It's come down to Herm and Carl. Herm is gonna want to start Croyle and take the losses and bumps and bruises and Carl knows that Huard will be more fit to win more games. I don't think Carl would sacrifice having a 5 or less win season just to break in a QB. He's never done that and I don't think it will change. It will be a matter of time before Carl puts his foot down and demand Huard being the starter considering what he did last season.

Croyle wasn't touched on any of his 3 interceptions so far this year.

One he did scramble for his life, did a circus twist and then wung it down the field to that invisible WR.

On his first INT against Cleveland he wasn't touched because he made a hell of a move to get away from pressure.

Don't be disingenuous here.

besides ..... while his interceptions are a problem, they aren't THE problem.

he's young ... he'll make some mistakes


the problem is the complete lack of effectiveness of the offense and whether it will hurt Croyle's development.

I'm am 100% serious when I think ALOT of his mistakes are coming from the fact that he's pressing too hard trying to beat out Huard...

First off, Croyle looks pretty mobile to me. Not like Vick mobile, but he's pretty nimble. He eludes pretty well, and can throw on the run.

Second, I counted about 5 dropped passes and three throwaways. I'm talkin'-hit the guy in the hands and he dropped it-type drops. That makes the stat line ugly, but it's not like he was a wildly inaccurate 5 of 17. He should've been more like 10 of 17. And three out of bounds throws.

just sayin.

I tend to agree with you on this one...

and i guess my point is that Croyle isn't the problem at all. He will get better etc.

i more worry about the rest of the offense ... which i'm not so sure will get much better.

If McIntosh comes back healthy, I think he's a significant upgrade over Svitek.

That alone might be the spark to make the offense considerably better.

But it all hinges on that.

There maybe some truth to that Laz and I believe the lack of a running game is hurting this team big time.

It will be interesting to see what happens next week when LJ comes back but the O-Line needs to block better especially running the ball.

I heard a Herm quote this afternoon saying that teams are going to stack 8-9 in the box to force the Chiefs to throw so the QB is going to have step up and complete some passes and not turn the ball over.

NO, don't start Huard.

Herm is a dumb shit sometimes.. How about calling out the WR's for failing to catch the ball when it hits them in the numbers? Or for failing to get any seperation at all from the DB's....

What ever IT is, you can tell by watching Croyle, he has IT....

All 3 of Croyle's INT were bad decisions it had nothing to do with WR's dropping passes.

Herm said last night that the QB can't block or catch the ball so he isn't laying it all on the QB.

Croyle's first INT was a bad decision, AFTER being chased out of the pocket because the LT couldn't block my grandma.

Croyle's second INT was a bad decision.

Croyle's third INT was an OBVIOUS miscommunication between him and Kennison and it's quite possible Kennison ran the wrong route.

Missed that part.. what just going by what the other guy said...

Sorry...

teams are gonna stack the box because it's martyball-esque


why wouldn't you stack the box if you know the coach lives for run,run,pass,punt.

bingo....

There isnt any great mystery in figuring out Herms offense...

Start Huard and we will average at least 10 fumbles a game.

Marty never destroyed a young QB by playing him, he destroyed them by never allowing them to play.

McIntosh might be better than Svitek, hey he cannot be worse, but I don't believe he is that much better and probably about as bad as Jordan Black was last year. What really is important is that we are not game planning to work around the offensive lines weaknesses. Solari/Herm stink when it comes to offensive game planning.

Black = 13.5 sacks

McIntosh = 5.5 sacks

Yeah, McIntosh isn't much better...

Dude I agree completly with you that Croyle should start, I even feel as passionately as you do but............you have to stop the excuses for him. Just say "yes he is going to make mistakes but he is our best option." The idea that Kennison is sandbagging Croyle is silly, it's also silly to say he's just trying to hard to "win" the job. He's young and raw hes going to make mistakes we as fans just have to ride it out, but you have got to stop with the conspiracy theorys. I am with you on the Croyle bandwagon but lets just face the facts that we don't know as of yet what we have.

Those aren't excuses, they're reasons.

*[whack!]*
Yeah! Smack that ass, smack it!

You really believe Kennison is throwing him under the bus?

Eddie Kennison has been playing for how long? With the Chiefs how long? He could've run the wrong route, but I think it's much more likely Brodie is still learning.

No. I said as much.

