KC annexed all those lands that surround the airport long ago. Much remains undeveloped and was the first choice of NASCAR till KC politics crushed the idea. Nascar popularity has kind of slowed while the NFL just keeps growing. That is an area that can be turned into something Clark could envision as being a success. But so could Bonner Springs or Gardner and yes KCK in Kansas.

By KCK I am talking the Wyandotte County area around the racetrack, not Quindaro.

I somehow doubt that a Missouri legislature full of St. Louis politicians is going to do anything. Kansas benefits here from the fact that there is no other metro in the state. There is no real opposition.

Yeah sure. Like I said is having some outlet stores around and a couple bar and grill restaurants make it that much of a destination location and something that's impossible to replicate at the TSC?

The mayor is not even a factor after the election failure and his pushing the stadium into the crossroads blew up like a dollar watch. He is a bystander at this point, no bullets in his gun. He can now sit back and wait for Cleaver to die and then go to Washington. What a disaster he brought on to KC.

John Sherman is perhaps the least likable face of a team as there could be. He may be the best dude ever but comes across as a PR nightmare aided by his wife who shit on herself after the vote.

Frank White is not smart enough to come inside. But he was able to undermine the Royals every step of the way with small comments and questions. Jackson County should eject him asap.

The way this shapes up is The Chiefs were happy with the program they had on the ballot but were forced by Q and White to tie to the Royals and that sunk them. Now they are separate, it green lights a new day, lets look at all options. and KS will run hard to get them. The tax income from stadium is enormous for the County and State.

I actually could see the Chiefs move to KS and the Royals leave KC entirely. KC had a worldclass stadium complex. Now it could be another deserted area of eastern KC for the hoodrats to spray paint.

Is this serious?

I don't spend a lot of time at Legends, but you have Kansas Speedway, Sporting KC, T-Bones, Hollywood Casino, Great Wolf Lodge, Dave and Buster's, Stanford's, Cabela's, NFM, AMC, etc......vs.....a Taco Bell and Subway and shitty roads. Yeah, I don't think it's a contest in terms of which area has more attractions.

Bitter? I'd be more than happy if y'all hosted the teams if they can't do any better than they're doing with their bid to extend a tax. Like going to see a race, I'm OK with the occasional few mile drive to go see them, just like Kansans are OK with the current few mile drive to come to Missouri to watch the Royals and the Chiefs. That doesn't make us bitter, it makes us smart.

In b4, "but you'll lose all the revenue the teams bring to JACO!!!" I know, I don't care about it.

Well Q better hope for a miracle in Jeff City because the M legislature has proven time and time again that they only do things for St. Louis, but harldy ever for KC. Sad but true... Maybe this time, since the Rams bolted, they'll realize they do need to compete with KS and bring MO's forces to bear in the competition.

St. Louis politicians don't run the Missouri legislature. The difference in seats for the two metro areas is 12-13, out of 163 members of the Missouri house.

If going based purely on fandom/fan support, the Chiefs have a majority of the house. It's not based just on that, though. Obviously.

I suspect the MO legislature and governor's office are motivated to keep both teams in the state (In fact, I know this from talking to the husband of a friend of mine who is a state rep on the side of the aisle that is in power).

Kansas City itself and the state will work to keep the Royals. Kansas City, or North Kansas City + Kansas City and the state will work to keep the Chiefs.

And all of the tax shit will probably be worse than it would have been had the sales tax extension passed, and Johnson County will continue to suck off the teat of Kansas City proper while freeloading on the things that make the area cool.

As for the worthless mayor moving on to DC, I saw that happening for quite sometime. However, he will be replaced by another stooge that is controlled by the KC political machine.

The land the stadiums are at if they both leave will just be bought out by developers, they will put something there its in a prime location.

Nobody wants Mayor Q involved in anything that matters. That dude is a slimy one who sucks the penis.

But we can all envision a bold new future Arrowhead 2.0 at The Legends can't we?

Lines of superdutys with university of misery vanity plates idling in the mist at dawn. Waiting to get inside The House That Pat Built In Kansas and spend their money

One new thing getting lost in all of this is Clark Hunt seriously talking about going with a dome stadium. That part would really suck, wherever the stadium is.

