I don't know man. It looked like they stopped them pretty well. Even Rodgers, who is a speed freak like Charles and Spiller. The best run I saw all day was the Matt Ryan TD run.

The guys on Sirius were saying we're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. We'd be dominate if we ran a 4-3 they said.

I want Powe to be good. He was my favorite pick last year. He hardly played against the ones in the preseason. I saw him a little yesterday. I don't think we can really say we know the whole story there. However, I somewhat agree. I think rotating Poe across the WHOLE d-line would be pretty special. To this point, Poe has been much better than Powe in my opinion. We need Powe to be more destructive if he is going to be the starting NT. He's just not as destructive as Poe yet. Powe had a sack in the preseason but Poe has collapsed the pocket multiple times. He has made plays in every game.

I'm fine with Poe playing both.


The main thing i want is for the Oline to not be so comfortable with our DLine. The 2-gap system is very passive for the DLine. They intentionally engage the Oline and that takes a lot of pressure off the offensive lineman.

Now if every so often the Dline would just attack then the offensive lineman couldn't be so comfortable with their techniques etc.

1 down the Dline is responsible for 2-gap and have to maintain position

next down the Dline attacks and the linebackers have to be responsible for 1 of the gaps.

This would screw with the Olines blocking assignments and we would create more broken play and have guys running open in the backfield.

JMO

Hindsight is 20/20. This is a horrible post. Look at the next ten picks after ours. Everyone passed on the guys you list there. The earliest any of those guys went was #13.

Which is why it'll never happen.

Plus, Pioli's set in his ways. If he's here next year, you can damn sure bet they'll be running the same schemes on both sides of the ball.

Poe could be a better DE than NT and Pioli would refuse to move him because it would be admitting a mistake.

Green Bay found one, similar to when they found Rodgers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clay_Matthews_III

And IIRC....didn't they trade back into the 1st round to get him?

Urine idiot.

I'd suggest you stop posting and have a brain scan asap.

The only way that Dallas 1 gap system would work is if we moved Jackson to NT and we aren't going to do that. He has rotated in there a little bit in the past and it didn't work. Essentially, we have ran this formation as a sub package in previous years with little success. The only 1 gap we currently run is with Poe at NT. Romeo has talked about it before.

Maybe we would have done this more if we had signed Franklin but we didn't. It would be stupid to run this defense because we don't have the personnel. Also, Bailey hasn't done shit lately and you are crazy if you think he could take a JJ Watt type of role.

The problem isn't the defense. It's the injuries imo.

Pioli has no say on how Romeo uses Poe.... Why do people think he does???

:banghead: This concept is to big for some of you to understand.

because they are paranoid and hate Pioli

They think that Pioli forced Haley to suck, bugged his phone and did all sorts of ridiculous crap.

I think they are planning to replace Dorsey with Poe until they can find another guy to play that RDE position.

I thought Poe played okay yesterday, which is a huge jump compared to other Chiefs DL who started as a rook. And, he did it at the position perhaps most challenging -- NT.

Jackson played okay, got some push. Rapoli played LDE and did okay. Bailey played alright but needs to finish now.

They have some guys from recent draft/FA aquisitions, but there are no veteran players to learn from and to me, that is a huge deficit with this team.

What makes you think this?

The responsibilities of ends and the NT in this defense are nearly identical.

Did you go to ups house and watch a bunch of Memphis games or something?

Dorsey has been pretty good considering he's not really built for the 3-4 DE position. He is a large part of the reason for Hali's success. He helps Hali stay one vs. one. I won't be suprised if they resign Dorsey but he will probably walk.

A vet would be nice.

yep, they took Raji with their first pick. No talent whatsoever in that draft.

Please help me understand.

Green Bay killed that draft, and they have a history of doing so.

Agreed. I don't give a shit if it's our personnel or our scheme. I don't care if they put Jerrell Powe at safety and run him around the end. Just do SOMETHING different. Watching that game last night, I saw 2 QB's scrambling for their lives. Our guys aren't scary w/halloween masks on.

Raji hasn't been that good. He's had one good year and is about equal to Jackson as far as his whole body of work.

Everyone in the top 10 missed on guys like Mathews and that's the point. that is well known to be the worst draft class and biggest crapshoot of all time. We came out OK.

The Pack had Ted Thompson who is one of the best. Which goes back to my original point. It's stupid just to take a QB in the top 10 for the sake of taking one. We need to know what we are taking. Getting a bad QB can set you back further than any position.