Other than Samie Parker, all of the other WR's on the field have been with the team less than 18 months. Are you suggesting that ALL of them ran the wrong routes, and that Brodie just happened to make a mistake but the SAME mistake they made?

There were 3 obvious instances where the QB and WR were on a different page, including the INT. All 3 were with Kennison.

I had a friend at the game last night whos seats were in that area, he called me and asked if on tv it looked like it was Kennison's fault bc he said live it sure did.

Look, I'm not trying to make excuses.

Excuses are made to absolve someone of blame.

There's no absolving Croyle, he's absolutely made mistakes.

But there's a REASON he's making those mistakes, and there's also 10 other guys on the field with him that contribute to said mistakes.

exactly,
just three of the drops are caught and his rating looks better and so does his review from us "critics" Give us on more OL man that can substract - oh - maybe .5 seconds from the pass rush and it looks different.

As far as Kennison purposely trying to make Croyle look bad we will agree to disagree, because I think that is one of the most ridicilous ideas I have ever read on the planet. And that is saying alot.

How the hell does Huard give us a better chance to win? Weak arm and no mobility. Croyle's rifle and mobility is what is needed. I am sure it has been said, but it should get better when LJ is in there.

I agree with that 100% but I don't think any one is making mistakes just to spite Croyle.

Again, I said I DON'T BELIEVE Kennison is purposefully trying to do ANYTHING.

I'm saying it's PECULIAR and nothing more.

I think we should start croyle because there will be more pictures of his wife in the media, and her titties.

I don't really like huard's wife's titties.

I got titties on the brain.

what do printers and terrells women's titties look like?

What he said. I am looking forward to watching Croyle develop.

my ex had huge titties, we could roll those out on the field and they could be out startng left and right tackles.

Correct. He got NO help last night...

This is hilarious and so predictable.

So many of you were so resigned to a rebuilding season, and willing to put up with a shitty record in order to draft higher and build a team.

We haven't even played a single regular season game yet, or a preseason game with our best offensive player.
Now the sky is falling.
You guys asked for it, now you have it.
Losing sucks, I hate it and the rebuilding. Obviously, many of you don't like it either or even understand what it is like to be pathetic.

You rebuilding fans better buck up, it hasn't even started to get ugly or depressing yet.

Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it. But you better be willling to see it through and stick with it.

Who said anything about sandbagging?

:hmmm:

You know, going 9-7 or 10-6 and not winning playoff games suck just as much. At least we are trying something different.

and you completely ........ i mean completely missed the point of the thread.


you are the Jordan Black of thread discussions ......... WHIFF!!!!!!!!!

Honestly, I don't think it matters who is QB. Either way, if it's Croyle or Huard, LJ is gonna dominate once again this year, shitty OL or not. However, I do believe Croyle will get the job. Not only is he going to get the job, he is going to take it and run with it. Bowe is going to make sure of that. Did anybody else see that he was a BEAST last night with the few passes he did catch. It's only a matter of time until him and Croyle get into the flow of things. In the meantime, lets saddle up LJ because we'll be riding him for a few games and everyone out there knows LJ can bust threw any D-Line even with a shitty OL in front of him.

ROFL No tiime to read the whole thread, I am on vacation and ready to head out to dinner. I chose your thread, and a couple others to give my opinion of what I have read on the planet.

If you want to rebuild, stick with Croyle, if you want to win now, play Huard. Pretty simple, was that the thread intent?

:D

no ...... the point of the thread was "is the offense so bad that starting Croyle would do more harm(to Brodie) than good?"


"would waiting until the offense settles down a bit and McIntosh is healthy be a better way of developing Croyle?"

Yeah, you typed up your "opinion" in Notepad and then pasted it in every well-trafficed thread on the subject.

I'll ask you the same question, which nobody seems to want to answer.

Huard gives us a chance to win WHAT?

Games.


I put it in three of what I consider panic threads reflecting the board. I didn't use notepad, just hit ctrl C, then ctrl V. Pretty simple when pressed for time.

OMG! LMAO How is it Huard is a 'winner' in all of his 10 seasons of not being a starting QB?

I have had multiple posts stating this exact point, that he should not start until the home opener. I agree, with the idea of holding him out until he has a CHANCE to succeed..

I highly doubt Kennison ran the wrong route.