Jeff City can **** itself. No money for the Chiefs, Royals or Cardinals.

A new domed stadium out by the racetrack in Kansas? I guess that's better than moving to San Antonio etc. but still would suck big time.

Yeah, no idea what they're planning, but if they tore down the old Cerner buildings (RIP), they could probably fit a stadium in there across the street from Great Wolf Lodge, and build hotels or whatever on the other side, between Village West Pkwy and I-70.

It wouldn't be a crazy short walk, but a mile from Jazz, YardHouse, and several other restaurants... about the same as walking from Lot L.

Except that it would put KC in the rotation for the Final 4 and the Super Bowl, which is 99% the reason you go domed.

I wonder about this part when its all said and done. The real possibility of it costing more than the initial extension

I'm a buy once, cry once guy though so I'd ultimately rather pay more and get it right when it came to the shortcomings of both proposals (I'm not a voter)

Hosting a Super Bowl or a Final Four once every 20 years is not worth having a shitty game day experience for every Chiefs game.

I can see royals moving to Kansas. Let Johnson county pay for the team. Sherman could try and move the team
.but would lose the lawsuit and the name, history and titles stay with KC. Also, je Dunn would need.to move as they would lose all contracts in KC area. Sherman is in a tough spot with being caught as a liar.

Chiefs will get what they want. Problem is their design was not enough for the amount of money they wanted to spend. It was a shit upgrade for 800m.

It needs to be a district. Put in a couple bars, restaurant, top golf, pickleball with its own parking. And a moveable roof that goes over both locations.

Those things would no doubt make it a better experience for out-of-towners. As a local I can't imagine I'd bother with any of the other surrounding attractions on Chiefs gameday. Between tailgating and the game, it's already a pretty full day.

Moving to KS would suck for this out of towner. I can Leave my house and be at Arrowhead in 2:45 minutes. Adding 30-45 minutes to that would suck. The Great Wolf Lodge? I've priced that and I can stay in a beach side high rise condo on the Gulf of Mexico for that kind of money. **** that place and it's indoor pool full of kiddie pee.

This X 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 bazillion!

Yeah, I'd personally rather see that kind of stuff for baseball, because I've never tailgated for the Royals and don't view baseball games as the same all-day event like Chiefs games.

Local or traveling, I could see it changing my habits a bit though.. for example, I did TopGolf before the Chiefs/Cards game across from the Cards stadium and it was great... I wouldn't fully substitute that for tailgating in KC, but if there was a prime time game, I'd definitely consider showing up extra early for something like that or other things close by. And I personally don't postgame tailgate and never eat inside the stadium, so postgame meals/drinks would be an option.

And I'm usually crashing a tailgate, so I'm sure many others spend the first half of the day prepping and so forth, and wouldn't have the time... but if there's other stuff to do besides waiting in line for the gates to open, I'd be all for it to cram in as much stuff on a game day.

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If Kansas really plays it’s cards right, it can use the new stadium to attract the real prize, Buc-ees.

They have had years to build that area up but nothing has happened so it actually does seem quite difficult.

And besides those events, they would only need a roof like once a decade when the wind chill is -30⁰ or there's a 100⁰ September afternoon game or afternoon summer concert.

At the expense of natural grass and open-air for the main attraction? No effin' way. You'd get one SB in your lifetime, probably one FF for a waning sport...no dome, thank you

Sent a note to my Missouri state rep. He responded pretty quickly. A few notes:

1. Missouri has no comparable tool to Kansas Star Bonds that they can use to make these kinds of things happen. He noted they are hoping to have something similar, but probably a year away.

2. Neither the Chiefs nor the Royals have reached out for any state support.

Doesn't sound real promising.

There is, or used to be, a huge area just on the north side of 470 and Douglas/Lee's Summit Road that would have been a good spot for stadium and surrounding developments.

I honestly don't care if it's in KCMO or KCKS, as long as it, you guessed it, has a retractable roof. I would prefer it to be in Kansas City, MO, or at least Jackson County, but whatever keeps them in the metro area, with the best option for a new stadium works for me.

