<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Add one more team to the mix from today: Ravens were actively going after Jets’ safety Jamal Adams, per source. But Ravens and Jets could not reach an agreement.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1189272167004938240?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 29, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I'd like to see 'em !@#$ing draft one.

But guys like that just aren't easy to spot. It's so difficult to understand how baseline athleticism will translate to coverage ability at the next level. Why? Hell if I know; seems like it should be pretty easy.

But for whatever reason, someone like Ragland can put up virtually identical testing numbers to someone like Schobert and Schobert's just better in space.

I mean look at these figures:

40 times: 4.76 vs. 4.72 (edge Ragland)
10 yard split: 1.62 vs. 1.65 (edge Schobert)
20 yard shuttle: 4.3 vs. 4.28 (Edge Ragland)
Broad Jump (big for SPARQ scores; considered a strong proxy for explosion): 111 vs 116 (edge Ragland)

Both 6'1'', Ragland 247 vs. 244 for Schobert.

And giving anyone an edge anywhere is academic; there's no discernible difference anywhere; hundreths of a second here and there. Both came out of the 2016 draft class. There virtually indistinguishable as prospects.

Someone explain to me why Schobert is so much better in space? I sure as hell can't figure it out and you can't exactly glean 'savvy' at the college level.

Being all in and being stupid aren't the same thing.

I’ve been critical when it’s deserving.

Speaks, Hitchens, Clark (after the first few weeks) etc.

But you’ve been nothing but a whiny bitch lately that won’t give credit where it is deserved and Veach clearly can’t win.

Damn, Ravens.

Well yeah, but I'm saying shit I would have even offered Matt Ryan.

That team needs to be rebuilt from the ground up.

Well might as well top off with more stupid then because so far all the big money signings don't look like good moves.

Name a member of the team or front office, and you can find a thread on here bitching about them (with Mahomes being the one possible exception). This thread is just one of hundreds.

Face it - we're a bunch of entitled whiners.

All the contenders made moves right?

I don't think they could realistically do that.

Julio got paid so no, Calvin Ridley makes nothing...you're literally at guys like Trufant, Beasely, Mack, Freeman....no one wants those guys.

Then you question if you should trade Jake Mathews but I doubt you get a 1.

The only positive of today is that none of our direct competition got any better either.

Clearly all of their GMs suck and should be fired.

Well I'm going to get real with you, I'm 39 years old, every team in the league has played in a bowl in my lifetime except......KC, NYJ, Cleveland and Houston, 2 of those teams didn't have one for awhile.

Forgive me if I have 0 patience.

Ravens traded for Peters
Pats got Sanu
Texans traded for everyone

Lot of the AFC teams made deals.

I guess it doesn't count cause it wasn't today.

Mecca: The Patriots did make a move!

Yea they traded a 2nd for a 30 year old WR who’s never had more than 850 yards in a season. I’m sure you’d be giving Veach a ton of credit for a move like that!

The market for an ILB was set by Myles Jack at 14.25 AAV and the Jets gave CJ Mosley $17 million AAV, which lead to Bobby Wagner getting $18 million AAV.

Good ****ing God

My thinking is potential playoff\SB contenders would go all in if it was at that late of a date and bad teams would do a sell off as well. That would give teams basically 4 weeks or so to acclimate their new teammate, which I think is plenty of time.

The only move that wasn’t awful was the Peters trade.

Good players make money. News at 10.

Maybe Veach can put in some calls to see who is the dastardly bandit stealing Triple Threat's pool water.

Uh...'entitled'?

Not sure what word you wanted to use there, but perhaps 'beaten down' would be more appropriate.

Nobody on this board feels 'entitled' to shit. Some of them are sycophants {cough}staylor{coughcoughcough}, some are self-indulgent assholes {raises hand}, most are just dying of thirst and hoping to find a hoofprint to drink piss out of before they leave this earth having never witnessed a championship.

But 'entitled'? That seems like the exact wrong cause here.

We’ve had problems drafting LBs for years now. What’s the last good one....DJ?

Eh, one of those teams will be in the AFC champ game so they don't care.

The Texans ones are all dumb though.

Wasn’t awful for now. Give Peters a couple of years and he’ll find a way off the Ravens.

