Why would you say Cleveland? They are and exspansion team, even though they kept the name, they have never won a playoff game.

Remember, Clark can't move quite as fast as solo owners, because he's actually Chariman of a group (with his 3 other siblings). He's probably not the biggest shareholder by any large margin; I would presume each of Lamar's 4 heirs have roughly equal ownership of the chiefs.

You know, I hope your dumb ass doesn't have any children.

If you do, I feel sorry for those poor little bastards.

I was under the impression, perhaps mistaken, that while his siblings all hold equal shares, they agreed to give Clark complete control because they have no real interest in the team, other than the money they can make from it.

Why would you say KC over Cleveland?

Cleveland has more pieces in place, IMO. Better players at more positions.

Is your sarcasm meter broken, or was it my delivery? I was trying to make a corolation of the Pioli/Stafford love fests on this place. :)

I was also under the impreession that Clark is the only one with a vote.

After reading the rest of this thread, a couple posters have done a better job than I of detailing it.
I think it was Adam Shien (sp?) or Randy Cross on Sirius yesterday (10 1/2 hour drive, listening to NFL Sirius) who said it best.

Cleveland has no tradition, they are the Browns in name only. They are an expansion team, that has only been in one playoff game, with no wins. The team moved to Baltimore in the dark of the night. The Chiefs have actually been to two playoffs, since the 9-7 appearance by the new "Browns."

KC is getting a virtual new facility, plenty of money to spend and a young owner wanting to win.
Clark has exhibited, in the last couple weeks, that he is ready to put his stamp on this team and move on.

I could be wrong, but that is my take.

WTF. You're raised in a football family and you don't wanna take part in the ball club? The ball club that your father loved dearly. A Historic Ball club that was part of the foundation of what we now call the NFL. F-That, those ungratefull bastards!

I would be fist fighting Clark for control of the team

Probably a combo of the 2.

:D

Same here.

If you've gotta ask, you can't afford it.

Chiefs and Pioli
 

CHIEFS CHASING PIOLI, TOO
Posted by Mike Florio on December 31, 2008, 5:47 p.m.
As Pats V.P. of player personnel Scott Pioli interviews with the Cleveland Browns, the Kansas City Chiefs reportedly have entered the mix.

Mike Reiss of the Boston Globe reports that the Chiefs have requested and received permission to interview Pioli for the team’s vacant G.M. job.

Earlier this week, ESPN’s Chris Mortensen reported that the Chiefs are interested in Pioli, Ravens director of pro personnel George Kokinis, Ravens director of college scouting Eric DeCosta, Colts assistant G.M. Chris Polian, and possibly former Browns G.M. Phil Savage.

If I were a GM I would rather start with a blank slate and mold the football team to my vision and the vision of my coaches.

The Chiefs have a VERY strong base with all the young talent they've brought in. The only players not in place are the most important ones "game changers". If I were a GM I'd want to pick MY QB, MY DEs. Not what I get stuck with b/c of big contracts.

Not to mention the Chiefs have just as many Pro Bowlers as the Browns.

In theory, all of these people sound like a qualified GM. Savage has put together great talent, but Crennel is not a good head coach.

The people that Hunt is interested in, aren't real reaches IMO.

With all these recent changes in the league, it is going to be really tough to get him.

Exactly. If it sounds too good to be true, then it is (with the Chiefs).

Pioli, Polian, DeCosta, Colbert, who cares? I have no proof that one is better than the others and neither does anybody else here.

exactly
the buzz is there is more good men out there
than jobs

They won that race to the podium to draft Ryan Sims.


...never mind...

best cap guys? you mean like good at taking orders from Clark?
Clark: Save me some money damn it
Thum: How much?
Clark: alot
Thum: Hows 30 million under cap?
Clark: Great let's go to the country club.
Thum: free agencey is coming, i should be working
Clark: we're not spending any money, Hell we're the chiefs we suck noone wants to come here to play unless they are like 60 years old and just want a paycheck like Ty Law or Donnie Edwards.
Thum: well now what?
Clark: I got a great BJ last night
Thum: What was his name?
Clark: Herm but he should shave them stubbles

Hamas being Hamas/please

ROFLROFL
If I wasn't sitting in my recliner I would have fallen out of my chair.ROFL

How many GMs have won more Super Bowls (or been to more Super Bowls) this decade than Scott Pioli? I count zero.

