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Bump 09-10-2012 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 8898052)
3-4 2 gap system


the Dline is NEVER going to look impactful unless you get lucky and grab a Reggie White.

the scheme is meant to unleash the linebackers

it's also meant to blitz

but this team has been built around the d-line. That's the franchise right now.

Ask yourself this question. Do you see any noticable difference in how our defense performs when our backups are in on the d-line? the backups that were street free agents or late round picks?

mcaj22 09-10-2012 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 8898073)
We have two probowl LB's.

BOTH WERE HURT.

no. ONE WAS HURT

one was SUSPENDED AND IS FULLY HEALTHY AND FAT SCOTT DID NOTHING FROM A DEPTH PERSPECTIVE TO EVEN ADDRESS THAT NEED and the **** probably knew all summer that this was going to happen

Black Bob 09-10-2012 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Bump (Post 8898074)
but this team has been built around the d-line. That's the franchise right now.

Ask yourself this question. Do you see any noticable difference in how our defense performs when our backups are in on the d-line? the backups that were street free agents or late round picks?

The d-line was better yesterday than it was with Kelly Gregg. I thought the d-line looked better than ever yesterday. Tyson Jackson looked nasty for the first time.

Also, NT is far and away the most important position in the 3-4 defense and we have never really had one until this year.

Look at the Giants. They were built around the d-line. The pats d-lines were great when they won Superbowls. The steelers had good d-lines. The colts had a great d-line. Having a good d-line is a piece to the puzzle.

Rausch 09-10-2012 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 8898082)
no. ONE WAS HURT

one was SUSPENDED AND IS FULLY HEALTHY AND FAT SCOTT DID NOTHING FROM A DEPTH PERSPECTIVE TO EVEN ADDRESS THAT NEED and the **** probably knew all summer that this was going to happen

Hali will miss one game.

Our secondary needed the most help. We didn't address it at because of that it completely neutered our defense.

mcaj22 09-10-2012 11:42 AM

we still dont have a NT

which is why Glenn Dorsey even had to take snaps at NT yesterday lol

the Talking Can 09-10-2012 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 8898057)
The D-line is important. The idea of spending 1st round picks on it isn't crazy. However, when the Pats did it they got guys like Seymour and Wilfork. The Chiefs haven't.
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this

which just means first round picks have to be impact players, scheme be damned


you can't justify spending 3 top eleven picks on the DL if all they have to do is stop the run..you can justify spending a first round pick on JJ Watts

Black Bob 09-10-2012 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 8898070)
they run the Dallas the 3-4

Jay Ratliff is an attacking/penetrating d-lineman as well

Yep, it's the same thing San Franciso runs too....

Bump 09-10-2012 11:46 AM

I'm regretting the RAC hire too. I bet if we just would have hired a head coach that would have retained Romeo as DC, the D would have been more ready to play.

This is what happened last year too. The first 2 games we gave up 70-80 points and then we turned it around on defense.

htismaqe 09-10-2012 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8898086)
The d-line was better yesterday than it was with Kelly Gregg. I thought the d-line looked better than ever yesterday. Tyson Jackson looked nasty for the first time.

Also, NT is far and away the most important position in the 3-4 defense and we have never really had one until this year.

Look at the Giants. They were built around the d-line. The pats d-lines were great when they won Superbowls. The steelers had good d-lines. The colts had a great d-line. Having a good d-line is a piece to the puzzle.

What you fail to address is that all of those teams were built around ONE first-round guy (if that).

The Giants got their guys in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. The Pats had Seymour but Wilfork was taken at the back of the first. The Steelers have a couple of guys from the late 1st but nobody in the top 10. And their top passrusher was an undrafted FA. Outside of Freeny at #11 overall, the Colts didn't invest top draft picks in linemen.

What do most of those teams have in common? When they had a top 10 (or even top 5) pick, they took a QUARTERBACK.

We've spent so many top draft picks on linemen that we're woefully thin on top-tier talent elsewhere.

Fritz88 09-10-2012 11:48 AM

Why would the Dline do well when your DBs are shitting the bed.

Fix your secondary then see how your Dline works.

Black Bob 09-10-2012 11:49 AM

First, the plan was never for Dorsey to be a 3-4 DE when we took him. He looked like Warren Sapp coming out. That pick was a no brainer and I do believe Herm would have taken Ryan if he was there.

Second, Look at the picks the year Pioli took Jackson. They aren't very good players. maybe we could have taken Raji but he hasn't been that great. Jackson looks pretty good to me when you look at that class. I'm not really sure where you think we were going to get an impact player in that bunch?

Mr. Laz 09-10-2012 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8898110)
First, the plan was never for Dorsey to be a 3-4 DE when we took him. He looked like Warren Sapp coming out. That pick was a no brainer and I do believe Herm would have taken Ryan if he was there.

Second, Look at the picks the year Pioli took Jackson. They aren't very good players. maybe we could have taken Raji but he hasn't been that great. Jackson looks pretty good to me when you look at that class. I'm not really sure where you think we were going to get an impact player in that bunch?

Dorsey looked crappy in a 4-3 scheme

DaneMcCloud 09-10-2012 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Bump (Post 8898104)
I'm regretting the RAC hire too. I bet if we just would have hired a head coach that would have retained Romeo as DC, the D would have been more ready to play.

Romeo stated publicly that if he wasn't hired as the head coach after his 2-1 performance last year, he'd move on and not stay in KC.

htismaqe 09-10-2012 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8898110)
First, the plan was never for Dorsey to be a 3-4 DE when we took him. He looked like Warren Sapp coming out. That pick was a no brainer and I do believe Herm would have taken Ryan if he was there.

Second, Look at the picks the year Pioli took Jackson. They aren't very good players. maybe we could have taken Raji but he hasn't been that great. Jackson looks pretty good to me when you look at that class. I'm not really sure where you think we were going to get an impact player in that bunch?

Take Sanchez and roll the dice.

No he hasn't looked great to this point but it's also New York - you have no idea how good he would have been here. Hell, he might have been worse.

But at least you tried.

htismaqe 09-10-2012 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 8898118)
Romeo stated publicly that if he wasn't hired as the head coach after his 2-1 performance last year, he'd move on and not stay in KC.

Should have let him go.


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