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TomBarndtsTwin 03-09-2025 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 17989217)
That's why I feel getting Omenihu back on the roster is kind of a big deal. Not that we shouldn't look for and draft one of those guys, I just feel Omenihu's ability to play up and down the line is overlooked.

Depends on the money he’s wanting.

Darius Alexander from Toledo offers you basically the exact same thing on a much cheaper contract. Granted, it’s gonna cost one of those first two picks.

Couch-Potato 03-09-2025 09:31 AM

Wharton > Omenihu IMO

Dunerdr 03-09-2025 10:37 AM

This is completely reeruned unless Brett Veach does it then it’s brilliant.

Chris Meck 03-09-2025 01:14 PM

I guess I misread the OP.

I thought it was saying to take TWO DT's in the first two rounds. I don't know about THAT, but I have been totally zeroed in one ONE DT in the first two rounds. And usually a DE in the other.

Dunerdr 03-10-2025 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 17993373)
I guess I misread the OP.

I thought it was saying to take TWO DT's in the first two rounds. I don't know about THAT, but I have been totally zeroed in one ONE DT in the first two rounds. And usually a DE in the other.

That is exactly what I thought tbh.

DJ's left nut 03-10-2025 07:48 PM

I stand by the idea that we should take a DE and DT in the first 4 picks and honestly I'm pretty sure I want to see us do it in the first TWO.

But we'll see how the board shakes out. Likely to be some real value at CB in there as well. Might be some at TE. Should be at IOL but it would seem we're full up there.

And yeah, developmental OT can be on the table on day 2 as well.

But I really think there's an excellent chance that the BPA for those first two pick is gonna be on the DL.

If we end up with 2 DL, a CB, another developmental OT and a RB with our first 5 picks, I feel like I'll be a pretty happy camper.

But I just don't see this team suddenly deciding that DT is a high value proposition in the draft.

smithandrew051 03-10-2025 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17995373)
But I just don't see this team suddenly deciding that DT is a high value proposition in the draft.

How much of that is just the team relying on Jones for the last several years though?

It didn’t seem like Veach wanted to draft LBs until he took Gay, Bolton, and Chenal in consecutive drafts.

We also didn’t think he’d draft CBs early, but then took McDuffie and 3 more in the same draft.

With such a strong DL class and Jones with just a couple years left, this seems like the stars are aligning.

DJ's left nut 03-11-2025 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17995409)
How much of that is just the team relying on Jones for the last several years though?

It didn’t seem like Veach wanted to draft LBs until he took Gay, Bolton, and Chenal in consecutive drafts.

We also didn’t think he’d draft CBs early, but then took McDuffie and 3 more in the same draft.

With such a strong DL class and Jones with just a couple years left, this seems like the stars are aligning.

Remember how good the pass rush looked against Pittsburgh without Jones?

I think it's because they changed their pass rush plan. And ultimately I don't think Spags would have a problem doing it again. Rather than use the ends to hold some contain and allow Jones to try to split/crush the pocket, they pivoted to a more 'conventional' form of pass rush with the DTs holding the line and the DEs getting after it.

I see it as similar to the idea of 'replacing' Kelce -- they just won't. They'll change the offense to work through its WRs instead of its TE.

I could very easily see the Chiefs, as Jones ages out, simply changing the nature of their pass rush.

But this draft could say a lot there. If they pass on a 1st/2nd day DT yet again, that tells me that their plan for life after Chris Jones is just not going to go through the interior pass rush.

smithandrew051 03-11-2025 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17995731)
Remember how good the pass rush looked against Pittsburgh without Jones?

I think it's because they changed their pass rush plan. And ultimately I don't think Spags would have a problem doing it again. Rather than use the ends to hold some contain and allow Jones to try to split/crush the pocket, they pivoted to a more 'conventional' form of pass rush with the DTs holding the line and the DEs getting after it.

I see it as similar to the idea of 'replacing' Kelce -- they just won't. They'll change the offense to work through its WRs instead of its TE.

I could very easily see the Chiefs, as Jones ages out, simply changing the nature of their pass rush.

But this draft could say a lot there. If they pass on a 1st/2nd day DT yet again, that tells me that their plan for life after Chris Jones is just not going to go through the interior pass rush.

