Herm had every right to remake the team in his image. He did not, however, have the right to remake the team in his image while wearing a Moe Howard Halloween mask.

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Dude, all the players were old and washed up. You're seriously acting like Trent Green and Eddie Kennison had four or five years left?

Herm had to clean house. Vermeil's veterans were ALL DONE.

That's funny, that expansion team made the playoffs.

The cupboard is bare NOW. AFTER Herm has been here for 3 years.

What talent has he infused? Flowers, Dorsey, Albert, Bowe, Charles... well I'm even struggling to get to 10 players who are Herm picks who have done anything

DO you agree with how he's running this team?

Claythan,

Your buddy Nick Athan predicted an 8-8 season. ROFL

Not 100 percent, but it's better than going out and and raiding the free agent market and trading away picks.

Whatever Bob - The Chiefs have lost 11 straight and counting. That does NOT have to be part of the deal. He is not the guy for the job and neither is Peterson. Time to CLEAN HOUSE! If that happens, then the Herm hire will be woth it. In any case, afterwards the Chiefs will still be around long after Herm and Carl are gone...

Anybody who thought this team could win 8 games must never have seen a football game in their lives

He probably didn't anticipate Croyle getting hurt...

nobody says that you ignoramus. everyone is in favor of a youth movement.

we're not in favor of Herm's cluelessness in game planning and preparing the team and his downright stupidity on game day. he might be able to evaluate defensive talent in the draft but he's the worst game day coach in the NFL.

sounds like the guy is an idiot then

Name three players, young or old, that DV inherited from Gunther, that were the equivelent of LJ, DJ and Jared Allen.

yeah, I didn't think so.

Tony Gonzalez
Will Shields
Donnie Edwards

Of course Vermeil saw fit to under use Gonzalez until it was apparent he was the best option. HE ALSO DUMPED DONNIE EDWARDS. WONDERFUL MOVE.

At least Dick found a way to use ONE future Hall of Famer correctly from the beginning. :rolleyes:

Herm's been captain of this crap barge for its entire voyage from the playoffs down to the sewer of the NFL. Just like the condition he left the Jets in. It's kind of funny that the Jets were also 10-6 when Herm took over, but were 4-12 when he left.

Too bad Herm couldn't leave the Chiefs when we were 4-12 last year.

It boggles the mind that people are still defending Herm like he's doing a great job or something. They aren't even losing competently. They don't look like they have little talent. They look like clowns who couldn't coach the Chiefs to a win against a peewee team.

Yippee, we're gonna lose 12 or 13 games this year! Herm is so awesome! Herm should be coach for life! Dick Curl is a QB genius! Gunther is the best defensive mind evar!

[sigh] I know you won't respond to this (I've posted it numerous times in the last few days) but the problem isn't going 0-2 or even losing to the Raiders; the problem is that we got blown out by a bottom 5 team and the coaching was a huge part of the loss. 3 QBs in the 1st quarter, including a 5'9" WR running the option and ramming LJ into a congested line over and over and over is not productive and is not acceptable.

That Raider game was one of maybe 5 games the Chiefs will have a chance to win this year and, realistically, probably the easiest game on the schedule and the Chiefs were never in it at all in large part due to the coaching decisions. I'm fine with letting Thigpen play (while Croyle is hurt) and see if he develops but you cannot defend the choice to put Hagans at QB to run the option.

Herm ran that game as though it were a fifth preseason game and that is not acceptable. It is one thing if we lose while the young guys are learning and developing but it is quite another if we lose because we are using philosophies and strategies which don't belong in the NFL and putting players in who have no chance at developing into the position. Get McIntosh off the damn field, never put Hagans at QB again and play a professional style of ball and I will accept the 13 losses this year much more graciously.

And then Mangini PROMPTLY made the playoffs with Herm's talent.



WHAT?

That's exactly what they look like.

Our quarterbacks suck.

Our offensive line sucks.

We have one wide receiver.

We have one linebacker.

so what you are saying is Herm can take a playoff team and make them lose 12 games all by himself. I think I might agree with that.

Are you seriously this dense?

The 2007 Chiefs did not have the talent of the previous year's squad.

I said Herm has taken both teams he's coached from 10-6 and in the playoffs to 4-12. Then you said "well that team wasn't that bad because Mangini took them to the playoffs".

I simply repeated what you said, Herm took a playoff team and made them 4-12.

Herm sucks on gameday, but he also sucks at replacing departing talent on the team at a rate that will even keep the team on an even keel. The verdict is in, every team he coaches gets progressively worse. He blows.

