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htismaqe 01-02-2013 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9269957)
Then why did we have SOC this year?

To get Scott Pioli fired.

That could STILL happen.

The Franchise 01-02-2013 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 9269960)
I don't want anything to do with Andy Reid but if they are going to spend 9 hours with the guy I would hope they get him signed, sealed and delivered.

His agent is there. Maybe that's what they're doing.

jd1020 01-02-2013 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 9269956)
I would expected more people dodging sky, that's for sure.

Personally, I don't see a single positive in having Pioli attend any coaching interviews ... if, that is, if Clark was sincere about saying "he" was going to hire the coach. Were I the Chiefs owner, I'd bring along a couple of football guys and my Visa card and that's it. The last thing I'd consider is hauling along the epitome of GM incompetence.

I have no doubt that the NFL "club" has discussed Pioli extensively over the course of this season. And knowing what I do, I have little doubt that his new nickname in NFL circles is "The Sicilian Matt Millian".

FAX

To be fair to Clark, I highly doubt that Pioli is sitting in that meeting and thinking to himself, "I really want to hire this guy!"

Messier 01-02-2013 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9269951)
Isn't has past tense?

If the meeting was over at the time of the tweet, they would've removed the word has.

TLO 01-02-2013 05:40 PM

I'm picking another team to watch next year if Peehole is still around. Maybe I will even be a Rams fan just to kick myself in the nuts.

Brock 01-02-2013 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9269962)
To get Scott Pioli fired.

That could STILL happen.

Bet against it.

wazu 01-02-2013 05:41 PM

Here's why people shouldn't worry about the fact that Pioli is in attendance:

If you are serious about possibly moving to contract negotiations, you probably better have your GM there. Clark can lead with Pioli providing whatever support is needed.

Pioli is still the GM. It would be absurd to not even involve him in a coaching search. If Clark is driving the hire, he should have the confidence that he can have Pioli sit in meetings and help answer questions, maybe even ask a few good/relevant ones. It's up to Clark to sniff out any Pioli B.S.

The Franchise 01-02-2013 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 9269967)
If the meeting was over at the time of the tweet, they would've removed the word has.

This. It would have said that they met for almost 9 hours.

O.city 01-02-2013 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9269962)
To get Scott Pioli fired.

That could STILL happen.

Yet we are involving him in the most important hire this franchise has had in the past how long?

htismaqe 01-02-2013 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 9269970)
Bet against it.

I don't have to. I already have a contingency plan.

htismaqe 01-02-2013 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9269974)
Yet we are involving him in the most important hire this franchise has had in the past how long?

Sorry.

I just can't bring myself to care that much.

jd1020 01-02-2013 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9269974)
Yet we are involving him in the most important hire this franchise has had in the past how long?

You keep using the word "we" like Clark was a part of SOC.

The Franchise 01-02-2013 05:42 PM

Johnny Kane ‏@johnnykane9

Our guys in Philly did see Clark Hunt at the airport a short while ago. He says the interview has lasted 8 hours and is still going.

YayMike 01-02-2013 05:42 PM

Maybe i'm under reacting, but if we get Reid and he is the de-facto GM and Pioli is just a douchebag getting paid 6MM to run the business side of things, then i just dont give a shit. Bring him to the meetings, have him serve Reid BBQ, but dont let him make one goddamn move with the personnel, roster management, coaching staff or draft and its A-OK as me.

Rename Pioli's job title to Executive Operation Dickbag on paper, hire Reid and call it a ****ing day.

The Franchise 01-02-2013 05:42 PM

And that was retweeted by Fescoe.

Brock 01-02-2013 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9269975)
I don't have to. I already have a contingency plan.

That's good to know.

RunKC 01-02-2013 05:43 PM

Clark kept Herm until Pioli was hired. Maybe the same will apply with Andy?

jd1020 01-02-2013 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9269980)
Johnny Kane ‏@johnnykane9

Our guys in Philly did see Clark Hunt at the airport a short while ago. He says the interview has lasted 8 hours and is still going.

