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Reerun_KC 12-02-2008 02:03 PM

I am going to hang all my hopes on the 55% that Herm will not return. So that is actually a 5% chance Herm will be gone...

So there is a chance? WOW this is the most excited I have been about Chiefs football since He was hired. 5% is better than nothing I guess... That is the only hope we have for freedom and the possibility of this franchise moving forward.

Reerun_KC 12-02-2008 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5265096)
Do you honestly think it's a smart move on the part of the owner to fire a head coach after promising to stick by him during a rebuild AND while the stadium is under massive construction? Additionally, he'd owe Herm $3-4 million dollars.

Wise move?

I guess you cant take two wrongs and make a right......

Deberg_1990 12-02-2008 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5265096)
Do you honestly think it's a smart move on the part of the owner to fire a head coach after promising to stick by him during a rebuild AND while the stadium is under massive construction? Additionally, he'd owe Herm $3-4 million dollars.

Wise move?

Since when does an owners word mean anything in the NFL?

Its about winning and keeping your fanbase happy.

What does the stadium rebuild have to do with Herm?

Like Banks says, "I just don't know how owner Clark Hunt sells another season of Peterson and Edwards to the frustrated fans of Kansas City."


You cant slap your fanbase in the face like that. You just cant.

Reerun_KC 12-02-2008 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 5265109)
Since when does an owners word mean anything in the NFL?

Its about winning and keeping your fanbase happy.

What does the stadium rebuild have to do with Herm?

Like Banks says, "I just don't know how owner Clark Hunt sells another season of Peterson and Edwards to the frustrated fans of Kansas City."


You cant slap your fanbase in the face like that. You just cant.

The spinners will hang on the youth movement and rebuilding mantra....


At some point over the last 3 years, you have to see some sort of progress in the team. The spinners look at the last 6 games while blindly ignoring the previous two years and two drafts...

IF they come back, winning nor competing is a priority. Hell at this point $$$ isnt even a factor. You cant bring these guys back and expect fans to buy into what they are selling.. It just wont happen.

Deberg_1990 12-02-2008 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 5265116)

IF they come back, winning nor competing is a priority. Hell at this point $$$ isnt even a factor. You cant bring these guys back and expect fans to buy into what they are selling.. It just wont happen.

Well said. The fans have ZERO faith in Carl Peterson and Herm Edwards. ZERO.

If they come back either Clark doesnt care about winning, or is completely out of touch.

Why would you want to rebuild with the two chumps that dug you in this hole?? I dont get it????

Only the Chiefs....

DaneMcCloud 12-02-2008 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 5265109)
Since when does an owners word mean anything in the NFL?

Its about winning and keeping your fanbase happy.

What does the stadium rebuild have to do with Herm?

Like Banks says, "I just don't know how owner Clark Hunt sells another season of Peterson and Edwards to the frustrated fans of Kansas City."


You cant slap your fanbase in the face like that. You just cant.

Many have said it and I'll say it again: There is ZERO percent chance that Herm's fired.

Should Cleveland have fired Chris Palmer after year one?
Jacksonville fired Tom Coughlin after year one?
Houston fired Dom Capers after year one?

Rebuilding takes TIME. Herm may not be the coach to lead the Chiefs AFTER the rebuilding period but for the time being, he's the RIGHT coach to lead the Chiefs. He's personable, upbeat and won't allow the players to sulk or get down on themselves.

But I'm sure that you and guys like Reerun hope he's fired and replaced with some retread. Then the Chiefs can go out and spend a ton of money on over-priced free agents in hopes of 9-7 or 10-6 for the next few years until THOSE guys are too old and then the Chiefs just repeat the cycle.

Right?

ROFL

Fish 12-02-2008 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 5265109)
Since when does an owners word mean anything in the NFL?

Its about winning and keeping your fanbase happy.

What does the stadium rebuild have to do with Herm?

Like Banks says, "I just don't know how owner Clark Hunt sells another season of Peterson and Edwards to the frustrated fans of Kansas City."


You cant slap your fanbase in the face like that. You just cant.

ROFL

Clark doesn't give a shit if "the fans" are happy or not. If he did, he wouldn't have entertained the idea of a rebuild, he'd just continue on with mediocrity forever.

He hasn't had a single blackout this season. And at the same time, the stadium isn't actually full, which helps during the stadium construction... There aren't really 80,000 people at the stadium, and that's good for Clark because they likely wouldn't have room if it were actually at capacity.

All in all, Clark is in a pretty good spot right now. The stadium is half-empty while still boasting of sellouts, there's very little pressure since we were expected to suck, and we have shit tons of unused cap space.

Get ready, cause if you go into the offseason expecting Herm to actually be on the hot seat, you're most definitely going to be disappointed.

Brock 12-02-2008 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 5265123)
Well said. The fans have ZERO faith in Carl Peterson and Herm Edwards. ZERO.

If they come back either Clark doesnt care about winning, or is completely out of touch.

Why would you want to rebuild with the two chumps that dug you in this hole?? I dont get it????

Only the Chiefs....

Simple. They don't give a shit what the fans think. They never have.

Mr. Laz 12-02-2008 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 5265109)
Since when does an owners word mean anything in the NFL?

Its about winning and keeping your fanbase happy.

What does the stadium rebuild have to do with Herm?

Like Banks says, "I just don't know how owner Clark Hunt sells another season of Peterson and Edwards to the frustrated fans of Kansas City."


You cant slap your fanbase in the face like that. You just cant.

the Chiefs have been slapping their fanbase in the face for years.

the fact that "Rufus Dawes" still writes for the website is a slap.

hell .... Carl has been kicking the fanbase in the nuts for going on 10 years.

Deberg_1990 12-02-2008 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5265136)
But I'm sure that you and guys like Reerun hope he's fired and replaced with some retread. Then the Chiefs can go out and spend a ton of money on over-priced free agents in hopes of 9-7 or 10-6 for the next few years until THOSE guys are too old and then the Chiefs just repeat the cycle.

Right?

ROFL

No, honestly ive wanted the Chiefs for years to take a chance on a young upstart coach like a:

John Harbaugh, Tony Sparano, Jim Zorn, Mike Smith or Mike Tomlin.

Mr. Laz 12-02-2008 02:25 PM

we shouldn't even talk coach yet


new GM comes first

DaneMcCloud 12-02-2008 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 5265153)
No, honestly ive wanted the Chiefs for years to take a chance on a young upstart coach like a:

John Harbaugh, Tony Sparano, Jim Zorn, Mike Smith or Mike Tomlin.

Why?

Young coaches generally work better with veteran teams and vice versa.

Jim Zorn would have been a disaster in Kansas City.

morphius 12-02-2008 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5265096)
Do you honestly think it's a smart move on the part of the owner to fire a head coach after promising to stick by him during a rebuild AND while the stadium is under massive construction? Additionally, he'd owe Herm $3-4 million dollars.

Wise move?

Yes it would be a wise move, if you consider that we have the cap to bring in some FA's that a new HC would like to have. What costs you more, the 3 mill to Herm, or one mistake like Harris?

Brock 12-02-2008 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by morphius (Post 5265171)
Yes it would be a wise move, if you consider that we have the cap to bring in some FA's that a new HC would like to have. What costs you more, the 3 mill to Herm, or one mistake like Harris?

What good is salary cap space without the will to actually spend the money?

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-02-2008 02:49 PM

There is absolutely no reason why Marvin Lewis, Andy Reid, or Brad Childress should have jobs next week, let alone next year.


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