Chiefs just got the DB they needed, so the real pressing needs are basically taken care of.

Aside from DL and RB, of course.

They have a great opportunity to load up the DL and add a dynamic back. They need to do it.

And none of that stops them from taking an OL prospect or pass catcher who falls to them as BPA.

RunKC 03-11-2025 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17995373)
I stand by the idea that we should take a DE and DT in the first 4 picks and honestly I'm pretty sure I want to see us do it in the first TWO.

But we'll see how the board shakes out. Likely to be some real value at CB in there as well. Might be some at TE. Should be at IOL but it would seem we're full up there.

And yeah, developmental OT can be on the table on day 2 as well.

But I really think there's an excellent chance that the BPA for those first two pick is gonna be on the DL.

If we end up with 2 DL, a CB, another developmental OT and a RB with our first 5 picks, I feel like I'll be a pretty happy camper.

But I just don't see this team suddenly deciding that DT is a high value proposition in the draft.

I am extremely confident today that our 1st rd pick is gonna be a DL. And I don’t think they care that people know bc there’s just so ****ing many of them that one should be there.

Said this in another thread, but I’m also becoming more confident that 63 or 66 (or a trade up from 63) is gonna be for a weapon, most likely a RB.

The 66th pick would be so so good to add another DL though. The value there is gonna be really good.

DJ's left nut 03-11-2025 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17995900)
I am extremely confident today that our 1st rd pick is gonna be a DL. And I don’t think they care that people know bc there’s just so ****ing many of them that one should be there.

Said this in another thread, but I’m also becoming more confident that 63 or 66 (or a trade up from 63) is gonna be for a weapon, most likely a RB.

The 66th pick would be so so good to add another DL though. The value there is gonna be really good.

Wouldn't be shocked to see them move back out of the 2nd to recapture day 3 draft capital. With the Titans 3rd, they're coming up again pretty quickly.

Maybe there's someone they can't risk losing at that spot so they'll take him and trade down with the 3. But I can see them using those two picks in some fashion to build up 3rd day capital. I just can't see them going without picks for two rounds.

RunKC 03-12-2025 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17996161)
Wouldn't be shocked to see them move back out of the 2nd to recapture day 3 draft capital. With the Titans 3rd, they're coming up again pretty quickly.

Maybe there's someone they can't risk losing at that spot so they'll take him and trade down with the 3. But I can see them using those two picks in some fashion to build up 3rd day capital. I just can't see them going without picks for two rounds.

I brought this up as an option for trading down from pick 66. Only issue is I think Veach’s nature is not to trade down. To my knowledge he’s only done it one time (Skyy Moore).

I have a feeling Veach is gonna use that Sneed pick to bargain a deal for a move up to get his favorite DL.

I posted an example yesterday of 31 and 66 for 24 and 97 pick swap with Minnesota which according to the draft chart is fair.

Feels like that’s a Veach move bc he’ll get a guy he thinks is a legit blue chip player and still keep a 3rd rd pick in a super deep draft class

Dunerdr 03-13-2025 08:32 AM

With the comp picks awarded I think it’s more likely he moves up in the middle somewhere and still gets plenty of stabs at the draft. Sits just his nature at this point lol.

Couch-Potato 03-19-2025 11:26 PM

Advanced Stats: "Pass rush win rates for this edge class in actual dropback pass situations (no screen, RPO, or PA), as well as pressure allowed rates for this tackle class in the exact same scenario.”

https://bsky.app/profile/brettkollma.../3lkqrgfsfle2h

*Not DT, but figured I’d post here

JPH83 03-20-2025 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 18004006)
Advanced Stats: "Pass rush win rates for this edge class in actual dropback pass situations (no screen, RPO, or PA), as well as pressure allowed rates for this tackle class in the exact same scenario.”

https://bsky.app/profile/brettkollma.../3lkqrgfsfle2h

*Not DT, but figured I’d post here

Very interesting. Said before I really like Josaiah Stewart, but I see no chance we pick a guy like that, sadly. Swinson is a guy who I really like but only really recently checked out. I also like Ashton Gillotte.

Guys I don't particularly like at all are Landon Jackson, Kennard, Ivey and Princely.


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