How many GMs have won more playoff games than Pioli this decade (or during any decade in NFL history)? I count zero. In fact Pioli has won more playoff games with the Patriots since 2001 (14) than the Chiefs have won in their entire franchise history.

How many GMs can boast the ability to effectively blend the utilization of the draft and free agency as well as Pioli has with the Patriots, drafting the likes of Tom Brady, Dan Koppen, Matt Light, Logan Mankins, Asante Samuel, Vince Wilfork, Ty Warren, Richard Seymour, Jerod Mayo and Deion Branch, and signing/trading for impact free agents such as Rodney Harrison, Mike Vrabel, Wes Welker, Adalius Thomas, Randy Moss and Corey Dillon? I count zero.

How many GMs can say they were voted Executive of the Year 4 different times this decade by major media outlets/organizations such as The Sporting News (voted by NFL executives), SI, USA Today, Pro Football Weekly and the NFLPA? I count zero.

Scott Pioli is the cream of the crop when it comes to current GMs in this league, yet certain elements of the fanbase want the Chiefs to settle for second or third best. I don't understand why. It is that simple.

Scott Pioli has done a hell of a job of compiling a list of players for Bellichick to work with, and is a big part of the success, but he isn't the guy that made the final decission on drafting/signing/trading for those players.

Bellichick is the decision maker.

Has anyone considered the irony of hiring Pioli?

We had our west-coast asshole (Carl). Now we get our east-coast asshole.

Be careful what you wish for!

I wish you'd get laid.

Cleveland expects Pioli to make decision today, feel demands were "high"...
 

The clock is ticking on Patriots vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli, who today must decide whether he wants to take the Cleveland Browns’ offer to be their chief football executive, according to sources familiar with the negotiation.

The two sides met yesterday in New York, and parted company with no deal in place, but with the deadline established.

Club owner Randy Lerner made his pitch, and Pioli countered. According to one source, some within the Browns organization feel Pioli made demands so high that perhaps he really doesn’t want to leave the Patriots nest.

Or maybe he’s simply overplaying his hand.

Lerner is also expected to interview Atlanta Falcons president Rich McKay today for the same post. If that meeting does in fact take place, it would be a telltale sign the romance and flirtation with Pioli has ended.

The Browns also want to meet with recently fired Denver Broncos coach Mike Shanahan, according to a report on the Cleveland Plain Dealer’s Web site. That adds another interesting wrinkle.

Pioli wants full control of the organization, and his first choice as head coach is Iowa’s Kirk Ferentz, a fellow former Browns staffer.

Lerner also met with deposed Jets coach Eric Mangini yesterday as a candidate for the head coaching position to replace yet another former Patriots staffer, Romeo Crennel, whom Lerner fired Monday. Several sources have indicated Lerner has a deep infatuation with Mangini, whose brother-in-law is Cleveland Indians general manager Mark Shapiro. Lerner believes some of the Bill Belichick coaching magic still exists in Mangini.

Pioli, however, appears to be the first priority.

The Browns entered yesterday’s meeting prepared to make what was described by a league source as “a huge” financial offer to the Pats executive. The money might have been “huge” but apparently not everything suited Pioli. According to sources, some of his demands were impossible for any team to meet.

Should Pioli spurn Cleveland’s offer, there are still a few more jobs potentially in the offing. Kansas City is one, and Pioli’s on the short list there. The Chiefs have also asked permission to speak with him.

The fit, however, might not be right there as owner Clint Hunt is said to be looking for a younger and less-heralded front office executive in the mold of Atlanta’s Thomas Dimitroff, another fledgling from the Patriots nest.

Denver is also another potential landing spot for Pioli, but doesn’t seem likely since Pat Bowlen, who just canned coach/general manager Shanahan, intends on hiring a coach first. He has also told his staff he will stick with the scouting staff, which would oppose Pioli’s stated desire for total control.

Pioli is out of the running at Detroit.

As for offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels, the Browns have asked and reportedly been granted permission to speak with the Ohio native about their head coaching job. It’s not clear if McDaniels has decided to finally throw his hat in the ring, and interview for a top job. He’s also on Detroit’s list.

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I really don't think Pioli is asking for full control to become Team President and CEO, but rather have full control over the football operations.

If he wants to hire Ferentz here, fine. I don't know a lot about him, but Pioli obviously knows what he wants and if "Clint" is serious about him, he's going to have to play the game.

