Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 13312296)

I'll agree that this Star Wars movie has flaws and the people that want to rank it as one of the worst ever might arguably have a point, but this blind seething rage towards TLJ makes me laugh.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13315227)

Not the worst thanks to the prequels.

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 13315231)

Don't tell these psychopaths that, lol

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 13315231)

Don't tell these psychopaths that, lol

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13315245)

I’d rather some one tie me up, Clockwork Orange style, and force me to watch The Phanton Menace for 72 hours straight than to sit in a movie theater for 2 hours and 32 minutes watching TLJ

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13315245)

I’d rather some one tie me up, Clockwork Orange style, and force me to watch The Phanton Menace for 72 hours straight than to sit in a movie theater for 2 hours and 32 minutes watching TLJ

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13291239)

I have to disagree here.

After the second viewing, some of the plotlines became clearer and I don't feel like the story "shit on the characters from the OT".

1. Luke admitted to the same hubris as the original Jedi Order. That's the type of honesty that made Luke Skywalker, Luke Skywalker. And in the end, he once again saved the Rebellion, his sister and this time, his apprentice, Rey, who will carry on the Jedi Order.

2. Leia was the strong leader that she'd always been. She was feisty and strong willed, even to the point of using a laster blaster against one of her allies. I don't see how that conflicts at all with the OT.

3. Chewie was Chewie. A loyal friend that at times, provided a comedic element.

4. R2D2, again, was R2. BB8 was pretty awesome, too.

There's been fair criticism of the subplot on Canto Bight but I think it's been misguided. Sure, what was in front of us was pretty silly and fun and the mission itself was a failure. But what hasn't been discussed is that Rose apparently gave a little boy a ring with the Rebel Alliance symbol and also uses The Force. I think those scenes and sequences are more about the future of the Rebellion and the Jedi Order. It also allowed Finn to kill Phasma.

The "fuel" aspect is still a bit weird as a plot device but whatever. The film seemed somewhat plodding to me on the first viewing but the second viewing went by laser-quick, most likely because I knew exactly what was coming next and the pacing seemed fine.

The Throne Room scene with Snoke, Rey and Ren was amazing. I'm not quite ready to say that it equals Qui-Gon and Obi Wan versus Darth Maul but it's damn close. I'm sure once I've watched on Blu Ray a dozen times, my opinion might shift to where I rank it #1. But that's a silly quibble.

All in all, while it wasn't the story that I was expecting, nor where some of the character arcs what I expected, the film stands on its own very well. I'm not ready to rank it in Star Wars movies but for my money, it's better than the Prequels, better than the Force Awakens, better than Return of the Jedi but at this point in time, behind TESB, Rogue One and A New Hope.

That could change upon subsequent viewings.

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 13315259)

Hmm.

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13315262)

Dane's a very confused young boy who wants to sit at the 'cool kids' table but also wants to like Star Wars, too.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13315265)

My opinion has obviously changed.

The more time I spent with this movie in my head, the more I disliked it.

Having conversations with people in the real world really made me realize how much I don’t like it.

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 13315273)

If you say so. This thread has devolved into something very similar to what goes on in the DC threads with both sides retreating to completely polar opposite points of view on what was a decent to good but not great movie.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13315276)

That’s some brilliant insight

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 13315283)

Says the guy who went from saying this movie was very good to now saying it is worse than the Phantom Menace in a week. But we should take you seriously, right?

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13315290)

You can go **** yourself while watching KU lose in the first round.

Again and again and again.