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kccrow 11-16-2014 01:34 PM

If Dorsey continues his trend, I'd expect a replacements for Bowe and Sean Smith very early in this draft. He seems to like to be ready for expiring contracts or expected big money cuts.

DaneMcCloud 11-16-2014 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 11115506)
If Dorsey continues his trend, I'd expect a replacements for Bowe and Sean Smith very early in this draft. He seems to like to be ready for expiring contracts or expected big money cuts.

With two full drafts under Dorsey, it's crystal clear that he chooses the best available athlete/player in each slot and does not "target" specific positions.

RunKC 11-16-2014 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11117927)
With two full drafts under Dorsey, it's crystal clear that he chooses the best available athlete/player in each slot and does not "target" specific positions.

Yeah I bet with Albert being injury prone , our D falling apart last year due to Tamba/Houston injuries and Houston/Tamba's contract structure, those picks were just coincidence.

I'm sure it was also "coincidence" that when Dorsey was GB's director of football operations in 2012, and had heavy influence in the draft, his mentors in GB drafted defense all 6 picks in the first 5 rds.
Ever think it wasn't BPA and maybe bc they were dead last in the NFL on defense in 2011?

BPA my ass. Crow is right.

DaneMcCloud 11-16-2014 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 11118395)
BPA my ass. Crow is right.

Nonsense.

So who was the best choice for #1 overall in 2013? Who was the best choice in 2014?

Personally, I thought that Ford was a phenomenal choice. The only other player that I wanted more than Ford was Ryan Shazier but he went earlier in the draft.

Furthermore, Albert only missed seven games out of a possible 81 games. That's far from "injury prone".

RunKC 11-16-2014 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11118476)
Nonsense.

So who was the best choice for #1 overall in 2013? Who was the best choice in 2014?

Personally, I thought that Ford was a phenomenal choice. The only other player that I wanted more than Ford was Ryan Shazier but he went earlier in the draft.

Furthermore, Albert only missed seven games out of a possible 81 games. That's far from "injury prone".

Albert had a lot of in-game injuries where he had to come off the field. It happened a lot. And look what it led to this year?

DaneMcCloud 11-16-2014 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 11118568)
Albert had a lot of in-game injuries where he had to come off the field. It happened a lot. And look what it led to this year?

It doesn't matter what happened in Miami.

How can you make the case that Dorsey doesn't choose the best available athlete? I've seen the negative nonsense that's been going on in this forum with the "Fire Dorsey" and "Dorsey Sucks" posts and threads. Silly. Crazy. Outright dumb.

Kelce, Knile Davis, Johnson, Commings, Kush and Catapano were the best players available. The Chiefs didn't "need" another running back, they didn't "need" another safety, they didn't "need" another DE with Jackson, Bailey, DeVito, etc. nor did they "need" a center with a healthy Rodney Hudson.

I don't care what anyone says, Ford was the best available athlete at 23, Gaines was a BPA (they had Cooper, Parker, Owens & Smith), DAT should have gone a full round earlier and was CERTAINLY the BPA. Aaron Murry? No brainer. Zach Fulton and LDT were the BPA's, especially since Roke Watkins and Rishaw Johnson played well and they had signed Linkenbach.

DrRyan 11-16-2014 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11118476)
Nonsense.

So who was the best choice for #1 overall in 2013? Who was the best choice in 2014?

Personally, I thought that Ford was a phenomenal choice. The only other player that I wanted more than Ford was Ryan Shazier but he went earlier in the draft.

Furthermore, Albert only missed seven games out of a possible 81 games. That's far from "injury prone".

Kelvin Benjamin. End of story. Ford is hardly even seeing the field. He may turn out to be great but I'm not holding my breath. Dennard, Buchanan and Verrett would all appear to be better athletes are you asked in the next post. Ford the best athlete because of a quick first step and little else at this point? Really?

Edit: as far as 2013, I probably would have went with Ansah, Star L, Richardson or Jordan (who hasn't shown much f anything yet).

