Ah -- good point. On aggregate, that would be a pretty lousy haul. I was considering them in a vacuum.

I still think it's funny that we put more thought into the CP mock than most of these guys seem to put into their paid gigs. Did they really do that thinking that the Chiefs would come out of the first 2 days of the draft with nothing to show but guys at the least critical positions on the football field from areas largely seen as talent-thin in this draft?

I suspect not. That's probably more effort than they bothered to put into the exercise.

Greatly depends for me. I do not want them giving up a draft pick to move up. I’d hate it if they traded 95 to go up to 24. I’ve been pretty consistent that the pick swap strategy would be fine with me.

If they want a tackle or weapon in rd 1, the DT’s in rd 2 are still damn good. Farmer, Sanders, Turner, etc. and I’d argue there isn’t a huge disparity between them and someone like Kenneth Grant.

There are so many Spags DE’s in this draft that the depth allows us to take one in rd 3 IMO. Jared Ivey, Sai’Vion Jones, Elijah Roberts, Ashton Gilotte, Barryn Sorrell, Jack Sawyer. I would imagine Spags and Cullen walked into the DL draft meeting with Spags with the biggest shit eating grins on their faces LMAO

I almost think taking a DE in rd 1 is counterproductive to value due to the depth there. But man if we could keep 63 AND 66 we could do some real ****ing damage on the DL with the opportunity to address something else in rd 1.

Let’s be honest. Veach is not conservative. He’s always gonna go full OCD tunnel vision for his guy. We’re going to trade up unless nobody wants to, and in this draft I can’t see that happening.

Let's take a trip back to 1983...
https://i.ibb.co/HTrybm73/The-Kansas...3-04-25-17.jpg

And what the beat reporters were saying day of the 1983 draft
https://i.ibb.co/fV0ZtnMB/The-Kansas...3-04-25-25.jpg

Oof.

I feel like I forgot that Bruce Matthews was on the board there. We always talk about Marino and Kelly but damn, Matthews would've been a hell of a consolation prize.

Reading back through all the KC newspaper stuff at that time - Marino is more of a Captain Hindsight pick than what was really going on in 1983.

Fellas-back to the OP-Veach has done a masterful job this offseason in setting up the draft to just take the best player available.

Other than a QB, it just doesn't matter. I mean, they COULD even take a Donovan Jackson at #31 and you could make a solid argument that, well, it IS perhaps the one offensive position without a starter in place-and he HAS played LT as well. Not that it's my preference, of course. But Veach could literally take a Guard and it helps the team.

I think it'll be D-line; either a DE or a DT to pair with Jonesy. But hell, it could be anything, damned near.

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You realize that a genuinely impressive squat for an o-lineman is like 600 lbs, right? An ordinary squat for a college O-lineman is going to be about 450 lbs.

225 lbs is shit. He could probably do that without putting any pressure on his injured leg at all; he's just using it for balance and getting all the power out of his right leg.

Again -- anything the medicals tell you just make your wild-ass guess right now a little less wild.

But it's still a guess.

Yep, though I think it is meant to indicate he is ahead of the curve in his recovery process.

How can it possibly indicate that?

Again -- he doesn't need to get ANYTHING from his left leg to squat 225 lbs. With a little bit of weight transfer and a toe tap with his left leg to keep himself balanced, the right leg alone is likely sufficient to squat 225.

It's like when I broke my right ankle -- for a month I'm doing toe raises and leg presses but essentially putting all the pressure on my left leg and the right leg was just along for the ride.

It doesn't say anything at all. It says he a guy from one of the 5 most wealthy college football programs in the country, with an NFL caliber weight room, can squat 225 lbs on one leg.

I mean...duh. I feel like we knew that already.

We know nothing more than we knew a month ago. Because we CAN'T know.

Hell, if anything I'm concerned ALL he can do is 225.

I'm just not touching this dude. More likely than not he'll ever be the same. And if by some miracle he is, good for the team that took the risk.

Too many good players in this class to take a "cross your fingers" pick early.

I found this study from Reddit in regards to patella injuries. This is pretty damn bleak.

-study was from 2009-2022
-Just over half of all players who have this injury came back to play even one game
-Only 16% came back to start as many games within 2 seasons of their injury as they did 1 season before injury.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11806464/

Seems like an unnecessary risk based on desperation when you see the numbers

And that's the thing - we're not desperate.

The rest of the league thinks we are, and some fans think we are based solely on a guard playing LT in the Super Bowl against one of the best DL of all time.

If Veach wants to throw a pick at a body in the 4th or later, fine by me.

But this draft has too much talent in R1-R3 to spend a pick on a position we just spent $30M over 2 years to fix.

That's what I'm saying.

That's a 'one legged' figure. He's not doing anything with that left leg to squat 225 lbs.

It means NOTHING.

If he were 9 months down the road instead of 6 months down the road and squatting 375 -- okay, that means something. He's deeper into his recovery and putting up weight that he's clearly having to use the left leg to get up. He's not where he needs to be, but its an indication he's progressing.

But 225 at 6 months means we haven't learned a single thing (neither good or bad -- there's no reasonable expectation for him to be squatting 300+ lbs at 6 months) about the state of his left knee.

It tells you how much shit these guys throw at the wall and expect people to bite on it. If anyone can give me any reason at all why this suggests a positive development as to the health of his left leg, I'll listen.

I simply have no idea why it would.

Eh - nothing to see here.

It was just a 'non-contact knee injury' -- guys come back from those all the time....

(That's how I'm seeing folks refer to it a LOT right now. Rather than "catastrophic and rare" they just call it "non-contact" and move along)