The only way this team will go to the SB is if they buy the tickets

oooo ouch

You have a point with the Ravens, but not with the other three. The Pats have Brady; it doesn't seem to matter what slapdick they trot out as a WR. The Broncos had Thomas and Sanders which still made a punchless Manning effective, the Hawks had one SB appearance with Golden Tate and Doug Baldwin and had the other with Baldwin and Kearse.

Conley and Hill aren't on the level of four of the five receivers mentioned above. Hill has a decent likelihood of proving better than Kearse in the short term (this season and the next; Kearse became a 500 yard type of guy in his third season) and the others in the longer run.

Conley might look like a bonafide #2 receiver that starts on a dozen or more other teams, but I think it's homerism to immediately assume this is the case.

Being honest here:

-They got worse at WR losing Maclin.
Maclin>Conley
-They got better at DL
Logan>Poe as a run defender
-They got MUCH better at QB overall, depth wise
Mahomes>Foles
-They got MUCH better at ILB overall, depth wide
KPL=DJ on ST's, better at ILB
Ragland>JML, T. Smith & Mauga
Eligwe>JML, T. Smith & Mauga
-They got better at OLB overall, depth wise
Tanoh>Zombo....be honest Zombo sucks
-They got MUCH better at RB
Hunt>West,K. Davis

They are getting key guys like Houston and Bailey back so that's TBD.

Chiefs probably have the 3rd best team overall in the AFC as they took a completely broken defense and were kept PIT to the wire. They are a bit ahead of right now.
NE is the best by a wide margin this year.

I really think we just need to get another solid CB and WR next offseason while keeping this team intact and we'll be rolling with Mahomes.

So, with two viable receiving threats? Isn't that what your bagging on the Chiefs for?

I still believe that Conley is the one player on offense that would benefit the most from Mahomes.

He's tall, has great hands, has an elite vertical and elite caliber straight line speed.

That's a perfect fit for Mahomes.

Mahomes won't play enough for that to matter.

You complained that Hill and Kelce are the only viable threats, then gave the Seahawks credit for Baldwin and Kearse. Seems off to me. Sorry, I stopped reading after the first paragraph.

I also think people overstate Maclin's actual value.

I don't think we lost much if anything there. He was a non-factor all year. I'd rather throw ball to kids who cann turn in to something.

I think Conley is kind of a tease. People always expect more out of him because he's bright, he's big, he's fast, and he can jump.

But at no point in college or as an NFL player has he really shown any sort of ability to leverage those skills for consistent success.

I think Mahomes is the type of QB who can elevate the WRs around him, but just not sure how much Conley can be elevated.


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When you have a qb who throws 15 td's a season it doesn't really matter!

DT and Sanders > Kelce and Hill

If their stars stay healthy and show up, sure

Well Conley's vertical jump at the combine was 45 inches, so I think he can be elevated almost 4 feet.

seahawks had golden tate, and baldwin -- both had more yards than zach miller

ravens had boldin, torrey smith who actually both had more yards than pitta

in the pats case, edelman was the clear leader (1100ish yds) and while a TE was second (700 yds) a WR was a close 3rd (hogan 680 yards)

But brady threw about 2500 yards to WRs.....he just spread the ball out more

so I do think that all of those teams had more receiving threats than we do..

Its pretty clear our biggest every down threat is Kelce , which doesn't bode well for WR once again for us this year. I like hill, dont get me wrong..I just am gonna wait and see if the kid can hold his own for a hole season before I will be confident in him as a number one type guy.

If we didnt have smith at QB, of course things might be different...