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JohnnyHammersticks 03-20-2023 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 16865678)
Can you summarize?

It's 16 minutes long.

First ~2½ mins unrelated to Chiefs, talks about some gambling club or something, I skimmed over it.

Bases his entire opinion on Brown and Taylor on PFF grades. Immediately acknowledges PFF's shortcomings, but says it's the only thing out there to rate o-linemen. No tape of Taylor showing the wide gap in terms of athleticism, but acknowledges that OBJr had one of the worst combine showings ever and backs it up with his combine tape.

His conclusion is that losing OBJr could have more of an impact then losing Tyreek because according to him, keeping Mahomes upright is more important. Says this swap of OTs is okay if Taylor plays RT, not okay if he plays LT. Didn't seem to indicate that he had really watched Taylor play or studied any tape of him to reach these conclusions, based his opinion on PFF's grades.

Thinks the Chiefs won't go into next season with MVS and Justyn Ross as their top WRs. Didn't mention Toney or Moore.

L.A. Chieffan 03-20-2023 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 16865762)
For Offensive Linemen? I'm all ears on what other metric there is?

Let me ask you this. How did Taylor obtain a 58.7 and Brown obtain a 75.8?

The Franchise 03-20-2023 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks (Post 16865778)
First ~2½ mins unrelated to Chiefs, talks about some gambling club or something, I skimmed over it.

Bases his entire opinion on Brown and Taylor on PFF grades. Immediately acknowledges PFF's shortcomings, but says it's the only thing out there to rate o-linemen. No tape of Taylor showing the wide gap in terms of athleticism, but acknowledges that OBJr had one of the worst combine showings ever and backs it up with his combine tape.

His conclusion is that losing OBJr could have more of an impact then losing Tyreek because according to him, keeping Mahomes upright is more important. Says this swap of OTs is okay if Taylor plays RT, not okay if he plays LT. Didn't seem to indicate that he had really watched Taylor play or studied any tape of him to reach these conclusions, based his opinion on PFF's grades.

Thinks the Chiefs won't go into next season with MVS and Justyn Ross as their top WRs. Didn't mention Toney or Moore.

What in the actual ****? This dude is an idiot then.

DenverChief 03-20-2023 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan (Post 16865781)
Let me ask you this. How did Taylor obtain a 58.7 and Brown obtain a 75.8?

PFF pixie dust - I don't claim to understand how PFF works.

DenverChief 03-20-2023 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16865785)
What in the actual ****? This dude is an idiot then.

You don't think Mahomes having a solid O-Line is key? Especially after watching the Bucs/Chiefs SB?

The Franchise 03-20-2023 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 16865810)
You don't think Mahomes having a solid O-Line is key? Especially after watching the Bucs/Chiefs SB?

Dude....the guy literally said that Taylor isn't a LT but is purely basing that off of PFF grades and not watching him play. Then goes on to say that our top WRs are MVS and Justyn ****ing Ross. This dude is an idiot.

DenverChief 03-20-2023 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16865812)
Dude....the guy literally said that Taylor isn't a LT but is purely basing that off of PFF grades and not watching him play. Then goes on to say that our top WRs are MVS and Justyn ****ing Ross. This dude is an idiot.

I think he was being sarcastic about the WR's - but IDK - I have watched a few of his videos and thats kinda his MO. But aren't PFF grades based upon someone studying film?

The Franchise 03-20-2023 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 16865823)
I think he was being sarcastic about the WR's - but IDK - I have watched a few of his videos and thats kinda his MO. But aren't PFF grades based upon someone studying film?

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-how-we-...ensive-linemen

stumppy 03-20-2023 10:32 AM

3 minutes in and he starts his off by bringing up Mahomes brother and his wife.

Pass, looks like he's all about the clicks.

L.A. Chieffan 03-20-2023 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16865829)

Brutal. That article reads like it's from the Onion. Pixie dust indeed

chiefzilla1501 03-20-2023 10:33 AM

Btw, when it comes to DHop, wouldn’t that move happen after June 1? Isn’t that when a deal becomes advantageous to Arizona?

JohnnyHammersticks 03-20-2023 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 16865823)
I think he was being sarcastic about the WR's - but IDK - I have watched a few of his videos and thats kinda his MO. But aren't PFF grades based upon someone studying film?

First of all, I enjoyed it because I enjoy listening to almost anyone other than Skippy talk about our favorite team. So I'm in no way busting balls.

Theoretically yes, PFF grades are based upon someone studying film. However this guy didn't seem to indicate that he knew much about Taylor other than his PFF grades, which was likely the case for a lot of people when these deals went down. IMO he would've had a much more favorable opinion of Taylor if he had seen the difference in athleticism that would've come from watching some tape on the guy. He knows OBJr's athleticism isn't good, but didn't acknowledge the difference in said athleticism between Brown and Taylor.

dlphg9 03-20-2023 10:36 AM

Umm wtf was the point of this and who the **** cares what this random ass dude on YouTube has to say?

Warpaint69 03-20-2023 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks (Post 16865855)
First of all, I enjoyed it because I enjoy listening to almost anyone other than Skippy talk about our favorite team. So I'm in no way busting balls.

Theoretically yes, PFF grades are based upon someone studying film. However this guy didn't seem to indicate that he knew much about Taylor other than his PFF grades, which was likely the case for a lot of people when these deals went down. IMO he would've had a much more favorable opinion of Taylor if he had seen the difference in athleticism that would've come from watching some tape on the guy. He knows OBJr's athleticism isn't good, but didn't acknowledge the difference in said athleticism between Brown and Taylor.

Which is just pure laziness when putting out content. It would take all of a few seconds of watching both players film to identify the differences in the ability and approach to playing the tackle position.

DenverChief 03-20-2023 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 16865854)
Btw, when it comes to DHop, wouldn’t that move happen after June 1? Isn’t that when a deal becomes advantageous to Arizona?

Good Question


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