ROFL Donnie "drag me 10 yards and I will get you down" Edwards? The other two were passed on to Gunther, and ended up being passed on to Herm ****ing Edwards as well. Try again!

What?

No, he didn't.

PLAYERS GET OLD. THEY RETIRE. THEY BECOME LESS SKILLED.

The decline of Vermeil's Chiefs had NOTHING to do with Herm Edwards.

Bullshit. Bull, ****ing, shit.

Bullshit.

You're full of ****ing shit.

Donnie Edwards was a MUCH better player in 2001 than Derrick Johnson was in 2006.

The fact you want to dismiss Tony and Will is bullshit.

BULL
****ING SHIT

Your hatred of Herm Edwards has completely clouded your point of view. You are not willing to give him credit for a GOD DAMN THING.

Exactly. The team has declined under Herm and he's not done a thing to stop it. He's inept.

And the decline curiously resembles what he did to the Jets, take them from 6 losses to 12. But what do you know, get a coach in there who's not a complete moron, and they instantly make the playoffs.

What should Herm have done? Signed a bunch of free agents?

Herm did the only logical thing he could do - build via the draft. That process involves growing pains.

GET A CLUE.

I give Herm credit for an eleven game losing streak...

I see. I should GET OVER IT. We as fans don't deserve any better than going from the playoffs to the worst team in the NFL in 3 years. This rebuilding effort is going SO WELL. The coaching is amazing, young players are maturing before our very eyes. the Chiefs are playing exciting football and growing by leaps and bounds. This roster is just loaded with potential.

But three years aren't nearly enough for a coach to make an improvement in a team. It's more of a five year plan. Carl and Herm have a five year plan to get us to the super bowl, where have I heard that before.

Does it hurt to have Carl's hand up your arse moving your mouth like a muppet?

I credit him for turning the offense into a rejected clip from the Benny Hill show...

Donnie should have been a Cowboy, cause he rides 'em like he's at the rodeo.

Oh I give him plenty of credit, plenty. He single handedly, has turned this team in to the laughing stock it hasn't been for over two decades.

Sorry, I have been down this road before and recognize it for the stinking pile of shit that it is.

I am excited about the young talent on this team, if Herm and his flunkies don't destroy it before a real NFL HC gets here.

Exactly, he is actually a better player now, than during his previous stint with the Chiefs IMO.

You did finally get to watch Sunday's game, didn't you?

If you seriously want to blame someone for becoming the worst team in the NFL, DICK VERMEIL is the one to blame. He left Herm with practically NOTHING. Then Carl decided to try and hang on to Dick's creaky veterans for two more years before Herm could FINALLY start doing it his way.

Herm Edwards is blameless for the current state of the Chiefs. Only he can save us, however. So get behind him.

I'm going to blame Lamar Hunt for not firing Carl years ago.

Herman ****ing Edwards couldn't save you from drowning in your own piss.

You are a joke now... Get your lips off Gretz and Carl dude...

It wasn't Gansz' fault the team sucked. he had nothing to do with it. Gansz was an awesome coach just like Herm Gansz is. I mean Herm Edwards.

Sounds like Herm is the one "getting behind" you

I'm not getting behind this culture of failure. I want it changed. It'll be a cold day in hell before I become a Carl shill like you sir.

This team will not win a playoff game before Herm Edwards leaves KC.

Boy, if that is true.. put me firmly on the "Fire Herm NOW!!!" bandwagon. :D

No kidding, kind of like catching two fish on the same cast. Bonus!

Jumping back in here, I'm not surprised to see a couple of posters have taken up Pet/Edw/Gretz' defense. I want to respond to a couple of points that have come and gone with little notice.

This is bullshit - but I won't say "and you know it" because it's possible the truth hasn't sunk in. In the bolded parts you speak AS IF THE FANS ALL WERE OF ONE MIND and they simply WERE NOT. Most of the posters on this board, callers to KC sports talk, commenters on the KC Star sports pages, etc., NEVER BOUGHT IN to Clark Hunt's decision to retain Peterson and Edwards, and they certainly never forfeited their right to complain about GETTING FED THE SAME OLD CRAP from this organization. At most, much of the fan base showed resigned acceptance, and many never even went that far. The drumbeats for firing Peterson and Edwards - ESPECIALLY Peterson - never stopped.

Even if you accept this argument - and I don't - there is still absolutely NO reason not to dump Peterson now. Bringing in a new GM early would actually be beneficial. He could get first hand experience with the organization including players and coaches in real time and get started on his remodelling without any rush.


