Agreed on that. I see no use for him now.

OF course, I saw no use for him when they hired him.:#

I think your a ignorant twunt if you believe this is a true rebuild..

That's exactly what this column is saying. Why are you attacking it?

What is it, then?

And this is what the dumb ****ers are doing so far through two games.. They knew we would not be in contention, but they are still not putting their young players in situations to progress..

1st down run it up the gut. BRILLIANT:cuss:

We're missing 3 key things for a proper rebuild.

GM
Coach
QB

Other than that we're on our way.

Yep. If it was me I would be throwing 2 out of 3 downs and let it all hang out.

Same thing on D. Just blitz like a mother****er and let the young rooks go 1 one 1 the whole game.

So what you are saying is that we are pretty much screwed? :D

Well, that 'coach' part should really be the whole staff, so it's a lot more than 3 things....

I really think they're trying to protect the young guys by keeping it conservative and trying to get momentum going with the simple stuff. But for the love of bacon, they've got to get to the point where they say "**** it, let them make mistakes in the passing game, and hopefully the improvement will outweigh the mistakes." With the state of the OLine, that could be a "win big - lose big" decision, but hell it's not like it would ruin the season's aspirations....

Gotta let the dogs loose, or we'll never know what we've got.....

100% agree Fish :thumb:

Carl can lick my unwashed taint. **** him. And Herm can eat cow dingleberries. **** that guy.

I don't mind rebuilding, when it looks like the person running the team has sense. This ****ing moron starts calling stupid shit. How about basic foundational shit so the team can actually build a solid foundation.

No, lets throw the ****ing option in there, because its part of our long term winning strategy.

Did I mention **** CARL?

Your words of fishiness ring loudly through the gill slits of truth.

FAX

So ... let me get this straight ... the article vindicates Carl because it states that Carl's demeaning, disrespectful view of the fans is a more accurate, appropriate assessment than Clark's? Is that right?

FAX

Pretty much, yeah. But is it really a demeaning, disrespectful view if it's true? Why not just say "accurate view"?

AND CHANGE (entire front office to start)

In a word, Yes.

Pure, utter bullshit.

Except that it is 100% correct. Most of the fans who talked a good game this offseason turned out to be frauds. They say they want a winner, but they gladly spend their money for Carl and his 9-7 crap year after year. And when the team tries to do the right things to build a winner, they freak out because losing ruins their Sunday afternoon.

If the Chiefs had gone out and spent a bunch of cash on overpriced overrated FAs this offseason, the seats would still be full and everyone would be lapping up Carls BS about how the team was just a few players away.

All the masses really care about is a shiny object to distract them on Sunday. How else do you explain the obsession people still have with Dick Vermeil, even though he never won anything and his years here were a disaster for the team.

I'll repeat once again, I understand KC is in a rebuilding phase, but their is no signs of progress or signs that the process is working. Essentially, they don't know WTF they are doing.

He obviously doesn't understand what you understand.

Because there really should be visible, tangible progress. After two games.

so are these Scout people surreptitiously on the Chiefs payroll? you wouldn't know they weren't by reading this crap

the team has been demonstrably worse every year during Herm's tenure. it's not like this started last week

And the two of you (who were far from the only two, so get over yourself) may be right, still.

However, the fact that he has played behind some terrible O-Lines in both college and now with the Chiefs just might have something to do with his durability issues.

He's taken a beating.

And anyone who says that hit he took to separate his shoulder woudn't have taken out any other QB is just showing their bias.

His shoulder was ground into the turf.

Go watch basketball, pansy.

Anyone who expected to see progress from the players at this point in the season was sure to be disappointed.

But I expected to some some more imaginitive playcalling from Chan Gaily.

We keep seeing the same stupid shit.

We keep running into brick walls and putting ourselves into known passing situations, and that is a formula for failure.

It's non productive, and QB destructive.

It's the Bag 'em and Tag 'em offense.

Well, here's the thing, Mr. BigRock. A lot of Chiefs fans can differentiate between a "rebuild" and a deperate attempt to steal a cheap win by running the sloption.

In fact, I think a lot of Chiefs fans are sufficiently sophisticated to know the difference between playing young players in a scheme that allows them to maximize their skills, gain valuable playing time, and grow as both individual performers and as a team vs. dialing back, dumbing down, and displaying disorganized dumbassery.

Personally, I think that, if Hermoine were to just go for it, open up the offense, and take his lumps along the way, most peeps would understand and he would be far better off - both in the short term and in the long run. Besides, that's what he clearly indicated he was going to do and, you know, Chiefs fans don't like being lied to, either.

FAX

The problem with this is, with a young team you don't want a coach who looks lost on the sideline, having a coach and frankly a front office that appears to be completely lost is not good for the development of these players.