Who the **** is Clint Hunt?

Clark Hunt > Randy Lerner

Say goodbye to Pioli. and I don't give a flying f***

YOU GO TO HELL YOU GO TO HELL AND YOU DIE....

Well that's a real positive attitude.

Fook him and and any one else who doesnt want change.

It's hard to say what will happen but I guess we'll find out shortly which way the Chiefs are going.

If we don't land Pioli, are there any prospects among the playoff teams this year that might make us a good GM?

I wouldnt put a lot of stock into Ron Borges here. A lot of this article doesnt ring true with things that have been reported elsewhere. Namely the whole deadline thing, which a lot of Cleveland people say isnt true because Lerner wouldnt have scheduled an interview with Rich McKay if he wasnt going to honor it.

And in reference to KC, Borges doesnt even think the Chiefs are a viable option because of his own misinformed assumptions. He keeps saying Pioli doesnt sound like the kind of GM Clark Hunt is looking for, which makes no sense. And he has written in the past, based on his own assumptions, that Clark would want Denny Thum to be consulted on football issues. No one has ever even hinted would be the case, but Borges thinks it will happen for some reason.

I think it is interesting that the Browns are interviewing head coaches and executives. I think that actually makes the Chiefs a more favorable landing spot, although we may lose out on a coach in the process. Seems like the exec won't have complete control there. Is he going to lay off a coach just hired? Here, he gets to shitcan Herm on his first day.

Clint? LMAO

i would be pretty surprised if Pioli would make a decision without talking to anyone else.

I think it's going to happen.

Pioli - GM
Ferentz - HC
Crennel - DC

That's a hell of a strong team.

Sirius NFL Radio's Pat Kirwan, who I think is one of the best, made a really good comment on his show the other day....

Pioli is the best on the market, and he knows it. The Browns forcing an ultimatum on a guy they have no leverage over is beyond laughable. Pioli's high demands could be a way of saying: "who do you think you are? Do you even know who I am?"

I don't think Pioli is unhireable. The Browns are acting like a team in a panic to get any hire they can get in. You can tell, the way they're interviewing coaches without a GM present and the way they're forcing an ultimatum on a GM who doesn't need the Browns' job.

Somebody sell me on why Kirk Ferentz is a good candidate for an NFL head coach.

Movin' the Chains is the best NFL talk show out there.

Clint Hunt
now that's a porn star name

He's not Herm Edwards!

you can't really

young college coach that has some NFL coaching experience

they hope that this potential is enough ... NFL coaching experience gives them extra hope that he won't be steve spurrior.

i'm not saying he won't succeed, but it's not like he's been in anyway dominate at Iowa. In fact, his record has been pretty mundane at Iowa ..... 81-74.

Watch what happens to Iowa after he leaves.

Browns to interview Pioli
Mangini is also on their docket
By Christopher L. Gasper, Globe Staff | December 31, 2008

Patriots vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli is scheduled to interview today with Cleveland Browns owner Randy Lerner for a position as the chief football decision-maker for the team, according to the Associated Press.

The fact that Pioli has agreed to interview indicates that he might be closer than ever to leaving the Patriots.

Pioli's name has been linked to jobs in the past - without interviewing, he was offered a position with the Seahawks in 2005 that reportedly included a five-year, $15 million contract, and he also declined to interview for the Giants general manager job in January 2007 - but he always has ended up back in New England with coach Bill Belichick.

Adding intrigue to the idea of Pioli in Cleveland is that Lerner was scheduled to interview deposed Jets coach and former Patriots defensive coordinator Eric Mangini for the Browns' head coaching position, according to the AP and the Cleveland Plain Dealer.

Mangini was with the Patriots and Pioli and Belichick from 2000-05, serving as defensive backs coach and then defensive coordinator his final season before defecting for New York and sparking a bitter feud.

It is believed it was Mangini who tipped off Jets security about the Patriots illegally filming signals in the 2007 season opener, spawning "Spygate."

The ramifications of the Patriots being caught with a candid camera included the league docking them a first-round pick.

Both the Herald and NFL.com reported yesterday that Pioli's first choice as Browns coach would not be Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels, but Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz, offensive line coach for three seasons on Belichick's staff in Cleveland, when Pioli, who started there as a pro personnel assistant in 1992, was with the Browns.