DaneMcCloud 11-16-2014 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DrRyan (Post 11118917)
Kelvin Benjamin. End of story. Ford is hardly even seeing the field. He may turn out to be great but I'm not holding my breath. Dennard, Buchanan and Verrett would all appear to be better athletes are you asked in the next post. Ford the best athlete because of a quick first step and little else at this point? Really?

Edit: as far as 2013, I probably would have went with Ansah, Star L, Richardson or Jordan (who hasn't shown much f anything yet).

Nonsense.

Kelvin Benjamin had questions about his character before the draft. He had a reputation for taking plays off. He also recently admitted that he "tanked" his 40 time at the Combine in order to go to a better team.

No thanks.

O.city 11-16-2014 07:29 PM

Pretty sure he was joking in an impromptu interview about that tanking stuff.

kccrow 11-16-2014 08:06 PM

Pretty sure most of the people in this section of the forum know I was pushing HARD for Jordan Matthews at WR.

Matthews has 44 catches for 558 yards and 6 TDs, including back-to-back 100+ yard games and a TD in 3 straight. He's turning into a go-to option.

My secondary option was Jimmie Ward who was playing okay in the nickle for SF until he injured his foot and is out for the year.

Dee Ford was the one player I absolutely did not want and here we have him. One can hope he somehow learns to play run defense before next season, but I'm not on board with that pick until he shows me something.

In any event, what tells me Dorsey does not pick Best Player Available in my mind is that I would have (and many others) considered Darqueze Dennard, Bradely Roby, Xavier S'ua Filo, Joel Bitonio, Ra'Shede Hageman, Marqise Lee, Jeremiah Attaochu, Devante Adams, Donte Moncrief, and a few others all better players than Ford. How all those have faired so far I haven't checked.

DaneMcCloud 11-16-2014 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11119112)
Pretty sure he was joking in an impromptu interview about that tanking stuff.

I'm pretty sure he wasn't.

DaneMcCloud 11-16-2014 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 11119313)

In any event, what tells me Dorsey does not pick Best Player Available in my mind is that I would have (and many others) considered Darqueze Dennard, Bradely Roby, Xavier S'ua Filo, Joel Bitonio, Ra'Shede Hageman, Marqise Lee, Jeremiah Attaochu, Devante Adams, Donte Moncrief, and a few others all better players than Ford. How all those have faired so far I haven't checked.

And I'm pretty sure you don't understand a stinking thing.

Dennard has short arms. Gaines was the better selection and two rounds deeper. I'll take Gaines over Roby, too. Bitonio? In the first? Ha!

Hageman had character issues, Moncrief over Gaines? Ha! Attaochu in the first? Are you smoking crack?

Good god, really?

:facepalm:

OldSchool 11-16-2014 08:33 PM

In other news, Mike Evans is even more of a monster.

DaneMcCloud 11-16-2014 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 11119440)
In other news, Mike Evans is even more of a monster.

Just imagine if he had a real QB

kccrow 11-16-2014 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11119372)
And I'm pretty sure you don't understand a stinking thing.

Dennard has short arms. Gaines was the better selection and two rounds deeper. I'll take Gaines over Roby, too. Bitonio? In the first? Ha!

Hageman had character issues, Moncrief over Gaines? Ha! Attaochu in the first? Are you smoking crack?

Good god, really?

:facepalm:

The only thing you understand is how to talk out of your ****ing ass like a champ.

I said they were better players, not first ****ing round picks. I didn't have Ford rated in the top 2 rounds. He sucks. He sucks hard ****ing balls. He still sucks. He still can't defend the run. He's still a pussy with a big mouth. Until he proves otherwise, that's all he'll ever be.

My target players were Cooks, Matthews, Ward, in that order in round 1.

I actually had Gaines in several of my mocks. I thought he wouldn't last until round 3 and ended up taking him out towards the end.

Go on thinking about Dorsey's crystal ball, or whatever the **** you think it is. All ****ing NFL teams use analytics for everything they do. If you think Dorsey is breaking some kind of ****ing ground, more power to you.


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