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beach tribe 03-06-2014 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by T-post Tom (Post 10470149)
I posted this in a draft thread, but here is my guess on some of what the Chiefs are likely to do this off-season. (Not saying this would be my choice necessarily: just a prediction of what the Chiefs might do.)

1. Sign Golden Tate as their #2 WR.
2. Keep Jenkins.
3. Drop Avery.
4. Draft a WR in the later rounds.
5. Prediction of what their draft board will look like when the 23rd pick comes up. (Assuming many, many things. Including that they don't trade down/up; or land a top flight FS in FA.)

----- a. Calvin Pryor
----- b. Kona Ealy
----- c. Louis Nix
----- d. Ryan Shazier




Why would we drop Avery

Discuss Thrower 03-06-2014 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10469796)
HAVE YOU READ THAT PIECE IN THE TIMES

I saw that in Gothamist.

Bob Dole 03-06-2014 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 10470177)
Why would we drop Avery

Exactly. Going back to horizontal, what WR in a late round would be an obvious bet to beat out Avery for a roster spot?

beach tribe 03-06-2014 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dole (Post 10470192)
Exactly. Going back to horizontal, what WR in a late round would be an obvious bet to beat out Avery for a roster spot?

Highly doubtful.

Our WR corps is too thin to drop a proven commodity.

T-post Tom 03-06-2014 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 10470177)
Why would we drop Avery

Avery's production does not merit his cap #. His salary for '14 is about 3X that of Jenkins and they're both similar types of receivers. (Speed) It goes up quite a bit more for 2015. Bowe's contract is uber inflated and there's only so much $ you can allocate at a specific position. Dumping Avery gives them extra money to go after a sure handed young receiver that has gotten better every year (Tate). All speculation of course, but the logic is valid.

T-post Tom 03-06-2014 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dole (Post 10470192)
Exactly. Going back to horizontal, what WR in a late round would be an obvious bet to beat out Avery for a roster spot?

Reread the post: Golden Tate

T-post Tom 03-06-2014 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 10470236)
Highly doubtful.

Our WR corps is too thin to drop a proven commodity.

2 touchdowns and less than 600 yards? And almost 3X the salary as Jenkins? :hmmm:

planetdoc 03-06-2014 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by article
New England has picked seven times in each of the last two NFL Drafts. Compare to Seattle, which drafted 11 times in 2013 and ten times in 2012. It's a different approach, and Schneider (and all of the Wolf tree of GMs) believes in building in some insurance for players that they miss on by drafting in volume.

chiefs have 6 picks. Last yr the chiefs made player for player trades with Jenkins and Sherman. They gave up 2 second round picks for Smith. Then Dorsey tried to gain a better 2014 late pick by trading a 7th and Edgar Jones for a 6th.

Chiefs had a 7 player draft class in 2013, but also had the advantage of being the first in the waiver wire (which is like having a bunch of extra late picks). Chiefs don't have that benefit this yr. They need more picks to take advantage of this deep draft class, and reduce risk.

As for Free Agency

I only expect to see the chiefs pursue CUT players. Chiefs will likely get 2015 comp picks for Albert, Schwartz, and Asamooah leaving. They might even get lucky with something for Mcluster. Signing FREE AGENTS can negate comp picks, while CUT players wont. The team might as well use that salary cap space on signing Alex Smith, Houston, and Berry long term.

OldSchool 03-06-2014 03:43 PM

So, in other words. We draft like how many of us have been saying. BPA at position of need. Nothing really new to see here.

Dante84 03-06-2014 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10470573)
So, in other words. We draft like how many of us have been saying. BPA at position of need. Nothing really new to see here.

If you need it watered down, yes. There's a lot more in there, though, outside of what I posted in the OP.

Specifically, I like how we are not only looking at the areas that need to be upgraded, but also weighing those prospects against our current roster.

htismaqe 03-06-2014 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 10470029)
Shitty draft. Simple as that.

So they just suck at the draft then?

beach tribe 03-06-2014 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10470663)
So they just suck at the draft then?

You think it's a little early to determine the overall value of last years draft, or no?

htismaqe 03-06-2014 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 10470680)
You think it's a little early to determine the overall value of last years draft, or no?

Everybody is offering the overall value of last year's draft as an excuse for drafting Fisher when he showed on the field he wasn't BPA and didn't fill a position of need.

So is it too early or not?

Got some flawed logic going on up in here.

saphojunkie 03-06-2014 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10470687)
Everybody is offering the overall value of last year's draft as an excuse for drafting Fisher when he showed on the field he wasn't BPA and didn't fill a position of need.

So is it too early or not?

Got some flawed logic going on up in here.

Don't be a vagina. The book isn't written on ANY of the draft picks from last year, including Fisher.

htismaqe 03-06-2014 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 10470698)
Don't be a vagina. The book isn't written on ANY of the draft picks from last year, including Fisher.

The article talks specifically, as do several people in this thread, about Dorsey's school of thought on the draft.

The article contends that he uses a BPA scheme, weighted by position of need.

Fisher doesn't fit either of those. His play on the field bears out that he wasn't the BPA, and the fact that he couldn't even secure a starting spot full time says he didn't fill a position of need.

It was a panic pick because the draft sucked, nothing more, nothing less. Dorsey isn't infallible, and his "draft strategy" isn't revolutionary.


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