****ing 15 years ago? Jesus.

What am I?

Sanu is filling a gap - not a difference maker. Peters is a wild card.

And you can't seriously be saying that you think the Texans have made solid moves this year...

My point is it was a sellers market and hard to find good deals. The only team that got one got it because the team that they were trading with was desperate to be one of those buyers getting ****ed.

Sanu for a 3rd would have been a good trade but our 2nd is essentially a early third so I understand why the second was given up.

Belcher

His deals up at the end of the year......

I'd also like to hear how the Talib deal was bad he was literally given away.

Maybe not, but the Texans made moves.

Looking for difference makers at the deadline isn't ideal. Gap fillers will do.

No doubt, but it’s a move that at least made sense for the short term for very little cost.

Only reason the Patriots traded for Sanu was bc they absolutely had to. They are desperate. Gronk is gone, AB was a massive fail, Gordon is done for the year and their 1st rd rookie receiver is on IR.

He’d be a waste of cap space.
He wouldn’t help us at all this year. He’s not back until Week 15 and he doesn’t know Spags system.

Better pray we find a LB who can cover or Brady is gonna pick us apart

Is it bad? No.

Is it a move that I’m going to bitch about us not making when the guy is old and currently on IR for the second straight year and won’t be back until the end of the season?

Not unless I’m Mecca.

What's your point here? Moves are good even if they're idiotic and sacrifice the future of your franchise?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A big move on deadline day: Trent Williams holdout is over, per source. He has reported back to the Redskins.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1189275075574407168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 29, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I was just saying teams made moves. Wasn't evaling them.

The Texans ones suck for sure though, but they made moves.

I’m with you man but we have a serious chance this year if we are healthy.

The end is also close for Tom Brady. Even Schefter thinks he is leaving after this season.

Once that guy leaves, we are the front runners.

Real question how old are you?

Chiefs have been trying to get Pat Pete for a year. Cardinals are dumb and bound to finish in the top 5 again.

31.

Veach spent a third on O'daniel then he blew a later round pick on Lee.

Those are supposed to be our nickel coverage lbers.

What was worth trading for?

We need LB. Our S's seem solid at this point and Corner is respectable.

This team needs to get healthy or we aren't going to "win now" anyway...

I was once optimistic, nearing 40 all of that is gone. Without the Mahomes draft pick I was ready to be done as a fan in general.

We had to wait for Manning to fall off, then we have to wait for Brady to leave.

Shit, just beat them.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I firmly believe we will see a story of a player the Chiefs could&#39;ve traded for over the next 2 weeks. That&#39;s Brett Veach&#39;s specialty. <a href="https://t.co/ALr2GaXjnp">https://t.co/ALr2GaXjnp</a></p>&mdash; Carrington Harrison (@cdotharrison) <a href="https://twitter.com/cdotharrison/status/1189274344343719936?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 29, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Fair enough. I don’t have much hope for this year either, but the truth is we have a damn good shot if we get and stay healthy

chiefs aren’t going to get that far although their regular season game i bet the RBs have 15+ receptions

610 with some input

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Now two years in a row, with the best opportunites to win the Superbowl in 50 years.... the Kansas City Chiefs brass said once again we&#39;re good to go... While most of the teams that are contenders have done deals to get better.... <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TradeDeadline?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TradeDeadline</a></p>&mdash; Ron Hughley (@RonnieHSHOW) <a href="https://twitter.com/RonnieHSHOW/status/1189272323997814784?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 29, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

You don't think that, as a whole, Chiefs fans feel like we DESERVE to win a Super Bowl after not getting there for decades?

They better find someone to block for Brady or a team with a decent pass rush might kill him. The Pats team has very few weapons on offense and will rely on the D to be lock down good.

If healthy I don't think the Pats can keep up with a Mahomes-led offense...

Well you run into the same problem we run into when asking why Dorsey didn't draft more difference makers on defense - priority.

I mean...we haven't really tried.

Lets look at all the capital spent on off-ball LBs since DJ (I assume you're not including Hali, Houston or Ford in this and mean strictly off-ball guys not edge players):

2006: None
2007: None
2008: None
2009: None

So right away we have a 4 year stretch where we put literally NOTHING at the position. Not even a 7th round pick.