Like Pioli, Mangini began his career in Cleveland, starting as a 23-year-old public relations intern and ball boy for the Browns in 1994.

He was fired as Jets coach Monday after New York collapsed down the stretch, losing four of its last five games to finish 9-7 and miss the playoffs.

Lerner also got permission from Falcons owner Arthur Blank to interview Atlanta president Rich McKay.

I would love to see Pioli with the Chiefs but not if he's asking for stupid money.

I didn't realize Iowa football has ever been relevant under Ferentz's watch.

It doesn't matter to me what they pay him, since none of it goes against the cap. I'm guessing that whereever he ends up he's going to be pulling 5 mil+ a year.

It's not my money and it won't count against the cap so I wouldn't care. In fact it would show me that Hunt is serious about making this organization the best...

Kind of my point. I wish htismaqe were still around to give his opinion on the matter. Phobia should chime in, but he's gone to hell since htismaqe left.

Hugh Spankadocious

I wonder when Clark and Pioli are scheduled to meet.

I would think Clark is serious about him but is the interest mutual or is Pioli just using the Chiefs to leverage a better offer from Lerner?

the money doesn't matter ..... it's the power

i really don't want the new guy to have more jobs than GM

conflict of interest when i a guy has GM and president

GM - top priority is to win
President - top priority is to make money for owner

I just hope he gets a chance to interview in KC.

The fact Cleveland beat the Chiefs in terms of being the first team to interview Pioli and make him an offer is pathetic.

Why has it taken Clark close to a week to even CONTACT and receive permission from the Patriots to interview Pioli?

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Your and idiot.

Because Clark might not have him as number one on his list. WHY IS THIS SO ****ING HARD TO UNDERSTAND???

bitch slapping in
3 2 1

Hey, does that ignore application work on a Mac? Or is it a Firefox plug-in?

Please post a link - I gotta add a few morons to it.

Why in the hell would you care how much money a GM is asking for? I say pay the coaches & front office the top money in the league, if they are worth it. Its about the only place where a team can gain an advantage over another.



Can't recall a GM getting put on injured reserve or got a rookie signing bonus that left the team in cap hell when things didn't work out.

The KC Star disagrees with your claim:

The Chiefs’ search for a new general manager still appears centered on Pioli, the New England Patriots’ vice president of player personnel.

http://www.kansascity.com/666/story/960432.html

I have a bit of problem with a high paid staff
DV's was the highest paid by far in their day
they were refered to as arrogant by the zebras -effected calls

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Google "TYCAM FFVB"

So you'd rather get front office people on the cheap? Arizona and Cincinnati tried that strategy until a few years ago... didn't work out too well for them.

does your bulb
have three settings
it's not even on right now

They're throwing darts just like everyone else. Just a week ago, they reported that they were going after Marty and even offered him a position. Now they post an article saying the exact opposite. Yeah, seems completely credible.

Clark could very well be putting misinformation out there. His guy could still be in the playoffs, or at the least, he wants to talk to more than one person before making this decision instead of hastily hiring the newest hot name like Cleveland is apparently.

Maybe Pioli is his guy, who knows. But to act like you know anything about it is laughable as none of us do.

I know right...

My source that Pioli is the Chiefs primary target is the KC Star... where is your source that Pioli isn't the Chiefs #1 target?

Your source said Marty was the #1 target a week ago!!

My source is Clark Hunt I guess. He clearly stated he wanted to talk to several people and take his time on the decision. Doesn't sound like he knows who his #1 target is, does it?

I wouldn't be willing to give him total control like he wants. If it comes down to that, it's too bad, and Clark should be adamant. We don't need King Scott I.

I'm not high on Ferentz as a head coach.

1. College guys are seldom successful in the pros.

2. A defensive guy isn't going to be best for developing a young franchise QB. If we got a great QB coach and offensive coordinator, I might reconsider.

3. Frenentz seems awfully happy at Iowa.

If Pioli wants Ferentz, I'm not as high on him.

If Clark is smart, he's doesn't have a #1 target, he has several #1 targets.

Go into these interviews with an open mind, not already deciding that if Pioli doesn't come off as an idiot, he gets the job.

Personally, everything he's done to this point speaks to my opinion that he's planning on talking to guys that are working right now, and he's not going to hire ANYONE until he's talked to everyone on his list.

I completely agree. I think it would be a huge mistake to just go grab the first hot name that comes to mind.