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OnTheWarpath15 09-16-2008 06:18 PM

Here's the beauty...

2002:

Oakland, 1st

loses to

Tampa Bay, 15th.

OnTheWarpath15 09-16-2008 06:18 PM

Here's another gem:

2001:

St. Louis, 1st

loses to

New England, 22nd.

OnTheWarpath15 09-16-2008 06:19 PM

2000:

Giants, 13th

Ravens, 22nd.

OnTheWarpath15 09-16-2008 06:20 PM

Chinese food is here.

Ownage over.

Deberg_1990 09-16-2008 06:20 PM

Id say if you can rush the passer, stop the run and run the ball effectively, you have a great chance to win some ball games in January. Thats no secret.

SAUTO 09-16-2008 06:21 PM

sssshhhhhhhh herm might hear you. you are justifying his offensive philosophy

RJ 09-16-2008 06:21 PM

What about the Ravens, was that 2001? Trent Dilfer was the QB. Don't know where they ranked but it couldn't have been too high.

kstater 09-16-2008 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 5026336)
Id say if you can rush the passer, stop the run and run the ball effectively, you have a great chance to win some ball games in January. Thats no secret.

I would say that if you score more points than the opponent, you will win some ball games.

RJ 09-16-2008 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RJ (Post 5026341)
What about the Ravens, was that 2001? Trent Dilfer was the QB. Don't know where they ranked but it couldn't have been too high.


I see you've addressed that.

FringeNC 09-16-2008 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 5026328)
Speaking of 'slipping through with luck", I'd say luck is probably a greater factor than a top-10 passing attack. Not that I wouldn't want a top-10 passing attack. But a few bounces over the course of the season/playoffs are really all that separates the teams that finish at the top from the ones in the middle. Not that you can rely on luck or really do anything to change your fortunes in a game played with an oblong ball.

Yep. Luck cannot be predicted. The teams having a top passing attack can be. That's why the teams projected to have a top passing are the favorites to win the Super Bowl.

FringeNC 09-16-2008 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RJ (Post 5026341)
What about the Ravens, was that 2001? Trent Dilfer was the QB. Don't know where they ranked but it couldn't have been too high.

85 Bears, 2001 Ravens ARE the exceptions. They were predicted to be good. They dominated the game with defense.

keg in kc 09-16-2008 06:27 PM

Want to know the real secret?

Superior talent wins games.

You can have pretenders based on defense like the Martyocre Chiefs or pretenders based on offense like the Vermeil Chiefs. Either way, they were just padding their respective stats against the league's weak sisters during the season and then getting exposed when they had to play playoff-calibre squads.

Unfortunately, for another offseason or two, and/or until the players drafted in the last 2-3 years develop into solid pros, we're one of those weak sisters.

Really, what you have to be is great in one facet of the game, and above-average to good in the other two. Whether thats a dominant defense with a solid offense and special teams, or a dominant offense with a solid D and STs. Either way, you can't have any holes. At all.

FringeNC 09-16-2008 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5026335)
Chinese food is here.

Ownage over.

Vegas odds-makers would laugh at you.

Rausch 09-16-2008 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 5026286)
Are there really any exceptions to this? Sure, sometimes a team wins the SB without one, but it is luck, and they are certainly not a favorite going into the next year..

Prove to me that since 95 more teams have won WITH a franchise QB than a journeyman QB...

FringeNC 09-16-2008 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 5026360)
Want to know the real secret?

Superior talent wins games.

You can have pretenders based on defense like the Martyocre Chiefs or pretenders based on offense like the Vermeil Chiefs. Either way, they were just padding their respective stats against the league's weak sisters during the season and then getting exposed when they had to play playoff-calibre squads.

Unfortunately, for another offseason or two, and/or until the players drafted in the last 2-3 years develop into solid pros, we're one of those weak sisters.

Really, what you have to be is great in one facet of the game, and above-average to good in the other two. Whether thats a dominant defense with a solid offense and special teams, or a dominant offense with a solid D and STs. Either way, you can't have any holes. At all.

I dunno. I think Michael Lewis of Moneyball fame is onto something when he writes it's all about QB, LT, and DE. You have to be able to throw the ball, and you have to be able to pressure the QB. If you can't do that.....

For example, does having a top 10 running back really matter these days?


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