I hate herm even more now...

Exactly! Just think what woulda happened had Carl brought Herm in as DC/assistant head coach under DV. coulda, woulda, shoulda.

Riiiight he purposely threw the game and all the players just agreed with it :rolleyes: The better team won that day. Dungy just embarrased Hermy.

It is not that.. Herm is trying to play it safe with the young guys during the rebuild.. You let them go out there and play.. Call plays that will excel them in the game, not put leashes on them..

How is calling plays that the defense and offenses of opposing teams know what we are doing.. We telegraph blitzes and our running plays.. We are not letting the young learn or build on the season..

Herm is just hindering them.. The Chiefs will be no better next year at this rate..

Herm would of stabbed DV in the back ass fast as he could.. Herms EGO will not allow him to work under someone with fair superior football coaching skills...

Im not saying the players did, our defense proved that! Im saying herm did. look at our game plan, the colts knew what we were going to do, they were geared up to stop the run. Our OL, while it wasnt good, still had Shields at the time. That line was better than it is now. Trent Green (mixed with the play calling) sucked gigantic balls. We played herm ball, and lost. We had less than 200 yards of total offense. When Herm should have went to the sidelines for huard, he didnt. Did you even watch the 06 playoffs?

I regret that I watched that game....

I think we all knew that the players would struggle. We all understood that there would be growing pains with young players. I also think most are still willing to be patient where the rebuilding applies to the players. However, the part that is not acceptable is the coaching and thier handling of the rebuilding project. In no way are these players being put in a position to win. From a play calling standpoint, or a psychological standpoint.

Speaking for myself, I have no issue with the players, I have a problem with the coaching. There is no bigger hypocrite than Edwards. He says one thing and does something else. If there was any faith in the coaching, the growing pains would be a little more bearable. The way it is, even if the players start to get better, the coach (Edwards) wont.

How could anyone believe that Herm Edwards can deliver a Superbowl to KC?
 

I promise you , I have not had that vision since Vermil has left, Herm was not the answer.

I guess we'd have the 30th ranked D in the league. Like we do right now.

You are the biggest flip-floper here. It was less than a month ago when you were flashing your Hermines sig.

Yes. I reached my breaking point. Enough was enough.

You must be trolling TJ. If you have been around here at all for the last month, you would have noticed that Herm has worn out his welcome and the only way he will take a team to the SB is if he buys their airfare, hotel and tickets to watch the game.

That's it Zouk we are going to send in Army Group North with the 1ST Panzer Division in after your ass.

I did tell you so... But I was more looking to get a finger on the pulse of Chiefs fans here to learn whether or not he had any fan support whatsoever. It appears it's completely evaporated...

...which makes me wonder about the locker room. I wonder what guys like Tony and LJ are thinking when they suit up before a game. I wonder what the young players are experiencing. I wonder if Herm can hold onto a job all season long if he's a lame duck by October.

I think that it's dangerous to put young players through a lame duck season. If Herm is going to be fired at the end of the season, there is no reason he shouldn't be canned now, and Gunther promoted to interim HC. At the very least, you know that Gunther will kick some asses and get people's attention. But maybe his check has been cashed to (so to speak), and he no longer has credit with the players.

It's a tough situation, but in my estimation, something should be done sooner rather than later if it's going to be done at all. If Herm isn't fired by mid-November, then my hunch is that Carl is receiving no pressure at the top to do it - and thus, you're looking at another season of Herm's plan.

You guys need me as your GM.

All the young players have bought into Herm's bullshit, Taco.

The veterans, not so much.

Based on what I've heard recently, I'm not sure if Herm is going to be fired.

The whole franchise is in a cluster**** at the moment. Too many egos unwilling to take responsibility for their epic failures.

Save us, Clark.

My theory has been that one of the reasons Hermoine decided to can key veterans (Trent Green) was precisely because they weren't buying his bull. It makes sense that LJ stuck around ... he got a whole lot of money and Herm's a black coach (LJ's on the record as saying that white coaches don't understand guys like him), but Gonzo is a different deal - I guess he wanted to stick because he wants to retire a Chief. Either that, or it's true that he didn't really realize when he re-signed how this whole "rebuild" thing was going to go down. Really, our only other veteran is Waters and he's a good soldier, it appears.

The troubling thing about this is that our young players have now been infected by deadly, career-jeopardizing Herms. When God smiles on the franchise at long last and we finally get a new HC, he'll basically have to start all over with a lot of these guys because they'll be all messed up.

FAX

Bad coaching
Bad QB
Handcuffed approach to offense
Bad Oline
Bad Wr's that can't get open
Bad pass rush
Bad LB's
Bad secondary
Bad ST


There isn't one aspect of the game we are even decent at

Our punter is pretty good.

He was before he came down with a limp, anyway.

FAX

Join the other 90% of KC's fanbase who said the same thing.

Yeah, Gunther kicks asses and demands attention.

You apparently haven't watched out defensive unit very much, have you?