I'm really not sure how that helps your case that Edwards is a good coach. By your own account, Edwards took a team with playoff type talent and coached them to a 4-12 record. I'm a little confused.


Let's agree for the moment that all the offensive players Vermeil had got old. Let's not even talk about the offense at all. Let's talk about the defense. When Edwards came in, he inherited a bad but improving defense - and he continued it's improvement through his first two years. But this is year three and it's apparent early on that the D - Herm Edwards' D - has taken a step backward. Or are you going to blame that on all the great Vermeil veterans on the Defense getting old?

when he first started talking about the battle of the bulge..i thought he was referring to Rhonda the Hutt

The 2007 Chiefs did not have playoff talent. Don't know where you came up with that.



I wouldn't say that. Not at all. We essentially shut the Raiders out for a half on Sunday. Six points were on Colquitt (shanked punt) and Darling (tipped ball INT). Then they wore down because the offense hung them out to dry.

Our defense gave up 300 yards rushing, at home, to a bad offensive football team. That's bad defense any way you slice it.

God almighty man, get off your fat ass, quit spinning for the Chiefs and do something with your life. Since I'm obviously not going to get laid anytime this decade, can we at least get some mother****ing sunlight? You're a pathetic sack of shit!

And while you're at it, clean up the empty Dunkin Donut boxes. We got flies as big as B-52s flying around here because of that shit.

Yeah, they only gave up 300 yards to the 6th ranked rushing team from last year, who added Darren McFadden.

I can see why you think they are a bad offensive team...

:rolleyes:

Defense also isn't used to being on the field for the majority of the game.

I'm talking about the JETS - at least I think I am. That is who YOU were talking about WHEN I QUOTED YOU isn't it?




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In addition to getting reamed on the ground by the Raiders, the Chiefs gave up game-controlling rushing yardage to a very pedestrian New England offense operating with only about 10% of their playbook - this after an off-season devoted mainly to shoring up the run defense.

On top of that - and even more important in the long run - the Chiefs have NO semblance of a pass rush. Despite spending two of Edward's first three 1st-round picks on the DL and three of his four biggest free-agent signings on linebackers.

Nonsense. Even if they're the #1 rushing team in the NFL, 300 yards is too much. It was bad rushing defense. We even had problems stopping New England's rushing attack as well. This team will not be good against the run...again.

When our front four was being parted, our linebackers were jumping out of their lanes ALL DAY. Either poor coaching, or poor talent. Either way, it's on the coaches.

They may be a good running team, but they're a bad all around offensive team.

Reading that sentence has me confused.

Well, they should be getting used to it.

Had you said that, it would have been fine.

300 yards IS way too much.

You said they were a "bad offensive team."

I called bullshit.

lol.ROFL
I can't imagine having a life where you are sitting at home 24/7 practically.

And just typing on an internet forum most of the time.

That's really sad.

They are a bad offensive football team. Since you want to go off of last year's stats, they were ranked in the mid 20's in total offense.

They won't be any better this year. Probably worse.

No, they are a bad PASSING team.

Had they THROWN for 500 yards, I would have been surprised.

I wasn't surprised at all that they ran all over us, and said so repeatedly leading up to the game.

Certainly doesn't describe me. Must be some other penis.

Darling didn't touch that ball, Gannon just thought he did. It was off the defender who was practically in front of Darling when Huard threw it.

No, Darling definitely touched it. Stop trying to blame Huard. Shit! Who do I defend? My darling Huard or my darling...Darling? SHIT!

They only gave up 97 total yards in the first half. The beating began in the second half when the D finally got worn down from being on the field the whole time.

Gee that only happened....ALL LAST YEAR!

I think our defense would be amazing if it was paired with even an average offense.

I wouldn't go as far to say amazing, but they would definitely be respectable, IMO.

I think they're ALREADY respectable. They'll finish in the top 15 this year.

Hali might actually get a sack if we got a lead... :grr:

No, they're not.

They're ranked 24th in the league, caught a break not having to face Brady the entire game, and blew up like a poison dog against a one-dimensional Raiders team.

And it doesn't get any easier.

Michael Turner this week, then Jay Cutler and Brandon Marshall come to town to ass-rape us with that 3-foot razor dildo from Se7en.

It's the only form of validation GC knows, and even that is an amazing failure. Too bad I have to suffer along with him.

We'll see.

Leave a really bad defense on the field all day and they give up 35.

I'd hope so, genious. its right in the user name.

Shut up or I'll beat you to death.