OH SHIT HE LEFT PIOLI ALONE IN THERE!!!!!

Messier 01-02-2013 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9269980)
Johnny Kane ‏@johnnykane9

Our guys in Philly did see Clark Hunt at the airport a short while ago. He says the interview has lasted 8 hours and is still going.

Still going at the airport? Are they getting on the plane with him?

O.city 01-02-2013 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by YayMike (Post 9269981)
Maybe i'm under reacting, but if we get Reid and he is the de-facto GM and Pioli is just a douchebag getting paid 6MM to run the business side of things, then i just dont give a shit. Bring him to the meetings, have him serve Reid BBQ, but dont let him make one goddamn move with the personnel, roster management, coaching staff or draft and its A-OK as me.

Rename Pioli's job title to Executive Operation Dickbag on paper, hire Reid and call it a ****ing day.

Pioli doesn't run, or isn't hired to run the business side. Thats Mark Donovan, who's pretty good at his job.

ShowtimeSBMVP 01-02-2013 05:44 PM

NFL Philosophy ‏@NFLosophy

Pioli worked with Belichick, the epitome of headstrong. Working with Reid shouldn't be an issue.

OnTheWarpath15 01-02-2013 05:44 PM

I wonder if Herm was part of the interview party when Pioli was hired.

Guess who was fired a few weeks later.

Just a thought. People are overreacting.

htismaqe 01-02-2013 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YayMike (Post 9269981)
Maybe i'm under reacting, but if we get Reid and he is the de-facto GM and Pioli is just a douchebag getting paid 6MM to run the business side of things, then i just dont give a shit. Bring him to the meetings, have him serve Reid BBQ, but dont let him make one goddamn move with the personnel, roster management, coaching staff or draft and its A-OK as me.

Rename Pioli's job title to Executive Operation Dickbag on paper, hire Reid and call it a ****ing day.

:clap:

Agent V 01-02-2013 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 9269987)
OH SHIT HE LEFT PIOLI ALONE IN THERE!!!!!

Better than taking him on the plane so he can verbally berate a flight attendent over the quality of his peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

O.city 01-02-2013 05:45 PM

Why do we want Pioli to hang around and take care of the business side? Is that job open?

The Bad Guy 01-02-2013 05:45 PM

The Chiefs don't need to replace every piece that needs replacing in one off-season. Replacing an ILB, finding a space eating 5 tech, and a safety to play next to Berry is a pretty attainable thing when you are picking in the top of the draft in each round and have a lot of cap space.

Good loving Christ.

Deberg_1990 01-02-2013 05:45 PM

I wonder how much Reid could coach up Cassel? Ive always thought he would be a decent fit for the West Coast offense.



























Flame Away....

htismaqe 01-02-2013 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9269990)
Pioli doesn't run, or isn't hired to run the business side. Thats Mark Donovan, who's pretty good at his job.

And yet we have SEVERAL reports, some as late as today, that Pioli was running ALL KINDS of things on the business side.

Did you know that Chiefs employees were "encouraged" by Pioli to use black and white copies instead of color?

Pioli is/was running EVERYTHING at Arrowhead. THAT is the reason why he NEEDS to be fired.

jd1020 01-02-2013 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent V (Post 9269998)
Better than taking him on the plane so he can verbally berate a flight attendent over the quality of his peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

How is that better than Pioli pulling out his tec-9 and shooting up the room?

dirk digler 01-02-2013 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 9269964)
To be fair to Clark, I highly doubt that Pioli is sitting in that meeting and thinking to himself, "I really want to hire this guy!"

I wish I was a fly on that wall in this meeting listening to Reid list his demands and Pioli's job duties rapidly shrinking.

You know Pioli is sitting there stewing wishing that Clark would hire Ferentz.