No, I think Taco has a point. It was more like 50/50. There were lots of people willing to give Herm a chance, and even more who were willing to give him a chance after his first season, even despite the playoff game. A lot of people blamed that on the players.

Taco never for once had an ounce of respect for Herm Edwards.

Look what happened when Herm brought his Jets into Arrowhead ! I remember that game, what an ass kicking we gave old Herm and his sad sack team. But boy did NYJ and Herm get the last laugh......

The only positive thing Herm supporters have left is Herm is supposedly a "good draft guy".

Carl Peterson has been such a TERRIBLE DRAFTER that it makes Herm "appear" to be a good drafter.

In reality Herm is average draft analyzer at best. A monkey would've known to take Dorsey, and where the hell is our QBOTF if Herm is some drafting guru ?

Give me a break. Analyze this ol' see er of see ers, if your O-line is young and inexperienced should you not have a hearty and hard to break QB behind them ? Oh, that's where the unsinkable Croyle comes in, I forgot Herm....

The best thing Herm's provided this team is the 2008 draft. and it looks like he might not develop those guys appropriately.

The guy can only win with his plan if all players play perfectly and everything goes exactly by the book. He gets killed by other coaches and teams with more creativity.

If you can't develop your draft picks you are in a "hamster wheel" situation.

Moving forward but not going anywhere....

By "creativity", do you mean throwing the football on first or second down? If so, step away from the crack pipe, Mr. TinyEvel. That stuff can make you crazy.

FAX

All Gunther has been doing is chewing newtons, tobacco, and asses. Nobody listens to that crazy old fart anymore.

Once you've been called a ****ing, no-good vaginaturd a few hundred times, it kinda loses its sting. Besides, I don't see how that makes you a better tackler.

FAX

Whitlock did. Go back and read his articles.

Hahahaha! ROFL

Uhhhh, no. There were some. But I was here and there wasn't a whole lot of people saying the same thing. Mostly it was optimistic crap about what he did for the Jests, with a couple of Herm Haters who were being ostracized by everyone else.

Dude, he's the whole reason I stopped hanging out in this forum - out of mercy. I saw him instantly as Carl's yes man. Talking smack with you guys regularly was no longer fun, but instead cheap.

And there's another reason to hate Herm...he robbed us of the good times with Trollin' Taco. :(

It's also no fun sweeping us when we're shitty, I bet.

You can check my posts, I have never once given Herm the benefit of doubt.. Never have, never will care about him or his so called results.

I have been blasted and negged repped to no end, by many whom now are on the fire Herm bandwagon after they swallowed his load for the playoffs of 06.... I might of sounded like a broken record, but now people are saying the same things I have said since before his hiring about the douche.

I hated the trash can in NYJ, cant stand him here in KC, I think he is bad for the league and for player development....

Taco is right.

Well Troll, we stoled your coach, no go cry elsewhere while herm fixes our defense... /Chiefsplanet of 06

D2112?

Can we trade you Herm back?

ROFL is it really that high??

Never!

Carl Peterson should get the Braveheart treatment in the Arrowhead parking lot for ''giving the Jets a 4th round pick'' (Leon Washington) for this abomination of a coach. the Jets won despite Herm. I think they would have won a superbowl had they had a compotent coach instead of this piece of garbage.

"The prisoner wishes to say a word."

"RAAAAAAAAAAAAISE TIIIIIIIIIICKET PRIIIIIIIIIIIIIICES!!!!"

Mercy? ROFL

So why are you here trolling now? What's changed?

Denver losing to the worst team in the league wouldn't be it....now would it? After all the crowing, clowning and chest thumping before the game you folks did, this is all you got. It's not mercy as much as it's a desperate attempt at healing.

Yeah the Chiefs suck. But they whipped your asses handily.

Most intelligent thing I've ever heard out of you Taco. :cuss:

Not really. Taco is one of the few smart "other" fans around here. Nice taco. Nice taco...

I hardly think I could reasonably be called a troll, but no matter.

You guys did beat us. I had actually expected it. Didn't make it hurt any less, but I knew that no matter how bad your team is, you were going to get up for your Superbowl.

That was the Superbowl?

Damn......that was easy.

Not only is this a troll thread, had I started it on your board 3 months ago, it would have been moved. Let's be honest here.

I dont have a problem with it. But let's call it what it is. Not only is my calling you a troll on this thread reasonable, it's accuarate. Read the title again and tell me it's not bait.

It's fine by me. I enjoy the rivalry. Just dont be chickenshit about it.

I consider your contrubution here a good one.

you make stuff up don't you? 50/50? I highly doubt it.
the only 50/50 I see is that 50% of the time you are for Herm and 50% of the time you want him fired.:shake:

Herm is only here to take up cap space till we hire another coach.No one is this organization has the talent evaluation to say weather a coach is of that caliber or not.He was the shortest straw,and the only idiot that wanted the job at the time.

Nah, teams with crappy defenses like Denver don't belong in a game labeled Super Bowl. Stuper Bowl more likely as a team as bad as KC has no business owning a "contender" if you think Denver is one.