He is one of the worst Mayors this city has ever had. He is more concerned with his Q rating and media exposure instead of running a city while looking out for the city's and the residents' best interests.

The area you mention is already under construction with new apartments, hotels, office, retail, lakes etc. The area along the east side of 470 is wide open, but with little flavor around it.

Somebody convinced that jagoff he is the next Obama. He literally does nothing but offer occasional sound bites and hold a meaningless press conference; even KC Tenants has publicly stated he has failed in his afforable housing projects. He can't even get more detectives hired like he promised. He's s small-time grifter that pees sitting down

You don't want the stadium on Todd George Rd?

Sheesh, lol


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"I just don't get...."
You are refusing to see the reality. If a shopping development would have worked at TSC they would have done it a long long time ago (instead they rebuilt the independence area). What makes you think your hunch is better than the people that do this for a living?

There are two areas better for downtown baseball that the People wanted but the royals took the third option which was what they wanted. There is still room in KC for a stadium that wouldn't infuriate the locals.... "Save our old asbestos warehouses!!!!".

I would think an older version of Mahomes would prefer to not play in freezing weather. It's a nice advantage against warm weather teams during his prime years. But as he goes beyond age 35, I would guess the dome or retractable roof is much better for him.

A big, domed, overpriced, artificially turfed, monstrosity filled with rich people and not the common fan that make Arrowhead what it is, way out in the western burbs surrounded by chain retail to suck up the tailgating scene.

What a dream.

Can’t believe so many clowns on this board are actually cheering for it to happen. I mean it’s probably inevitable, but the game day experience is about to get so much worse for the common fan.

What a bummer.

How many people is that... two? :shrug:

A dome would make the venue far more attractive to a wider range of year around events.

You could schedule things in winter that you likely wouldn't otherwise.

You could schedule things knowing there is zero chance of rain.

Just saying. Not that I have a dog in this fight.

:shrug:

Maybe they can build a FCA building and a Taco Bell to emulate the gameday experience you'll be missing.

Oh that's right, you won't be making the trip because it's in Kansas! Too bad, so sad!

Love how you just dream up the worst scenario to hide the fact that you just don't want to drive to Kansas. lol

Yeah Arrowhead was great. It was so easy to get in and out of and the parking was really cheap.

Don't you recall all the options and features for the "common man, common fan" the Chiefs were about to build into Arrowhead with that $800 million??

As much fun as I had driving to a 70s era stadium where Independence meets Raytown all those years, what makes Arrowhead is not the concrete in prime meth country, it's the fans. You can recreate that in other parts of the city

The last game the common fan could afford to attend a bunch them lost the rest of their fingers and toes

How does George Blowfish feel about this? His family has had those seats forever.

Oof, small price to pay to watch Tua and Reek bend the knee.

im not spending a dime in kansas. **** that shithole

lololololol

You live in Independence, you need to save every last dime you can for smokes.

cool, I would have never driven to where Arrowhead is located in my LIFE if it wasn't there. Talk about a shithole. If a retractable roof in Kansas ALSO has the added benefit of Raytown Rednecks swearing off attending count that as a bonus in my book. You can watch the Super Bowl on a free antenna so you don't have to set foot in Kansas.

Not today Diabeetus!

Any new stadium design is going to suck though, compared to what we currently have at Arrowhead. Regulations won't allow them to build the same kind of steep bowl that Arrowhead was originally built with. The replacement would be wider and flatter, with longer views of the field and much worse acoustics.

thats right. smokes and methed out hookers. money well spent over a team thats holding hostage the county that has supported them for 50 years and threatens to sell out to uppity terrorist birds. GFY John Brown

It would be louder with a roof. People are just holding on to something old and outdated because of nostalgia alone.


lmao uppity terrorist birds.

I mean you realize for an outsider how hilarious it sounds to rebel against the elitists who live in...KANSAS? Look I lived 30 years there and I love it but like if you're worried about people across the state line take a hard look at why you are holding a grudge. Adults got over that.

I don't know which one is my fave cope/seethe of Spring '24.

mutts who won't never drive to kansas for nothin! realizing their most favorite football team might bail to KS or Tardinals fans realizing they're gonna suffer through 90+ loss baseball for years and aren't in fact "the best fans in baseball"

It's been good reading.