Also I remember a play last night where Brodie had all of the time in the world and then he decided to chuck it down the middle of the field. Now that might have been a WR running the wrong route but it was stupid to throw it anyway because the WR was double covered

Huard gives us a chance to avoid permanently scarring our young QB by getting him beat all to hell.


(i'm concerned about Croyle more than the wins this year)

No argument here.

You might want to check his record.

like i said ........ you "jordan black-ed" this thread

ROFL

What games? Regular season games?

If you're talking about playoff games, forget it. Huard isn't that guy.

And frankly, I'm tired of winning regular season games and having nothing to show for it.

And pretty effective when you want to shotgun-spam your opinion across 6 or 7 threads.

FYP

Right. I got no problem with what you're selling.

But don't give me this "Huard gives us a better shot to win" bullshit.

Even Huard's #1 fan (Hootie) acknowledges that he's advocating using Huard as a sacrificial lamb and nothing more.

I am talking about a FULL season.
:rolleyes:

I'm not talking about that throw-away.

I'm talking about blatantly obvious instances where the QB was think "X" route, and the WR was running "Y". They're easy to see.

And all 3 happened to be Kennison.

The problem with the offense is about 2 things.
1. Oline, you can't do anything if they can't block. It's simple as that. You CAN NOT win in this type of Herm Edwards football if you have a shit Oline.

2. Playcalling, our playcalling needs to go more down field and the routes need to better. Then again you HAVE to have pass protection to do this and we have none.

Whether it's Huard or Croyle, the offense needs both of those things listed above. I think we all saw last night what this season can possibly look like. It's the preseason and everything is vanilla. I understand that. But a Saints vanilla game plan just took us back to the woodshed. It's not like these games don't mean anything because they do. They let you know where you are as a team before the reg season starts. Imagine if a full throttle Saints team came in, we'd be down 30 at halftime the way we were playing last night.

Our offense HAS to score points. You CAN NOT win in this league consistently if you don't score points, especially with a mediocre defense like we have.

Huard doesn't have one of those. Not fair!

Hey, don't confuse them with facts...
:)

IMO that wasn't a throw away. I can't remember who the WR was, Hannon maybe, but he turned outside and Croyle threw it right down the middle of the field. If Croyle thinks the best way to throw the ball away is to heave down the middle of the field then he is dumber than shit.

As far your other point I don't pretend to know what routes guys are supposed to run but don't most pro teams use option routes? I don't know if the Chiefs would use those with a rookie QB though but they might.

He is the Lin Eliot of this thread.

He was throwing it away. And yes, it was dumb.

Sure they use option routes, which would AMPLIFY the problem. As it is, I only saw it with Kennison.

[QUOTE=Laz]I have pretty much always been in the Croyle camp. I liked the draft pick ... i loved the value of getting him the 3rd round. imo he has very good upside and potiential. He's smart,mobile,has a great arm and his intangibles are top notch. We should of played him instead of Damon Huard when Trent Green got hurt last year from my point of view.

But .........


If this offense is gonna suck this bad from top to bottom... from game plan to dropped passes then i'm not so sure i want a young QB with such good potiential destroy by the process.


We should let Huard get dropped kicks all over the field until our offense stabilizes some. How about making the change after the bye week against Green Bay? I would be all for just waiting to see what's up with McIntosh.

I'd hate to see another young QB get destroyed by martyesqueball

QUOTE]

Been saying the same thing for weeks...

Maybe gochiefs or somebody can post the video of the INT I would like to see it to confirm what you are seeing.

I can't imagine Eddie running the wrong routes to screw Brodie but who knows.

Then this last game must have changed your mind because you have given me every reason in the book since TC began as to why the Chiefs should start Croyle. I have been selling the same thing as Hootie.

I haven't changed my mind in the slightest. Starting Croyle is the best long-term solution for the team.

As for you and Hootie, have you stopped suggesting that Huard gives us the "best chance to win"?

For the record, I can imagine Eddie running the wrong routes, but I can't imagine him doing it for that reason.

Nope. He does. Croyle has gotten worse as he gets more playing time.

What does he give us a better chance to win?

**** WINNING NINE GAMES AND LOSING IN THE PLAYOFFS.

OMG! Just stop. When does Croyle get a shot? When LJ is washed up? You REALLY need to get off Huard. 34 yrs. old and HAS NEVER STARTED AN ENTIRE SEASON. Jesus...