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petegz28 08-02-2018 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13655733)
They gave up 22 points in a playoff game and lost. Gave up 18 to the Steelers at home, lost. 27 on the road in New England. Lost.
I never said the offense was without blame. But the fact is the offense put the defense in great position twice in the playoffs and they choked.

And the Steelers game, yeah 18 points. What was the average ToP for the Steelers that game?

O.city 08-02-2018 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 13655729)
Why does the D get to enjoy regular season metrics to get the label of 'pretty damn good,' but the O gets the playoff metrics of a 'complete waste of time and talent?'
I'm not sure I've ever brought that up or addressed it that way?

petegz28 08-02-2018 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by loochy (Post 13655739)
No, it's not Vermiel 2.0

They're actually TRYING to address defensive problems

and the overall talent level is much higher

Will the D be great? No. But it won't be Bartee and Warfield back there either.
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I think Vermeil "tried". I am not saying they are shooting for Vermeil style team either. Just questioning if that is what we are heading for at the moment, regardless of intent by the front office\coahces, etc.?

O.city 08-02-2018 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 13655744)
I never said the offense was without blame. But the fact is the offense put the defense in great position twice in the playoffs and they choked.

And the Steelers game, yeah 18 points. What was the average ToP for the Steelers that game?
I don't remember seeing TOP on the scoreboard at the end of the game.

In the end, they held the Steeler offense to field goals and 18 points. You've gotta win that game.

petegz28 08-02-2018 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13655742)
Actually, it kind of does. Against great teams, unless you have a great defense, it's tough to consistently get stops without turnovers.
Great teams get stops and turnovers. They shut down the run, not hope for a fumble. They shut down the pass, not hope for an overthrown INT.

petegz28 08-02-2018 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13655753)
I don't remember seeing TOP on the scoreboard at the end of the game.

In the end, they held the Steeler offense to field goals and 18 points. You've gotta win that game.
Yeah, cause the Steelers putting together long, time-consuming drives had nothing to do with that game.

O.city 08-02-2018 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 13655755)
Great teams get stops and turnovers. They shut down the run, not hope for a fumble. They shut down the pass, not hope for an overthrown INT.
The Chiefs haven't just hoped for them though. They've actually gotten them.

Bowser 08-02-2018 09:19 AM
I'll take 10% less of a Vermeil led offense if we can get 50% more than a Vermeil led defense. That might work.

O.city 08-02-2018 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 13655756)
Yeah, cause the Steelers putting together long, time-consuming drives had nothing to do with that game.
Ok, sure?

Once they held them to field goals they got the ball to the offense which shit everywhere.

Simply Red 08-02-2018 09:22 AM
we'll be fine.

petegz28 08-02-2018 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13655761)
Ok, sure?

Once they held them to field goals they got the ball to the offense which shit everywhere.
I'll sum up the defense and Bob Sutton in the Steelers game real easy for you....


Justin Houston (top pass rusher in the league) covering Antonio Brown (top WR in the league) 50+ yards downfield....

Then when the game was absolutely on the line on 3rd down....Justin Houston is yet again covering Antonio Brown instead of rushing the QB


Bob Sutton....

Baby Lee 08-02-2018 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13655761)
Ok, sure?

Once they held them to field goals they got the ball to the offense which shit everywhere.
They didn't hold them to FGs, stupid playcalling and abysmal execution by Roethlisberger gifted them FGs.

They consistently, almost inexorably, marched untouched from 20 to 20, and stalled on three horrid passes once in easy FG range.

petegz28 08-02-2018 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 13655760)
I'll take 10% less of a Vermeil led offense if we can get 50% more than a Vermeil led defense. That might work.
Probably would. Just think if we forced 1 or 2 punts in the Indy game?

O.city 08-02-2018 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 13655772)
I'll sum up the defense and Bob Sutton in the Steelers game real easy for you....


Justin Houston (top pass rusher in the league) covering Antonio Brown (top WR in the league) 50+ yards downfield....

Then when the game was absolutely on the line on 3rd down....Justin Houston is yet again covering Antonio Brown instead of rushing the QB


Bob Sutton....
18 points. That offense, scored 18 points.

If my defense gives up 18 points at home, in a playoff game, I don't care what happens, you should win. That games on Andy and the offense.

RealSNR 08-02-2018 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 13655729)
Why does the D get to enjoy regular season metrics to get the label of 'pretty damn good,' but the O gets the playoff metrics of a 'complete waste of time and talent?'
All defenses eventually suck ass in the playoffs.

Look at the Super Bowl. Look at the Vikings. The mighty Jaguars gave up a ****ton of points to the Steelers.


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