probably end up winning the Heisman and go pretty high.

If the Cowboys quit on Tony Romo, they deserve what they get.

That guy is a legit quarterback and somehow everyone in Dallas blames every problem that franchise has on him. He's never had an O-Line, his weapons are generally hurt (and a little overrated in a declining Witten and overhyped Dez Bryant).

This is a guy that made a star out of Laruent Robinson and is making Kevin Ogletree serviceable.

The Chiefs would absolutely be threats to make some noise with Tony Romo at QB. He'd have a field day with Bowe and Baldwin out there, not to mention a good O-Line and game-breaking RB.

You compare Romo's weapons to Cassels and suddenly you realize just how god-awful Matt Cassel is. Cassel has as many tools at his disposal as Romo and Romo's going out there putting up 4K seasons and 95+ QB ratings like they're nothing.

I would absolutely take Tony Romo at this point.

This year, the Chiefs could have a top 15 pick and have a chance to take a quarterback with alot of upside. See how it goes I guess.

Cowboys aren't going to dump Romo they've been talking about a new contract.

So you've got Barkley, Geno, and Wilson as your likely legit guys, with Jones and others as second tier guys.


I think this year we are gonna see what the Chiefs really think of drafting a QB early. If a guy like Wilson is sitting there when you pick, you take him.

I have them tiered as

Geno

Bray
Barkley
Murray

Wilson

Thomas
Manuel
Glennon

Jones
Rest of the chaff...

I agree worth djsnut except he has Barkley too high.

I've got Wilson alot higher than DJ. He does have a bit of a windup, but it seems like it's better this year than last.


The way he's shown to be a leader with all thats happened this year in Fayetville have made me a little higher on him.

I would think that Wilson is comparable and probably higher than most the second tier in terms of physical traits, ceiling, and overall production.

If Thomas ever fixes his mechanics he'll be a beast.

Only problem with Wilson is his concussion problems, but the Hogs oline can't protect him worth a damn.

I like the Murray ranking. Dude is underrated and underexposed because of the offensive system.

Geno Smith

:rockon:

I hope like hell the guy is available when the Chiefs pick. If he is, and Scott passes him up, this place might burn down.

And Wilson too low.

Wilson will be the 1st or 2nd qb to get drafted this year.

Smith, Barkley, or Wilson will probably be available when we pick.

It seems that there won't be a ton of teams looking for one. That being said with the rookie scale you never know. There probably will be a team you wouldn't guess take a 1st round QB, perhaps one that should that won't(hopefully not KC).

I think at the very least, KC will be in a position where they can move up and get one of the top 3. If Barkley comes out rated the highest, it might even help us more.

We aren't moving up to draft a QB, with Pioli as the GM. So we better hope like hell one falls into our lap.

Even if there aren't a ton of teams that may be looking, QBs will be going off the board. There's a handful of teams that need a QB and there are a handful of teams that don't necessarily need a QB but probably wouldn't hesitate to pick one if one just happened to land in their lap or an opportunity presented itself where they could easily trade up to get one.

I would love to be able to say I believe he will but I can't. Even if we need one to fall I don't think we need to be 2-14 for it to happen.

Watch out for teams with older yet still decent QBs. They can draft one of the top QBs and have him sit for a couple of years learning from the veteran. When that vet retires or is released then the young one steps in without the normal growing pains associated with rookie QBs.

There are probably about 4 or 5 teams this year that will be looking for a QB.

That says alot because RGIII is a HIGHLY underrated pocket passer.

Yeah, but I don't think they will be looking to draft one that high for that situation. It would be more of a Mallet situation.

I was saying at this point in time, in their respective careers.

I understand, this just speaks well for Smith.

Smith is a pure pocket guy. He is athletic, but he doesn't seem to venture from the pocket very often. He has solid mechanics from said pocket and has a good quick release.


But, for my perspective, I've never seen a kid at that point have the pocket presence that he does.

Green Bay and Aaron Rodgers say hi.

you lie
I watched orton read a d and look at progressions, he never killed a receiver

He was drafted what, in the mid 20's.

I figure we will be in the mid to early teens, or even earlier. Most teams that are set at QB likely have a few other needs maybe to push them over the edge.

Honestly, I think the draft order of QBs will be Smith, Barkley, Wilson.

Better than Luck?

If he's not better, he's pretty close.

What;s he missing then? I mean Luck was considered the best QB since Peyton, if not Elway and the media slobbed his knob all season. Where is that kind of publicity for Geno? He is getting some love, but nowhere near what Luck got. What did Luck have that Geno lacks?

Lucks got the pedigree. He was pretty much groomed for what was to come.


Geno has developed over his time in college. He does have some flaws, but for the most part they seem to be fixable.

IMO, Luck is/was better pre-snap. Had a better knowledge of offensive and defensive concepts. Is more intelligent IMO, based on his education at Stanford. Additionally, being brought up in a pro-style, West Coast offensive system helped him in his development and value by pro teams.

Geno's knocks will be from his o-system, and that he won't have two full years of being hyped as the best prospect.