No, I don't. I think all our tackles (such as they are...) are prototypical inside pressure 4-3 types. I don't think we have a fireplug/block eater.

Maybe so, but I still think he could hold the line as the nose tackle in obvious passing downs. He's strong as an ox and just needs some reps, IMO.

Or Sims and Siavii. Your need size on the line in the 3-4; those three are our biggest/strongest linemen. As has already been mentioned however, they'll need to learn/practice the two-gap system. It's not difficult to learn... just take a bit to learn the footing and how to apply leverage.

browning is about the only 3-4 defensive end we have.

although they have some young guys on the roster now who have the size to play one.

don't know if any are good though :shrug:

Actually, there was some concern the Siavii lacked lower-body strength coming out of college...

One of the reasons Gun was brought in was because the line (particularly Sims and Hicks) supposedly suffered because of Robinson's 2-gap read-and-react system. Gunther was supposed to move Hicks outside and put Sims back in a 1-gap technique to fix all of our problems.

I should have said in my other post -- the only guy that's been reasonably SUCCESSFUL in a 2-gap system is Dalton.

The guy with the prototypical size for NT is Montique Sharpe, but he just doesn't have the skill, apparently.

I totally forgot about Browning. Actually, we could have Browning and Hicks in a 3-4. That might not be too bad. Then who would be the NT? We don't have that many 2-gap players. Dalton is the only 2-gap player. That's what Htismaqe was saying earlier. So if we ran a 3-4, what do you think of having Browning, Dalton, and Hicks as our defensive lineman?

I didn't even realize he was still on the squad.

Anybody can find question marks about any player if they dig hard enough. Just look at Derrick Johnson. Right or wrong, I believe he could become a solid nose tackle.

Hicks might be a problem ... he struggled with outside containment in a 4-3 last year.

i don't know that he has the strength to hold in a 3-4


but your right... that would be the best lineup at the moment

My only problem with that is that Dalton is the only one that really seemed to fit in Gunther's scheme last year.

I like this.I would want Fujita as the extra LB,with his speed and experiance.

Not me. I prefer Fox over Fujita.

Mitchell, Bell, DJ, and Fox.

Why? Fox has never shown anything.

Well, you were countering the "he's not a 2-gap DT" by bringing up his strength. If, in fact, they were right about him being weak in the legs, then he has TWO strikes against him instead of 1 when it comes to playing the NT in a 3-4.

no, *I* fixed it :spock:

-EB-

hey guys Gunther called and he wants his job back....

That’s not all that hard to cure.
Junior, meet Mr. Squat Rack. You two are gonna do a LOT of work together.

Agreed. Fujita couldn't cover over the TE worth a damn last year. At least by throwing Fox in there, we got somebody who is unproven, but, has good coverage ability.

Fox is signed long term. Fujita is on a one-year tender and still sitting out of practice.

And Fujita has shown that he can play OK on a very bad defense. I go for the potential in Fox over what we've seen Fujita bring to the table.

In YOUR opinion he has two strikes against him.
IMO, he could become a solid NT.

ROFL Yea I know, but what else is a Football BB for? :shrug:

I find this whole thing about Keyaron Fox a little mind-boggling. Last year, he didn't play at all. Now, everybody including the coaches are talking like the kid is going to be a starter, and at the very least playing this year. So, why wasn't he playing last year? Why would the Chiefs elect to use Quinton Caver over his a**? I don't get it.

no, no, no...

sims can't move to mlb, that's rich's spot...

now, we do have a need at cb... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

No, not in my opinion. I don't hold the opinion that he's weak in the lower body. I'm merely pointing out that it was a concern of the scouts when he came out of college.

He's not a 3-4 NT, that's a fact. He might be able to learn it, but as of right now, he's a 4-3 NT. You countered that fact by saying that you thought he could overcome it with his strength. I only said that if those scouts were correct and he does lack lower-body strength, it will be HARDER for him to be a 3-4 NT, not easier.

