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Psyko Tek 07-05-2012 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ragedogg69 (Post 8719859)
THIS. People always forget this about Nash. He makes his teammates better and he can shoot daggers from anywhere on the court. However, he is the worst defensive player I have ever seen. On defense, the Suns were basically playing 4 on 5 when playing against a penetrating PG.

Considering Nash could have just signed with the Lakers as a FA on the 11th and Phoenix will get nothing. I would have preferred that they shipped some of their dead weight to LA, but I think the only pick of value will be that 2015 1st rounder which will probably be when age catches up to LA and the pick ends up in the teens.

I am happy with the Suns signing Dragic. He should have never been traded way in the first place.

yes on both
Nash is an amazing shooter when he wants to

and great getting dragic back

still hate the ****ing lakers

RealSNR 07-05-2012 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 8719962)
Houston only had a chance to contend with the great Yao Ming, and they really ****ed up that window by adding some of the turdiest broke dick talent around him (McGrady, Artest, etc)

Houston will never contend now.

I was talking about their acquisition of draft picks to supposedly get Dwight Howard and Deron Williams.

I guess they can still make the Howard trade, since the NBA is weird that way. And with DWill and Howard combined with some of those supporting scorers, the Rockets would absolutely be able to contend with the Thunder and the Lakers in the conference.

vailpass 07-05-2012 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8719400)
Good move. We desperately needed a shooter that could effeciantly distribute the ball.

Even considering his age, this is a perfect fit.

Move Bynum for Howard and next years finals of Lakers/Heat would be the best finals matchup since the Magic/Kareem Lakers versus the Jordan/Pippen Bulls.


:spock:Please.

Amnorix 07-05-2012 12:41 PM

Wow. :Lin:

DJ's left nut 07-05-2012 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 8719994)
:spock:Please.

It would be very similar.

The Magic/Kareem Lakers were declining as a power but had 2 of the top 25 players in NBA history on their roster. As they faced off against the Bulls with Jordan and Pippin, they were being challenged by a younger team that also had 2 of the top 50 players in NBA history on its roster.

Granted, there's no Jordan here, but there's greater overall talent when you go roster to roster. Kobe/Nash/Howard/Bynum would probably kick the piss out of the early 90s Lakers and the James/Wade/Bosh Heat (now that James has evidently pulled his head from his ass) would be able to run with that Bulls squad.

I think you're letting nostalgia win the day here. The comparison is pretty fair.

mcaj22 07-05-2012 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 8719976)
I was talking about their acquisition of draft picks to supposedly get Dwight Howard and Deron Williams.

I guess they can still make the Howard trade, since the NBA is weird that way. And with DWill and Howard combined with some of those supporting scorers, the Rockets would absolutely be able to contend with the Thunder and the Lakers in the conference.



well that was never going to happen. Houston was never a major player for either. They can make all the attempts they want with good offers but if the players dont want to go there then Houston is shit outta luck

mnchiefsguy 07-05-2012 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8720015)
It would be very similar.

The Magic/Kareem Lakers were declining as a power but had 2 of the top 25 players in NBA history on their roster. As they faced off against the Bulls with Jordan and Pippin, they were being challenged by a younger team that also had 2 of the top 50 players in NBA history on its roster.

Granted, there's no Jordan here, but there's greater overall talent when you go roster to roster. Kobe/Nash/Howard/Bynum would probably kick the piss out of the early 90s Lakers and the James/Wade/Bosh Heat (now that James has evidently pulled his head from his ass) would be able to run with that Bulls squad.

I think you're letting nostalgia win the day here. The comparison is pretty fair.

I think vailpass's point was that that particular series only went 5 games, and was not very competitive as the Bulls mopped the floor with the Lakers.

58-4ever 07-05-2012 01:19 PM

Wow. If you think Sessions got abused by Westbrook, it's going to be 10X worse with Nash attempting to defend him. And if you switch, I don't think Nash is capable of staying with Harden either.

Titty Meat 07-05-2012 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 8719788)
They still can't keep up with OKC.

Oh and they also have that big vagina from Spain on their team.

Durant isn't from spain

The Bad Guy 07-05-2012 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 58-4ever (Post 8720116)
Wow. If you think Sessions got abused by Westbrook, it's going to be 10X worse with Nash attempting to defend him. And if you switch, I don't think Nash is capable of staying with Harden either.

It's really not about one on one defense here.

The difference is going to be how defenses can play LA now.

Those Thunder loses were awful in terms of PG play. 33 points and 17 assists in 4 games is dog shit.

That won't happen with Nash.

BigCatDaddy 07-05-2012 02:49 PM

An over the hill team getting older doesn't seem to make much sense.

Jerm 07-05-2012 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 8720259)
An over the hill team getting older doesn't seem to make much sense.

Except when it makes you instantly better....

vailpass 07-05-2012 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 8720259)
An over the hill team getting older doesn't seem to make much sense.

5 years ago this would have been a much bigger deal. Still, it can't hurt LA to try it.

BigCatDaddy 07-05-2012 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 8720274)
Except when it makes you instantly better....

Sure, because adding the aging ex superstar is always is the key to putting you over the top.

BigCatDaddy 07-05-2012 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 8720280)
5 years ago this would have been a much bigger deal. Still, it can't hurt LA to try it.