2010: Maybe you squint and say Cameron Sheffield at pick 142; a converted DE.
2011: Gabe Miller - pick 140
2012: None
2013: Nico Johnson - pick 99
2014: None
2015: Ramik Wilson -Pick 118 and DJ Alexander at 172
2016: None
2017: Ukeme Eligwe - pick 183
2018: DoD - Pick 100


In 14 years --- FOURTEEN YEARS -- we've drafted seven guys who might be classified as off-ball linebackers and even that includes DJ Alexander and Cam Sheffield who were always seen as some kind of hybrid/edge sort of players. But give ya all 7 just to be sporting; one every other year.

And in that lot we have a 3rd rounder (dead back of the round) two 4th rounders and four 5th rounders. I mean shit, since 2005 we've spent a 3rd and a 7th on a kicker and a punter. Even the trades are 5th rounders in 2 seasons for Ragland and stuff like that; nominal assets.

Now to some degree it's explained by the time we spent in a 3-4 over that period AND the presence of DJ. You've never felt the need to prioritize the position. But it's still worth pointing out that we've struggled there because we haven't tried - rightly or wrongly, we simply haven't made an effort at that position. We've drafted better than half that lot in the 5th round and spent a 5th rounder on Ragland. Value the position at roughly the 5th round and you probably shouldn't be surprised by a pittance of a return.

It's past time to change that thinking.

Since we finally have a first round pick this year, any good LBers in the draft?

Is it possible that the perp has trained a flock of pelicans to come in during the night and scoop up water in their large bills and fly off with it?

... And, the Chiefs front office gets back from lunch.

It’s still too soon to say that for sure penbrook.

So yeah....it’s as bad as I thought it was.

****ing hell man.

The Texans needed a CB and a LT, so they traded for young talented guys on their rookie contracts.

The Pats needed a WR so they traded for a WR.

The Ravens needed a CB so they traded for a ballhawk.

All attempted to address their needs with adequate solutions.

You can debate whether you think these moves will pay off or not, but you can't debate that our direct competition has aggressively attempted to fix the holes on their roster.

If Veach doesn’t at least try to draft a LB this year he should be fired. That’s our glaring weakness

The Ravens were after Adams as well.

Thing that we kind of forget is that we burned a year of that "rookie QB contract" by sitting our guy. Now obviously he's worth it, but in the end, that shortened that window.

The Texans got robbed. I'm not willing to have Veach vastly overpay just so he can say he did something...

Clearly the Chiefs didn't bring in anyone new this year...

The Boz is still available

I hope you die.

That hurts. Don’t get personal now. Don’t become a Dane

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The best thing Brett Veach has done in his time with the Kansas City Chiefs was be around when they drafted Patrick Mahomes. He&#39;s been incredibly average at just about everything else. <a href="https://t.co/xqIfxEq5ju">https://t.co/xqIfxEq5ju</a></p>&mdash; Carrington Harrison (@cdotharrison) <a href="https://twitter.com/cdotharrison/status/1189277991261609984?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 29, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Absolutely.

We still need another CB and at least one LB.

I think Ragland is a solid 2 down LB but he's a liability in coverage.

Ragland is in last year of his deal. Idk if he would want to re sign here

There goes one LB off the market

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Raiders re-signing LB Brandon Marshall, per source.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1189279812717821952?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 29, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Oh come on man who should he have gone after that got traded at the deadline? I'm not s fan of Veach but let's be reasonable.

He stated he loves it here.

We'll see what his agent says when it's time to sign but I'd think we could extend or resign him cheap. Considering what we have outside of him I'd do it before he does anything to raise his asking price...

I'm not sure why we need to be obsessed with the trade deadline. We'll have a recycled roster by December 1 just because of all the guys coming off the injury list.

We’d have to promise him that he will start. He’s perfect as the SAM

Holy **** at the dead cap charges they would bring. Talk about kicking the can down the road for shitty football.

And he should start there. Come off the field in nickel like most other LB's.

We should have been playing him all along...

Sorensen gets obliterated by blocks. And the white linebacker we have has no athleticism. He’s decent in coverage but he may have the least muscular arms on the field at any given time.