He was so close to a sack on the play where Allen got out of the pocket. Had his hands on him

Yea, they aren't all All-Pros 6 games in.

JFC this place goes full reerun every single time we lose, even when we played better than anybody expected.

The bar is pretty low for him and so far he's still playing under that bar. I saw more flashes from him earlier in the season than I have lately.

Folks who want to judge George go and look at Trey Hendrickson's stats from his THREE YEARS in the league. The guy had six and a half sacks in three seasons before he took off. And Trey is the guy I'd compare George to the most so we'll see. Rookies getting tons of sacks at DE are not that common. It's mainly the elite guys who do.

Solid class but no superstars in it like 2021.


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Greg Rousseau had 4 sacks his rookie year. He has 4 this year already.

Not every rookie is gonna be Nick Bolton, Creed Humphrey or Chris Jones

If anytime Karlaftis should've overachieved and made plays when the team absolutely needed it was today.

If Karlaftis is disappointing, then so are Hutchinson/Thibodeaux/Walker.

This place doesn't understand that certain positions are very difficult to step right in and be a force.

He will keep working. He will keep improving. He will be fine.

You're right, we clearly lost because Karlaftis, not because Mahomes/Andy.

This is a defense mechanism that many of y'all have any time we lose just because you can't accept that the best player in the world didn't get it done today.

The Chiefs were down a lot of guys on defense goijg agaisnt the closest thing to our QB, and they played more than good enough to win.

His preseason probably gave people more unrealistic expectations. He looked like a perennial All-Pro in those games.

This is fair. He looked so good in the preseason that he's been a disappointment mostly due to unfair expectations after his performance.

He's still getting pressure, and he will get better.

His job would be a easier, and we would not be desperate for immediate production from him, if Frank was the guy we traded for. I'm not trying to beat a dead horse here but it's a lot to ask a rookie to come in and fix that.

I do think he could and should be doing a little more, but I am not really worried about him.

Wait - you've gone in this direction again?

First it was he sucked because he had short arms.

Then you changed and said it was your biggest error in evaluation ever and he was a Greek God.

And now you're back to he sucks?

At last, Karlaftis is going to rise again like a Greek Phoenix from Marty's ashes.

My #1 Karlaftis comparison was Trey Hendrickson.

Many compared him to Hali.

Guys that win with strength, motor, and relentlessness take time to develop and adjust to the NFL level. Both of those guys did too.

Hutchinson is. But Kayvon is playing well. He missed the first few games of the season and is already statistically outperforming Karlaftis. He even had a strip sack on Lamar today to close out the game.

The superstars in 2021 are a guard, a center, and an off ball linebacker. The problem is our "superstars" that we do find in the draft are at low impact positions. Yes, it's nice to have a great guard, center, or linebacker. But none of those positions are as important or can make as big of a difference as positions like WR, DE, and CB. KC hasn't found a playmaker in the draft in a LONG time.

Lazy comparison just cuz he’s white

But expectations are clearly different for a top 10 pick and the 30th overall pick. Relative to his draft position, he hasn't been THAT much better.

LOL, great players do this Patrick has overcome deficits over and over. I can't blame him until it's clear to be blamed. Instead of the refs stearing the game.

Karlaftis was drafted because of his ability, and to cull the shit passrush from the previous season

You're STILL bitching about corner when that room is full of young talent?

Dumbass.

Secondary has ONE interception on the entire season. Zero playmakers in the secondary.

Yea, Sneed definitely isn't a playmaker! Only way you can make plays is interceptions.

I guess the Sneed sack and fumbles don't count huh?

Did our rookie 7th round pick not have a pick 6? Is he not playing as good as any rookie CB not named Sauce?

God damn you're ****ing clueless.

Veach’s draft/acquisitions of the secondary has been fine.

It’s the offensive skill positions and edge rushers where I’m concerned

Clay is one of the biggest turncoats on Cp.

he sucks, staylor...if he was worth shit he'd be flashing like tamba...instead he's turk mcbride-esque

career backup at best

Always the same people too.

why wouldn't I? preseason was clearly a mirage.

george might get 3 sacks this season at best

You said yourself that Mahomes isn’t allowed to have a defense and you were right.