No thanks. No more wasted D-Line picks. How about a QB for once?

jesus

We came out ok? I am going on memory here, but didn't the Chiefs have about 10 picks?

Who is left on the team from that draft? Jackson and Succop? Washington?

I would take Raji, Lang and Mathews over that trio, even though I do agree Jackson is improving. (his contract about to come up?)

Raji might be the most overrated player this board has a love affair with IMO.

You are either a mult or the dumbest ****ing person on Chiefsplanet.

He came from the Colation. That should explain it for you.

feel free to compare his first years to jackson for us...thanks

Considering the fact that the Packers can't stop anyone and their defense flat out sucks, I think it's hard to know Raji's value at this point in time.

Put him on a defense surrounded by talent and he could be a top ten defensive lineman.

well the man did leave a candy wrapper on the floor for two weeks just to see if anyone would pick it up... :)

You should stop right there.....Most intelligent thing you've ****ing posted in 1,104 tries...

Some of you guys are ridiculous. That Chiefs defense, without Berry, was 11th overall last year, and 4th in the second half of last season after those dreadful first few games where the whole team was unprepared.

Didn't you see watch Chiefs football when this D was dominant against Big Ben, Aaron Rodgers, and Tom Brady for a half?

What did you guys really expect to do against probably a top 3-5 passing offense, when missing your two most important players against the pass in Hali and Flowers and a guy like Lewis who is underrated and whom is good in coverage, better than Elam?

Between Hali, Houston, and Poe and Bailey when they develop, the Chiefs are fine at passrushing.

Remember, 6th in passing defense last year despite no Erib Berry and playing the likes of Rodgers, Big Ben, Brady and others.

As for Dorsey and Jackson, they are solid players. You just can't hit on every first round pick, no matter how high. Compare the Chiefs first round picks since 2005 with the rest of the league, the Chiefs have had great success with their 1st round picks overall.

Thanks man and good post. Green Bay hasn't been the same since Jenkins left.

Where there's smoke, there's fire.

I have a friend from junior high and high school that's worked for the Chiefs off and on for the past two decades.

Let's just say that his stories aren't much different than what Babb reported.

JFC.

These people should be required to take an intelligence test before posting here.

We are both biased in different ways.

The unbiased opinion (PFF) had Tyson as the better player last year.

No, the point is that Scott Pioli is paid $5 million dollars per year to be smarter than not only the other 31 GM's in the NFL, but smarter than the average poster on a football forum.

And the Chiefs did NOT come out "OK".

JFC, I've just about run out of adjectives for your dumbassery.

understood but i want our defense to be more flexible.

Crennel seems to have 2 ways of calling a defense ... bend/don't break and super bend/don't break.

We gotta have more

People criticize Dorsey and Jackson for not being good enough against the pass but the Chiefs D finished 6th overall in pass D and 26th in rush D last year, how funny is that?

And I'll add that they were 14th overall in YPC allowed.

Who gives a shit. Really?

The Packers were 15-1 last year and won the Super Bowl since Raji was drafted.

Neither the Chiefs nor Jackson have done dick in that time period.

He's 65. Therefore, I don't think you're going to see anything more.

their careers are not equal...to the eye, or the stats

Jackson was a complete worthless pussy his first two years in the league...not bad, worthless...

i'm not even going to bother with stats to refute this nonsense from blackbob:

Yesterday we saw bend over and take it right up the ass.
That's 3 ways.

Devil's 3 way.

good one. :D

Perhaps, but saying that draft class was bad is not accurate. GB has 3 starters from that class that I know of. The Chiefs had more picks, and higher picks.

Blackbob is a drooling, slobbering Mongo.

There were plenty of first rounders that would have had a bigger, more immediate and long term impact than Tyson Jackson.

And if the draft was bad, why didn't Cannoli trade back to pick up, well, anything? Future draft choices? Later 2009 choices? Anything?

Check my sig for some more Blackbob reeruned thoughts.

No, we traded our second for Cassel which was smart because it was a bad class. Green bay had two firsts. The one they took mathews with was one of the few trades in the first round. If I remember right, there were fewer trades in the first round of that draft than any other in history.

The only guys from that class that are still on the packers are Mathews, Raji, and Lang.

The only guys left on the Chiefs roster are O'connell, Jackson, and Succop. However, we traded McGee to Tampa and it was good we got something for him.