Given the number of people/families I've known who left the Raytown area in the 90s around the same time my parents also said **** this, I'm surprised it doesn't resemble a Detroit suburb by now, tbh.

There's a time and a place to raze a community to the ground. That time and place for Raytown and large, large swaths of Independence was 25 years ago.

The about of unreasonable hate that some on this Board towards the State of Kansas is both mystifying and comical at the same time. As a Kansan my preference would be a renovated Arrowhead because it would likely be cheaper and the place is special to many of us Chiefs fans. However, as long as the team stays in the metro, do we REALLY care THAT much what side of the state line the stadium sets?

They should hold a vote to keep Arrowhead the way it is

My grandma lived in Raytown so I'm familiar with it. Just so we're clear I'm not trashing it without reason

Yes :grr:

Yeah, it's pretty insane and senseless.

We should have voted to give billions to an owner for an old stadium who clearly doesn't want to be there

Any ****ing day would be good.

I grew up near this strip mall when shit was actually open and these pictures are what stands now.... and I grew up there thirty years ago and that sign has to be straight out of the 60s.

https://i.imgur.com/zNIiFT4.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/TttN6xb.jpg

John Sherman is a bundle of sticks. I think everyone reading this thread should remember that. That's what started all of this. Old mustache queer decides he deserves a new stadium for doing the good deed of rescuing the Royals franchise. Then he commissions concrete cancer bullshit studies and now we're here.

Then you've got Frank White and Mayor Q on the other side of the table. Talk about a round table of rump rangers.

Disgusting.

That strip mall could have survived if you hadn't skipped your karate lessons there

This is like having a relationship with a girl who says she loves you but later says she will leave you if you dont let her waste all of YOUR money. You cucks want to give her all your money because you think thats real love. **** that bullshit. CLARK HUNT IS A ****ING WHORE

You need to grow up, dude.


Also the issue with KC is there aren't any natural barriers to urban sprawl and while other cities are literally forced to renovate what they have it's cheaper in KC to just build new around the fringes and abandon the center. I don't know if there's really a solution either.

Yikes!


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It's true, but I don't know that we should be surprised that a fan board for a sports team tends to include a lot of tribalism.

As the snow flies
On a cold and gray Raytown mornin'
A poor little baby child is born
In the ghetto
(In missouriiiii)

And his mama cries
'Cause if there's one thing that she don't need
It is another hungry mouth to feed
In the ghetto
(South of the riverrrrr)

Wow, what a wonderful place for a meth binge.

Based on other cities experiences, I don't think relocating football stadiums is that big of deal for the typical fan. Plenty of fans swear they won't support the new venue but the new venue typically has the same attendance as the old, if not better. Even if it is out in the sticks.
There aren't that many home games, most fans get over it. For those you lose, you typically gain some.
Obviously relocation can cause winners and losers with businesses.
And I think baseball stadiums are a different dynamic because of how many more games they play.

Look at that strip mall. Imagine you're a billionaire who does not live in KC. You fly in with your rich friends to attend a game and show them around the city but you have to drive by that to get there.

Are you really surprised Clark wants to move elsewhere? I don't really believe him at all when he talks about renovating it. I think he's gone.

The Legends area of Kansas isn't fantastic or like culture-rich or anything but it's a hell of a lot better than the dilapidation taking place in some areas. It's kind of a clean slate.

Given all the tax breaks, I'm not sure a new stadium for a sports teams is really an economic plus. Having a sports team in the greater metro area but having your neighbor pay for it, doesn't actually seem like the worst outcome...

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You wanna talk about a nice spot for a meth binge? Just troll along Raytown Rd 500 yards south of Arrowhead and see what some folks are fighting for instead of embracing a clean, new future in Kansas. And this isn't the spot due West that's just an industrial wasteland. At least they knocked down one big hunk of dogshit and made parking for more Ford F-150s recently.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...32f3f5020a.jpg

Seems like a nice place







to buy a walnut bowl

I thought Clark was trying to absorb the St Louis and Eastern MO market.

Odd and stupid that he would add 30 minutes to their travel time if that were truly the case. Guess it isn’t.