Welcome to Overreaction Planet.ROFL

Flip flop inbound in 3, 2, 1 . . .

roger got what he wanted with the gay suspension....AFCCG in Buffalo this year...AFC West is a tossup again...mission accomplished

Gonna file this one away!

Can't really blame him as he's a rookie; other than Jones, the DL just isn't doing much to get pressure. Having to blitz to get pressure and leaving rookies against multiple #1 WR isn't a winning proposition. He is a first round draft pick so the expectations aren't unwarranted.

Don’t think he doesn’t get in these teams ears on Draft Day, there is no way that teams get to take whoever they want, not a chance.

Hmm I like this.

This is known as WWE Theory

watch what happens when we go to LAC

Well what does WWE Theory say?

I don't care what his PFF grade is.. I want to see some on field results and so far he is invisible. Think next year may be better but he's not having the impact we hoped..

He's a guy that looks the part. Except he didn't get the results in college and he's not getting them in the pros yet either.

So close here. Allen is a great runner tho and just a little hard to tackle

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Guaranteed HOF career now

As a rookie Justin Houston flashed but didn’t get a sack until his 10th game. Then he compiled 5.5 in his last few.

Can’t help but see a similar path for George. He’s doing the right things. Struggling a bit but getting pressures.

It will come

Bj Kissel is a homer.
Gets hired by the chiefs to be a homer.
Starts his own network with him doing homer pods.
Makes a homer 10 sack prediction for Karlaftis.
Now all the homers are disappointed.

DTVietnam was right about the entire draft. He was banned for trolling but I knew he was right on draft day unfortunately, none of the players are a difference maker.

Breeland Speaks II

Lol can’t believe people are calling the entire 22 class a pile of crap because Karlaftis doesn’t have a sack yet.

Wait a minute… this is CP. I can totally believe that.

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Moore finally got targeted for a huge throw and he dropped it.

CP has always been particularly impatient with young players, but it's on another level with this years class.

What in the entire **** are you talking about?

Are you talking about the throw where Mahomes was clearly off and Moore was barely able to get a hand on it? I'm almost certain you're either trolling or reeruned. That was hardly a catchable ball.

When Pat actually gave him a catchable ball he made a pretty big play.

I’m responding to SNR saying that we are judging the draft on one guy, no we are judging them individually. And for the record I think MCDuffie would be good but I can already tell he will be injury prone.

people should pump the breaks on the rest of the draft class but karlaftis is practically invisible

clark has been around the QB more

Ohh so you're just reeruned. My bad.

Leads all rookies in pressures, and I beleive i read he's top 15 in pass rush win rate as well.

But sure, "invisible" because it hasn't translated to sacks just yet.

he's bad, dude

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Rookies aren't playing like all pros 6 games into year 1? BUSTS!

Yikes

I’m controversial.

George reminds me of the long time Ram, Chris Long. High motor and did everything but pile up sacks. It's early though, let the pup grow up before you judge him like a hound.

George reminds me of the long time Ram Chris Long. High motor and did everything but pile up sacks. It's early though. Let the pup grow up before you judge him like a hound.

People need to separate out the prospect from the reality today. If you're talking about what he might/will become, then I'm with you. I liked the pick and all the caveats apply re him being a rookie, being on a terrible DL, having a pretty insane workload - all that matters and impacts performance.

But if you're talking about him now and how he's played against expectations - nope. My expectations weren't that high, I thought he'd be immediately solid against the run and pretty average as a pass-rusher in his first year, but fairly quickly and obviously better than Clark. He hasn't been that, he HAS been completely invisible. There is absolutely no way he is top 15 in pass rush win rate, and I can't see how anyone with eyes thinks he's been solid against the run.

As for the rest of the class I like Moore, I'm confident in McDuffie and I think we'll get important contributions from others, that's a good result. But for every bedwetter on CP who thinks every pick is a bust, there's 20 people who wet their knickers over every draft pick before a snap was played.

