He didn't improve. About midway through the season the coaching staff widened his split out from Thuney and they helped him every passing play with at the least a chip.

The SB vs. Tampa was very similar to this game. It was just an outlier of a game. Perhaps they bounce back next week and look competent. Perhaps they'll just slowly improve as the timing and knowledge of the offense progress.

But with 11 drops we still only lost by 1 pt and that was with a gift 6 from Toney.

Myles Garrett is as bad a mother****er as there is. And I'm sure they ****ing HATE the Bengals. Bengals will be better for sure.

As far as OBJ, I dunno. Burrow isn't Mahomes and Taylor isn't Reid. They're probably going to push harder to continue to do the shit that will let Chase, Higgins and Boyd stretch the defense. As well they should. If they have to help Brown on every passing down, that very much limits their capacity.

ROFL

Well done sir. You got a good chuckle out of me.

Burrow was blitzed a league low 15.6% last year.

Browns yesterday (with a new DC) blitzed him 38%.

Burrow was 2/11 for 16yds. Niiiiiice....

Funny, never seen Joe Burrow (JB) and Jim Bruer (JB) in same room before...
 

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The OL was so bad that there wasn’t much talk about burrow not looking completely right. I think there was footage of him rolling his knee around on the sideline with a trainer. Those two in combo are not a great sign. If he was rushed back that really impacts his mobility and makes him an injury risk

He never tried to leave the pocket or run at all. If you weren’t paying attention it was easy to overlook it but he’s not right and not mobile. Gonna see a lot of blitzes I think z

Watson did too. He missed so many open guys. He couldn't hit the broadside of a barn. If he hi a few of those throws they would've won by 35.

He did, and he was not effective at all.

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Myles Garrett is an uncaged wild animal out there. JFC

Dude, take a look at Micah Parsons last night... OMG. His closing speed was insanity.

Garrett, Parsons, and Bosa are just so fun to watch.

Higgins had 8 targets and 0 catches. Burrow’s jump ball luck ran out and they couldn’t even score a TD. Such a shame.

Hate to say it, but add Maxx Crosby to that list.

Burrow is washed once Tee leaves.

He won't be nearly as productive with only Chase.

He's good, just a different kind of good.

The other guys listed look like they are shot out of a cannon. Crosby is more crafty.

Time for a new thread?

Why can't Veach draft top 6 edge rushers?

Holy ****ing shit that is insanity by Garrett

Parsons, Bosa and Garrett are on a different level

A few QBs’ life expectancies increased when the 49ers took Lance over Parsons.

Parsons is sick.

Tyler Boyd is a really really good WR3. About as good as you’ll find in that role.

He’s a good second WR, but he doesn’t unlock things the way that the trio does.

Teams can solve for Chase and Boyd.

The guy is surrounded by other world-class athletes, and looks different from even them.

Tyreek Hill has that effect. Looks like he's playing down from a higher league. LMAO

Orlando Brown Jr per PFF: 14 pressures and 2 sacks allowed

LMAO

JESUS CHRIST ROFLROFLROFL

do we have a screencap from PFF

But but he'll make our O-line much better. Chiefs fans are just mad because we stole him from you /reeruned bungle fan before yesterday

i can't find any source saying that

as far as i can tell it's twitter nonsense

Good ****ing Lord.

Yeah, that number is bullshit. PFF has him with 3 total pressure.

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Granted, from what I saw he probably got beat more often than that, but the other OL were giving up their pressure even faster. Their entire line had a Pass Block Win Rate of 30% yesterday according to ESPN.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Bengals&#39; offensive success rate running the football yesterday was 18% (!!!).<br><br>That&#39;s the lowest single-game mark for the team since the &#39;90s.</p>&mdash; Austin Gayle (@austingayle_) <a href="https://twitter.com/austingayle_/status/1701270927693193648?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bengals had the worst pass block win rate (30%) of any team today through the late afternoon window.<br><br>(ESPN / NFL Next Gen Stats)</p>&mdash; Seth Walder (@SethWalder) <a href="https://twitter.com/SethWalder/status/1701060095163998657?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I saw it all over Twitter from several people. Not just Chiefs fans.

But I wonder why PFF doesn't record OT's getting help from chip blocks or TE's?

The Bengals helped Orlando on nearly every passing down yesterday

The Browns front 7 is no joke.

True, but damn. It still shouldn’t be THAT bad for a Super Bowl contender.

I don't need PFF to tell me anything about OBJ. He's an average at best LT. We all have seen enough.