My personal opinion is that I don't know what these guys are capable of, but considering how mightily they struggle with Gunther's base defense, I'm inclined to NOT pile on anything else for them to get confused with.

Freddie Mitchell
:p

Well, he was hurt last year. And he also got in Vermeil's doghouse. We all know how Crybaby handles such things.

i dunno...

i'm kinda worried about that...

the samoan gossip mill doesn't think that junior and mr. squat rack have not spent a lot of time together so far...

apparently, they don't like each other... :( :( :(

True about the injuries. I forgot about that. What did he do to get into Vermeil's doghouse?
:hmmm:

Anything will beat the 0-0 defense we ran last year.

except for i've seen something before about Savaii not staying focused and doing more partying than working out.


could be bull ... but it could be the reason why savaii has yet to show any of the potiential the team raved about when they drafted him.




i still don't see how our defensive line coach still has a job

Cool. I really don't know if he can pull it off or not, but instinct tells me he can. He definitely has the size and strength to man the position. I agree, he could struggle early on as a NT, but I believe with added reps he could become a solid NT. Will it work? I don't know, but I'm hopeful he can make the transition because with our speed at LBer, I think it's a good idea to have the 3-4 package as an option and I see Junior as the long-term candidate for NT.

What are you basing your opinion on?

It's a fact he had weak leg strength coming out of college. It's also a fact he doesn't have much football experience and zero experience with playing NT in a 3-4.

:eek: ROFL

he's strong, but not nfl dt strong, in the lower body...

he got away with being strong (by college standards) and agile when he was in college, but never got into weight training like the dt who played beside him, olshanski or something like that...

now, as he is beginning to learn actual technique, he seems to get pushed around too much on too many plays and then looks real good on others...

i don't think he could play nt in a 3-4, but gun may have other ideas...

btw, don't get me wrong, i'm rooting for junior, big time; i'm just a little concerned about his attitude towards professional football...

Don’t blame him for not liking it, squats is a learned technique and he could easily injure himself if not doing it right.
But this is professional sports, if he can’t handle that he should be gone.

unfortunately, i've heard the same things... :( :( :(

Speaking of coaches, I don't see how our secondary coach has a job
:shake:

Here's a write-up on him...
KEYARON FOX
Position: OLB
Class: Sr
School: Georgia Tech
Conference: ACC
Ht., Wt.: 6'2½, 227
40 Time: 4.61
Grade: 3.76

Selected by Kansas City Chiefs
Round 3, pick 30 (93 overall)
BIO: Three-year starter who led the ACC in tackles last season with 155/18/4, while also breaking up 3 passes. Junior totals were 92/13/3 after 95/8/2 as a sophomore.

POSITIVES: Athletic linebacker who plays with a great amount of explosion. Forceful moving up the field, deceptively strong and adjusts off the initial block. Tremendous range and athleticism; fast sideline-to-sideline, gets depth on pass drops and makes plays in every direction. Quick arriving on the scene, has a closing burst of speed and throws his body around the field. Squares and wraps up tackling.

NEGATIVES: Lacks body control and over pursues the action on occasion. Has difficulty defending the run in the box and better out to the flanks. Hesitant at times.

ANALYSIS: Athletically, Fox is one of the most explosive weak-side linebacker prospects in the draft. His forceful nature coupled with the natural abilities gives him a nice upside for the next level.

PROJECTION: Late Second Round

I would agree with that analysis. The key is... he's a better tackler than Fujita. Fujita has the size and speed for the position, but he attempts too many arm-tackles.

He's got help in Vernon Dean.