I said long ago the idea of going young is correct, but he isn't the right guy to get it done. He isn't the kind of coach to do this...the Chiefs have very very little leadership and it starts with Herm Edwards.

I don't have a problem rebuilding I have a problem with the people leading it, I feel that they are more likely to lead us to being Detroit. I don't feel we have the coaching staff to develop these players to their full potential or establish any leadership or confidence in them.

We have a head coach who in a rebuilding year where nothing is expected still coaches like his asshole is puckered with pressure.

QFT.

We'll never see change in the offense because Herm is here, it's his offense. He then will fire the OC as the scapegoat, it's why he's had 5 of them in 7 years....a new guy comes in and it's the same offense.

Keep complaining, people.

Then maybe, Herm will get his shit together, this team might gel, and we might win 4 games, giving Herm ANOTHER YEAR.

Christ, people should be doing ****ing backflips over Herm's incompetence, he's signing his own death notice.

The problem is there are some people that will say even if they go 1-15 no one will get fired, I know that sounds laughable but this is the Chiefs so that though does cross my mind.

I doubt Herm, too...I really do...

But I think Giants fans were probably saying the same thing about Tom Coughlin the last few years...

Just sayin'...

Might want to edit the online version -

"You see, if the Chiefs’ recent decent into also-ran status has shown us anything, it’s that Peterson may be a lot smarter than anyone’s been giving him credit for."

I'm pretty sure he meant "recent descent".

Yep I agree. It is like giving them a stick and send them off to fight the guy with an AK-47

That's actually a good analogy.

In most cases though, the guy with the stick would be smart enough to hide.

Herman ****ing Edwards is the guy with the stick that is so stupid, he stands out in the open and yells that he's going to kick some ass.

Every good rebuild starts with losing to an incompetent floundering division rival in your home opener that got embarassed themselves the week before in THEIR home opener! Everything is going according to plan!

It's been a rebuild for three years. Herm came in and immediately made changes to the defense and special teams. He brought his own special teams coach. He implemented the cover 2 and brought over a host of NY Jets to try to get it done and focussed on defense in his drafts. The rebuild didn't begin this year. .

So this is the first year they are actually ADMITTING to rebuilding. Got it.

And so far it's been bad because his first draft, the 2006 draft which can be judged now looks like a whiff.

it's a work in progress. long 2008, hoping for development as players, a good draft in 2009....
by 2011 we might contend if or draft picks gell as a team

You think it is a whiff? I don't.

1 20 20 Tamba Hali DE Penn State
** A good LDE. He's being played out of position this year. Bad coaching/GM move with Allen and forcing Hali to play the right side.

2 2 22 54 Bernard Pollard DB Purdue
** Not a great safety, but I think he's good and he is still improving.

3 3 21 85 Brodie Croyle QB Alabama
** at this point a bust because of injury problems.

4 5 22 154 Marcus Maxey DB Miami (FL)
** bust

5 6 17 186 Tre' Stallings G Mississippi
** bust

6 6 21 190 Jeff Webb WR San Diego State
** underperforming this year.

7 7 20 228 Jarrad Page DB UCLA
** excellent pick for a 7th rounder.

I think it's a whiff in terms of building a top level team through the draft, if you are comparing it to say Vermiel drafts then it's not.

All of the players that can contribute from that draft are role players and nothing more guys that frankly shouldn't be every down players.

Are you kidding me?

I'd give my left nut for the Chiefs to be as good as those Ravens. Your and idiot.

Yeah suffice it to say there was a HURRICANE and I couldn't edit anything the last few days.

You want to see some spelling errors on our front page just click on over.

We basically got shit from that draft. A wash as much as I hate to say it. Hali gets run right over in the run game, left side right side doesn't matter. Pollard will lose his job to morgan, and Page can't tackle a 3rd string RB in the open field. I would like to see Morgan take Page's Job. The guy just can't tackle.

Hali is just a guy.

Pollard is only a special teams player.

Croyle is not an NFL quarterback.

Maxey didn't even make the team his first year.

Stallings, Webb, Page - nothing


So in that entire draft we got Hali, who is invisible most of the time. None of these guys will be key contributors when (if?) we return to respectability.

Oh come on, I'm not saying it needs to be a Vermeil era or Eagles-Cowbows MNF style game.

I'm saying run, run, swingpass, punt is no fun to watch, even if you win 3-0 or 6-3.

Yeah, I'm an idiot because I'm tired of Herm's boring-ass r2p2 gameplan.

Good call. Guess my law school should take back that full-tuition scholarship they gave me.