Where we pick in the draft you would have to be lucky to get a stud rookie. He may be really good but he needs work and time.

Our defense is going make a major jump next year but we have growing pains this year. I thought that was pretty much understood universal on Chiefs Planet. No no I was kidding myself everyone thinks what you see is what you get never mind developing and experience.

We got a good shot at the title this year and turn around and be even better next year.

DL is potentially even worse next year unless they make the right moves. Clark will be cut and Dunlap, Nnadi, Saunders, and Stallworth are all FA. I’m sure some will resign but this DL group isn’t looking very pretty at the moment. Without a DL that can get pressure there’s only so far the defense as a whole can go.

Clark, Nnadi and Dunlap are playing bad enough that it is addition by subtraction. I'd be pretty confident that we can get better talent at DL for significantly less money. Given the needs at DE and WR as well I'm not sure it's a giant leap forward, but there are a lot of decent DTs in FA next year and a few useful DEs too that I'd imagine we could get.

I just don’t think that’s a given that they’ll find someone better considering the current regime is 5 years in and to this point the talent acquisition on the DL is questionable at best.

When you have a top 2 QB in the league, you don't play the growing pains game. You go hard for the title every year as if it is your last shot.

New problems always pop up. Yes the secondary might be better next year, but the DL is still problematic, three of the 5 starting OL spots are unresolved, WR unsettled and at some point Kelce is going to start slowing down a little.

There’s no way that Karlaftis is top 15 in pass rush win rate, but as a team they’re top 10 in pass rush win rate. So back away from the ledge. It’ll be okay.

Genuine Q but what's the pressure rate rushing 4? We're an excellent blitzing team but our DEs are not getting pressure.

I don’t have that number.

I think the DEs have gotten more pressure than it might seem. But a lot of it is Jones.

that's a good way to only get a few shots.

Even with a top QB....I think you only get a few true "shots" anyway.

So much of it comes down to luck and health, so maybe you want to give yourself as many opportunities as you can yes.

But I also think you can do both without killing chances at the other.

We kind of already did. That's why Veach did the Frank Clark trade, extended Chris Jones, and tried to skip the learning process for a rookie LT and traded for Orlando Brown instead.

Those moves seemed aggressive at the time, as if we were going hard for the title every year as if it were our last shot. The Chris Jones extension worked out. The other two didn't. And that sometimes happens when you make aggressive moves. I'm not faulting Veach or saying we shouldn't have gone all in like we did, but it does mean that eventually you have to have a re-organization year.

Fans claim they accept that reality as a consequence for going hard, but when it happens, it's like it catches them by surprise. "What? Why is there a hole in the roster? Why are so many rookies being forced to play?! We should be going all in!!!!!!!"

And seriously... the Chiefs are a top 5 ****ing team in the NFL, and that's being conservative. And THIS is the result of our "just cool it with the trades and big contracts for a season or two, guys" year?

Man, if I were a fan of any other team, I'd kill for a "rebuilding" year like this one!

Some people really don’t understand just how hard Brett Veach’s job really is.

Patrick’s contract is very flexible and it is a steal for his talent, but it’s still a QB contract. That means we don’t have cap space like all these other teams with rookie QB contracts like the Jets, Dolphins and Eagles.

We also don’t pick early and that makes a huge difference.

Veach may have made some bad decisions (Clyde) but he’s still drafted multiple good players in the last 4 drafts.

Some of ya’ll sucking that Bills dick need to come back this time next year when they have no money, late draft picks and have lost some of their star players due to Josh Allen’s contract kicking in.

His job is hard?

He's got a generational QB and a HOF top 5 or 6 head coach of all time.

I mean, come on.

I agree. Veach has made some good picks and some bad ones. No different than any other GM. So far he’s doing better than most, especially with where he is drafting year in and year out. It will inherently be more difficult than drafting Top 10 every year.

I'll be honest, so flame away. Yes I know he's a rook, but damn I've been disappointed SO FAR.

He's nothing special so far. Give him a chance.