I have visions of Barkley and Drexler as Rockets and Malone and Payton as Lakers dancing through my head right now. I just don't see it working out at all if that's all they do.

vailpass 07-05-2012 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 8720285)
I have visions of Barkley and Drexler as Rockets and Malone and Payton as Lakers dancing through my head right now.

Ouch. Nash may have a little more in the tank than they did unless his back injury worsens.

BigCatDaddy 07-05-2012 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 8720288)
Ouch. Nash may have a little more in the tank than they did unless his back injury worsens.


I don't remember any pg's that old that played at a high level. They need to do more then just add him if they want to make a run. He's also somewhat a product of the system. His numbers should really be down playing in a more 1/2 court system.

Nash will be 39 next season.

Kobe has more miles on him then Frankie's mom.

Gasol is a pussy.

Bynum can't stay healthy.

I'm just not seeing it unless they get Howard somehow which I doubt

vailpass 07-05-2012 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 8720298)
I don't remember any pg's that old that played at a high level. They need to do more then just add him if they want to make a run. He's also somewhat a product of the system. His numbers should really be down playing in a more 1/2 court system.

Nash will be 39 next season.

Kobe has more miles on him then Frankie's mom.

Gasol is a pussy.

Bynum can't stay healthy.

I'm just not seeing it unless they get Howard somehow which I doubt

Makes sense.

kcxiv 07-05-2012 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 8720298)
I don't remember any pg's that old that played at a high level. They need to do more then just add him if they want to make a run. He's also somewhat a product of the system. His numbers should really be down playing in a more 1/2 court system.

Nash will be 39 next season.

Kobe has more miles on him then Frankie's mom.

Gasol is a pussy.

Bynum can't stay healthy.

I'm just not seeing it unless they get Howard somehow which I doubt

Bynum played through the whole season without an injury last year in a rushed condensed season. Its a start. N ot to mention he played way way way more minutes then he's ever played in his 7 year nba career. He's in the best physical shape he's ever been in. When he's not injured kid puts in alot of training.


Kobe takes care of his body and is in great shape as always.

Cant argue with Gasol, he's a pussy and he frustrates the hell out of me.

I dont want them to get Dwight because its iffy. If they gamble and it fails, its just to big a damn risk. Coming of a serious back injury that had to have surgery, may not be ready to start the season, which means he's not going to be able to practice with the team at all really. Then the fact that he dont know what the **** he wants to do and the team that he wanted to go to moved the **** on.

Its just to big a damn risk. Bench is a huge concern, but with who they have now, i think they can sign a few decent ring chasing veterans.

ChiefsCountry 07-05-2012 03:46 PM

LeBron punking Kobe's ass in the Finals will be well worth it.

The Bad Guy 07-05-2012 05:02 PM

Nash a product of the system?

He's played in 3 different systems from Nelly to D'Antoni to Alvin Gentry.

He had minimal talent on last year's Suns and still put up 12/10.

mcaj22 07-05-2012 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 8720467)
Nash a product of the system?

He's played in 3 different systems from Nelly to D'Antoni to Alvin Gentry.

He had minimal talent on last year's Suns and still put up 12/10.


I wouldnt say those systems are that different. All three systems focus on running the floor offenses, 2 of them are very small ball systems where you can find shooting guards at powerfoward and undersized centers.

All 3 systems have no emphasis on good defense. Nash has pretty much been doing the same run n gun offense his entire career and I'd say the last 5 years has benefited from what I understand to be the best training staff in the NBA/pro sports in what they have on the Suns. Everyone from Nash, Shaq, Grant Hill, you name it praises that staff for keeping them fresh at 1000 years old.

Jerm 07-05-2012 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 8720284)
Sure, because adding the aging ex superstar is always is the key to putting you over the top.

Uh yes, in this case...it is. They are instantly WAYYYYY better than they were last year and could contend with what they have now

BUT

I wouldn't say it quite puts them over the top, that'll happen when they trade for Howard.

DBOSHO 07-05-2012 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 8720344)
LeBron punking Kobe's ass in the Finals will be well worth it.

Eh. He might put up a few points on a guy thats played about 500+ more games than him.

kcxiv 07-05-2012 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DBOSHO (Post 8720712)
Eh. He might put up a few points on a guy thats played about 500+ more games than him.

Kobe has played a total of 16 NBA seasons and 2 more seasons in the play offs for a totaly of 18 nba seasons in pure games. lol Its a damned big number and he's only 33. lol

kcxiv 07-05-2012 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DBOSHO (Post 8720712)
Eh. He might put up a few points on a guy thats played about 500+ more games than him.

if team stays in tact. Kobe wont be gaurding Lebron, he may every now and again, but its mostly Artests job and if they do sign Grant Hill, it wll be his job as well.


Kobe would be on Wade for like 90 percent of the minutes he plays.

NJChiefsFan 07-05-2012 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 8720191)
Durant isn't from spain

Pretty sure he meant Gasol, who is a pretty big vagina. He has that flopping and everything really hurts European act going on.

Titty Meat 07-05-2012 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 8721068)
Pretty sure he meant Gasol, who is a pretty big vagina. He has that flopping and everything really hurts European act going on.

Pau has 2 rings


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