You can argue that Pioli failed because he didn't move back into the first but that's about it. Like I said, there weren't many trades and Green Bay got lucky. They gave a second and two thirds to the Pats to get him. It was the year the Pats had all of those 2nd and 3rds and they bombed. A second for Cassel and Vrabel was a good deal imo. Even if Cassel is just a back up it's a good deal. Vrabel really helped Hali learn what he was doing.

No one wanted to trade because the draft class was shit.

Also, not only did Jenkins leaving hurt Raji but, it also hurt Mathews. Both are good players but how good?

They sure got run over last night.

AIDS gunfire

:bang:

Yep,
That is one BB card he hasn't played yet, and it sure would have been nice.


drum roll please, waiting for the excuses that Pioli didn't have time to prepare for that draft.

I hear it, it's coming.

****ing excuse me?

No he didn't.

People just look for stats like tackles and sacks from D-Linemen. That's not their job.

I would have liked to see this game played with Hali, Flowers, and Lewis.

That is all.

This guy HAS to be a mult or troll.

No one is this ****ing stupid.

There were reports that Vrabel was about the most unfriendly guy in the locker room, and was never any kind of team player..

Can you blame him? He went from the Pats to rebuilding Chiefs.
See Randy Moss.

Nobody would be glad getting traded from Champion to shitfest.

Except Cassel, whom got to fulfill his dream of casting an illusion over a GM and a good percentage of the chiefs idiotic fanbase.

He didn't make the move from 4-3 DE to 3-4 OLB just like Hali did? That wasn't part of the reason Pioli wanted him in the trade?

Then why did the players vote him captain twice? He looked like a leader on Sundays to me...

Why is the american public voting for Obama or Romney?

So in your ****ed up head.....that means that Vrabel showed Hali how to make the transition?

Oh...and in response to your neg rep message...

Bowe was a non-factor because Cassel never looked past the TEs or McCluster.

What did Siler do again?

He helped dumbass. I said he helped. Hali's transformation was one of the keys to turing things around when Pioli got the job, no? Vrabel was brought in to be a leader and help Hali transition.

Also, the locker room reports were bullshit.

He didn't look at Bowe because he knew he was covered. Don't worry, we still get Champ twice and Joe Haden late in the year. Other than that, it should be smooth sailing for Bowe this year. It's hands down the easiest CB schedule he's ever faced.

Siler didn't miss a tackle like DJ did. I know that much. It might have been better if he had started.

Show me where he specifically helped out Hali. All it says in the article is this...

Yeah.....I'm so glad he rubbed off on Studebaker. You know....the OLB that shouldn't be on the field.

Yeah it's easy to never miss a tackle when you're never on the field to attempt one.

Quite an impressive feat. Also explains a lot...

You got a lot of things wrong yesterday. Perhaps not talking about what you got right would be wise. Not to mention that nobody denied the fact that DJ could miss a tackle during the game. You yourself said every LB will.

How about you just add it to your list man? LMAO

I'm not starting it. There is alot more that pertains to this conversation that I got right that I am not even going to get into. That's not my style. The bottom line is that my only mistake is being an idiot for falling into Pest's trap and talking football with him.

How about you back up the bullshit that you spout off about?

Show me where Vrabel helped Hali.

Not yet. You have to ask me nicely.

Chiefs fans continually underestimate Brandon Carr, a lockdown corner who we need. Remember the last game of the year when we played Denver? We were able to stack the box to contain Tebow and the running game and play lockdown man to man on the outside with Carr and Flowers, do you think we could do that with Routt?

No kidding. Remember the game Brandon Lloyd came into Arrowhead leading the league in receiving yards and Carr covered him all day and held him to zero catches? I'm happy to see the guy get a chance to be the #1 and follow receivers wherever they go. He's one of the best cover corners in the league and it's cool to see him shadow people.

That's what I thought.

Go **** yourself. You have no credibility around here.

ya, letting Carr go is gonna be right up there with Joe Horn and Rich Gannon.

He is coaching linebackers at Ohio State. Ask nicely and quit being a dick and I'll show you. Otherwise, just put it on your list Mr. Meany pants. Isn't this exactly like the DJ argument? I mean is it common place to know that DJ misses tackles and Vrabel taught Tamba as well as Studebaker?

ROFL at "credibility around here"

yep.

No kidding... what makes you credible? Telling someone you hope they get aids?:)

well i see that this thread has turned to total shit.

*sigh*

well you shouldn't have posted in it and it would still be fine. :D