For those who were asking, the 1997 "Falcon" defense:

DLE 91 O'NEAL, 97 Parten, 75 McGlockton
NT 71 BARNDT, 99 Holland, 75 McGlockton
DRE 93 BROWNING, 91 O’Neal, 95 Ransom*
FALC 58 D. THOMAS, 77 McDaniels, 98 Hicks*
ILB 56 SIMMONS, 54 Favors*
MLB 59 EDWARDS, 51 Manusky
ROLB 50 DAVIS, 55 George
LCB 34 CARTER, 45 Brooks, 46 R. Williams*
RCB 40 HASTY, 29 McMillian, 44 Warfield*
SS 25 TONGUE, 35 Johnson
FS 21 WOODS, 45 Brooks

That doesn’t sound good.

all true, apparently, from what i've read about him before and after the draft...

now he could develop into a stud, probably in either the 4-3 or the 3-4, if he works at it for a few years, and i hope he does...

Thank you for the insight BigchiefFan. So, from the sounds of it he seems ok. I'll keep my eye out for him in TC, and pre-season.

If Tom Barndt can play nose tackle, Junior definitely can.

After seeing pictures of Siavii at the open practice I am ready to call the rumors of him not working out bullshit. He looked like he was in better shape then last year.

My pleasure. At the open practice, Fox was in with the starting unit and he looked good. He's quick in the back field.

good, really glad to here it


we need savaii and allen to both be at their best physically this year

That was then, this is now. The whole idea of training is to improve and from what I saw of Junior the other day, he looked damn good. He's a beast out there. Probably the biggest guy on the field, but not in a fat-ass type build. He collapsed the pocket on a few plays and looked like he had been working on improving his game and his techniques.

I think he's one of the fastest LBer's on the team. I know he's quicker than Bell. Not as quick as DJ, but, definately one of the fastest. It is really good to hear he can tackle. I know Fujita quite well for missing a lot of tackles, and never completely wrapping up when attempting to make tackles.

Fair enough, but I'm not sure much can be made out of collapsing a pocket without full contact.

Fujita has proven him self to be a solid LB.

I agree, but it does show that he is strong,which is one of the points I've been trying to make.

He has also shown that he is not that good in pass coverage.

He's decent, but he's still injured.

I think I read it here, so you can take it for what it's worth, but apparently there were some fisticuffs in the film room with Monty Beisel.

Hope so.

I would post the picture I saw of him if I could, but I don't know exactly how to do that. Here is a link to the thread over at chiefscoalition that had the picture. The picture is first on the 5th page about 2/3s of the way down:

http://www.chiefscoalition.com/Forum...ic=29524&st=60

I disagree. And i'll give you my reason. First off, i give him credit for his speed. He's very quick, and if he was healthy, I think he's the fastest LBer on our roster right now. However, it ain't all about speed. Fujita's tackling ability is poor. I've seen him so many times attempting to tackle the ball carrier with one arm, instead of attempting to hit the ball carrier, wrap him up, and tackle him to the ground. His instincts are bad, he bikes on fakes, and gets the sheeeiit deeked out of him. I don't like his coverage ability. I think he's a liability in that aspect of his game. I question his aggresiveness from time to time. I never see him play with a mean streak. the only positive attributes I can comment about Fujita's game are his speed and very average tackling ability. He's a backup LB. I think he's gonna lose his job.

Here ya go.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...4208_0_ALB.jpg

Thanks.

No problem.
Definitely doesn’t look fat in that picture.

You can't see his legs in that picture, but he does definately look like he has a lot less blubber up top.

it kinda sucks that Mitchell is our only option right now at MLB (unless Boomer learns quick). We need to have our best talent on the field and there are 4 or 5 other LBs better than Mitchell on our roster. And I like hearing all this rave about Fox, sounds awesome! put him, DJ, Bell our there! If Fujita and Barber get healthy than we are loaded!

Yeah those 4 or 5 guys are so much better then Mitchell that so far they've offered no competition for the MLB position. And Mitchell is so bad that Gun still has Bell at ROLB when everyone on the Planet knows he should be playing MLB..........

PhilFree:arrow:

YES! :drool:

tURN dj LOOSE AND LET HIM RUN WILD AND LAY THE WOOD ON MUTHA FOCKERS.