LMAO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">safe travels, <a href="https://twitter.com/Bengals?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Bengals</a> <a href="https://t.co/XoekzTYQMU">pic.twitter.com/XoekzTYQMU</a></p>&mdash; Cleveland Browns (@Browns) <a href="https://twitter.com/Browns/status/1700971214359949531?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

LMAO that is too good

As good as Garret is, I think KC was still the winner of that draft.

lol yeah, most definitely.

The OBJ difference!!

Overrated Brown jr

The Watts and Garretts of the world are quick enough to chase Burrow down from behind when he and they are both sprinting full speed. That's why he has so much trouble with them. With Chris Jones Burrow is JUUUUSST about 3/4 of a step faster than him so if he sees him coming and has any distance whatsoever he can get away. Garrett chases him down like a wolf attacking a rabbit.

Crazy to think they could have got both. Would’ve been the draft haul of the century. At the very least could have landed pre-diddles Deshaun for a rookie contract. Instead they got cute with money ball and ended up with jabril peppers/deshonne Kiser/Njoku. That is an even worse trade than trubisky because nobody would’ve considered either Watson or mahomes a reach at their spot

Accurate

Your remember when posters said Jones was on that level? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

The overrated thing about Burrows is Burrows are overrated things

Jones is good. He’s not that good though. I don’t believe that he’s even on a HOF track yet.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Joe Burrow fell to 5th in MVP odds over one bad game ����<br><br>Sports media is wild</p>&mdash; Nati Sports (@Nati_Sports) <a href="https://twitter.com/Nati_Sports/status/1701602662054289621?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 12, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He's on a HOF track at this point, needs to finish with a few more years.

But Yeah, I think he's as much of a disruptor as those guys.

That’s honestly where he belonged.

MVP is a stats award. His are always great but not elite

I guess it depends on the source. From what I saw on Pro Football Reference it showed the average HOF DT having a score of 105 and Jones was at 43 and change. Now how accurate they are, I do not know. But if they are pretty accurate, he isn't even half way.

If the Bengals have a problem this year it's not OBJ, it's that the entire line is pants, and in particular the LG. OBJ has gone from having Thuney next to him to having Cordell Volsen. I do think that Browns DL is elite and they won't be half as bad down the road. But it's crazy it's STILL a potential problem for them.

The last 2 seasons.

6th in completions
8th in attempts

1st in completion percentage
4th in yards
1st YPA
3rd in TDs
(T)3rd in INTs
4th YP/G
1st in quarterback rating

"not elite"

I mean I knew the guy was going to suck massive horse balls there, but 14 pressures in a single game?

That's astonishing.

it's fake news

They’ve got the Ravens next week as well.

I think I’m going to root for the Bengals in that one just so that they’re both 1-1 (and hopefully the Chiefs are too). Then I’ll root for the Ravens later on in the year so they split.

Lamar will be on IR in two months. Root for Lamar now while you can.

You’re probably right and I did consider that, but I actually think this is the year Lamar makes it through a full season.. and I think the Ravens will actually win their division so I’m going to stick with the plan.

Might be wrong but I looked and it seemed to say 3 pressures for OBJ...7 for Donovan Smith

**** PFF.

If you watched the games, there's no ****ing way that's true.

Not sure I saw 7 pressures for Smith! But he looked pretty damn ropey at times

We saw that here. Also had folks actually trying to defend that turd. TRUST YOUR EYES. DUDE BLOWS! So glad he's not our problem anymore. Love that he's the Bengals' now!

Let's be honest, a lot of you guys have been Burrow ballwashers in level-headed threads. I never have or will understand propping up a non-dynamic guy like him whose success is both grossly overstated and reliant on his WRs and D more than any other QB.

That said, I was sticking with Allen on body of work and ability to create out of nothing, so I'll eat my crow since he's apparently regressing mentally, not progressing.

So heck, I dunno who QB2 is. I do know the gap to Mahomes has never been wider. It might be unlike anything in history tbh. Not trying to be extreme, just can't remember a clearer chasm between the top guy and the next tier, at least in my 20 odd years watching.

At least Joe Drrrrrrr got paid. It will make his season ending injury a little more tolerable.

That line is ****ing DOGSHIT.

You wouldn't know ball if it bit you in the ass.

Go choke on a flaming AIDS football.

It's gonna be amusing watching you all post about how dogshit Smith and Taylor are in a couple weeks.

I mean, they definitely gave up pressures and sacks to a decent Lions DL, but the Gals got pounded from the get-go. You must have had flashbacks right?

Maybe Cincy just doesn't value OL and protecting the most expensive qb ever.

Don't you know us at all, yet? We just lost the opener. If we were gonna bitch about the OTs, we'd already be doing it.

Good thing for you is that you won't have to come up with any new posts about how dogshit OBJ is. Just come over here and copy/paste everything we've said about him.

3 points lol

82 yards passing with those weapons