Very true

Word.

Right, I forgot about all those other coaches that would have beaten New England in the midst of their 3-year Super Bowl dynasty to get 12 wins even though the starting QB got hurt every year. You're out of your minds.

A playoff road victory over LT and Brees, and a 41-0 thumping over the Colts in the playoffs as well. More evidence of incompetence.

Herm the man of many quotes and empty cliches.

How can we even call this rebuilding when we bench(pollard)cut(medlock)replace(phinisee)or just plain don't let the young player play (Croyle).

Forget the 5th round kicker - he's irrelevant. Phinisee is even less relevant.

Pollard is the starter. If he plays bad, he will get pulled. That is part of the learning process. We have not given up on him, and he will be back out there. But I also think he needs to play less defensive snaps so we have him ready for special teams duty where he is badly needed.

We need Croyle within a month. I hope we get him this weekend.

Rebuilding does not, however, necessarily mean rookies. It means new players and new schemes.

Because we want to try and win whlie rebuilding. New coach, a lot of new players, you don't get perfect over night.

very true ....... good point

what is so "perfect" about just having the players prepared to run a play?

We're in real trouble now. Herm's snitching on himself.

FAX

I'm done defending him.

When did Herm win 12 games?

I don't know, I don't think these problems were Herm's fault. We had 4 good opportunities in the 4th quarter to score and the players ****ed up: Fumble, interception, blocked field goal, touchdown brought back because of a penalty. These are the things that the coach can't be blamed for. The players have to take some freaking responsibility for this kind of shit. With 4 opportunities like that, I think we can say that the coach had us in a good position to win or at least score and the players blew it.

Irrelevant my ass the fact that Medlock was a 5th round pick makes him relevant. And Drummond has done nothing but fumble a ball miss a tackle and make one tackle. Phinisee had a chance to add a spark drummond will get you 17 yards from the endzone when he fields the ball two yards deep. He is a waste.

I phrased that badly.

My point was that 9-10 wins was the ceiling for those teams considering the division they played in and the fact that Pennington only played 16 games once. Herm had them peaking at the end of the year each time, and they were always a difficult out in December and January.

What was a reasonable expectation for last year's team with Green going down opening day, Roaf retiring in training camp, and James Reed, Kendrell Bell, and Jordan Black starting? I would say Herm did a hell of a job to go 9-7 with those circumstances.

What is the reasonable expectation this year? That we should beat the Bears on the road in week 2? Or that we should improve every week and by the end of the year hopefully be a team competing for a playoff spot and getting ready to be a serious contender with Croyle at QB next year?