Next time I post, I guess I'll have to conform to the majority opinion here so I don't get called names, online, by grown men.

to use in situations like this, and the other day when someone was bragging in another thread about their supposed connections in the chiefs organization, there should be a smiley called :bigtime:, maybe with an image of carl peterson

A group of douchebag slimy laywers looking at you and deciding: "We have to have this kid, he will make an excellent attorney" is not something I would brag about.

Congratulations, you've won the "most likely to grow up to be an asshole award", the funny thing is that you think this is an accomplishment.

When did I say anything about Herm's teams? we're talking about a SB winning Raven's team with one of the best defenses ever, your highness.

And you dont need those on a championship type team?

:clap:

You do, but you also need to pull at least one impact player out of your drafts. None of these guys make a real impact. Even if they are not everydown players, you need difference makers, and thses guys just aren't.
I do think these guys will contribute, but to what?

Page and Pollard are going to be good players. I think Hali is a solid starter if he's moved back to left end. Webb is a solid role player. I think it's a good draft overall. Better than Vermeil's, anyway.

you're an idiot if you think pollard and page are ever going to be good starting safeties in the NFL. apparently the chiefs agree since they spent the pick on morgan

Yeah, they drafted Morgan because of their concern for Page and Pollard, not because of the ridiculous value he was in the 3rd round...

:rolleyes:

Christ, Page was a SEVENTH round pick. The fact that he's still on the roster is against all odds, much less as a contributing factor.

FFS, people are ridiculous.

Page is already a good player. He's THE reason we can stop Gates when we play San Diego. Pollard has already shown strides this year.

But keep hating. Keep grasping at straws to discredit Herm.

Hali has proven that he can't play the run on either side...he just gets destroyed. He is ideally a #3 DE.

Webb has done nothing. Nothing. And hopefully will disappear once Franklin is healthy.

Page and Pollard are ok, but neither are the complete package. And both will be drafted over - a la morgan - until we find better players...imo.

Basically that draft gave us 3 role players. Better than DV, for sure. But not good enough.

2006 Draft for the whole NFL pretty much blows balls.

Hali was getting his ass kicked by the RT in run defense soundly.

He is a role player, at best.

i dont need to do anything to discredit Herm. the fact that this team has gotten worse every year of his tenure discredits him. the fact that we've lost more games in a row than some teams have in their history discredits him. they still can't play the pass. they will still never start on a good defense in the NFL. keep drinking the kool-aide if you want

A guy who gets 7-8 sacks a year is a solid starter in this league. And Gunther was right - he missed five sacks clean last season.

Hali doesn't get enough credit around here.

Its one thing to rebuild. But we can't win games with the way Herm is conducting this offense. This isn't 1950.

i'll make sure we keep lauding him for sacks he didn't make.

by this logic greg wesley and bernard pollard might be the most prolific tacklers in NFL history

A guy who gets his ass run over as a run defnder, and gets 7-8 sacks as a pass rusher is a situational pass rusher.

That would be his role.

But only on the left side, because I don't think he's gotten close enough to the QB this year to be heard by him if he yelled at the top of his lungs.

and Linn Elliot was perfect...by that standard

Tony and Thigpen are gay lovers.

Look, I like Page, good value in the 7th WOAD, but how can you have guy on the field on 1st, and second down that CAN NOT TACKLE. I'm sorry, but that's how you give up 300 on the ground.

Good god.

STHU.

I contend that we could, but only if we were able to dominate at the point of attack. Teams around the league have been winning games for years by running the ball and playing good D. We just do not have the personnel, or haven't matured enough as a team, to dominate at the point of attack, so playing this type of ball gets us nowhere.

The biggest issue I have right now is that our defense is as bad as ever. Gunther should have been fired three years ago. Frankly one of the biggest issues I have with Carl is his addiction to Gunther. He's been ruining this franchise since 1999, with a couple of years gap with GRob taking his place...

If you're counting on your FREE SAFETY to make tackles in the run game, you need to take a HARD look at your front 7.

Bad things happen on defense when you trade away your best defensive player and leader.

Blame the fans .........


typical

We need lots of work on the front seven, but the FS must be able to tackle if the RB gets through.

Did you see him try to tackle Bush?

Dude didn't even put amove on him, just changed direction. That's pitiful, and there are plenty more examples.

Did you see Brian Dawkins Monday night?

He's only a 6 time Pro Bowler, and he looked like ass most of the night.

Jesus Christ, these guys aren't perfect.

beach,

In your opinion, has Herm made any really good draft picks?

People have unrealistic expectations.

And, like I said, they will grasp at ANY straw to discredit Herm. Page was drafted in the 7th round. He was an absolute gem, and he is Antonio Gates' kryptonite. That alone makes him a success as an NFL player.