FAX 01-02-2013 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 9269964)
To be fair to Clark, I highly doubt that Pioli is sitting in that meeting and thinking to himself, "I really want to hire this guy!"

Hey, it's okay by me if people want to rationalize keeping Pioli or having him do contracts or fetch drinks during coaching interviews. It's a free world and I respect both freedom and worlds.

As for me, however, I have seen absolutely nothing from Scott Pioli that suggests to me that he brings any value whatsoever to the table. He can't draft, he can't maintain a positive organization, he can't pick coaches, he can't evaluate talent, he can't motivate people, and he probably can't wipe his own ass without blaming someone else for his difficulty in reaching between his enormous, flabby buttocks.

I can understand why Clark would hesitate in taking it on the chin over several tens of millions of dollars (assuming Pioli signed an extension). But I cannot understand why anybody with a properly functioning brain could find any redeeming qualities in that historically incompetent butt-mole of a GM.

FAX

The Franchise 01-02-2013 05:47 PM

Maybe Hunt left Donovan to work out the contract details.

htismaqe 01-02-2013 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9269991)
NFL Philosophy ‏@NFLosophy

Pioli worked with Belichick, the epitome of headstrong. Working with Reid shouldn't be an issue.

Ironic isn't it.

A lot of the hand wringing here is being done by the same people that said "Scott Pioli sucks. He didn't do anything in New England, Bill Belichek did it all!"

bishop_74 01-02-2013 05:47 PM

Jeff Skversky ‏@JeffSkversky

Andy Reid Just wrapped up a near 9 hour interview with Kansas City Chiefs CEO Clark Hunt & GM Scott Pioli today in Philly

Who is Jeff Skversky?

Sassy Squatch 01-02-2013 05:47 PM

Most of these are retweets I would assume.

Messier 01-02-2013 05:47 PM

How did the interview with Ferentz go? I hear that was today.

-King- 01-02-2013 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Smoke (Post 9269961)
Mort said he was on a plane to AZ around 4pm

I don't see that anywhere on his timeline. His last Chiefs tweet was about us interviewing Koetter.

ILChief 01-02-2013 05:48 PM

Why on earth would he bring Pioli to meet Reid? It's like introducing your creepy sex offender uncle to a girl you're trying to date

ShowtimeSBMVP 01-02-2013 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bishop_74 (Post 9270010)
Jeff Skversky ‏@JeffSkversky

Andy Reid Just wrapped up a near 9 hour interview with Kansas City Chiefs CEO Clark Hunt & GM Scott Pioli today in Philly

Who is Jeff Skversky?

Jeff Skversky
Jeff Skversky
@JeffSkversky

Jeff Skversky is a sportscaster at WPVI-TV 6abc in Philadelphia

KCUnited 01-02-2013 05:48 PM

After getting neutered and publicly humiliated, I'm confident Pioli will have the Chiefs best interest when handling the business side.

Pasta Little Brioni 01-02-2013 05:48 PM

Awesome. Get him signed, sealed, delivered and commence the scouting and drafting of Geno.

-King- 01-02-2013 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bishop_74 (Post 9270010)
Jeff Skversky ‏@JeffSkversky

Andy Reid Just wrapped up a near 9 hour interview with Kansas City Chiefs CEO Clark Hunt & GM Scott Pioli today in Philly

Who is Jeff Skversky?

Jeff Skversky is a sportscaster at WPVI-TV 6abc in Philadelphia.




Seems reliable.

FAX 01-02-2013 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 9269972)
Here's why people shouldn't worry about the fact that Pioli is in attendance:

If you are serious about possibly moving to contract negotiations, you probably better have your GM there. Clark can lead with Pioli providing whatever support is needed.

Pioli is still the GM. It would be absurd to not even involve him in a coaching search. If Clark is driving the hire, he should have the confidence that he can have Pioli sit in meetings and help answer questions, maybe even ask a few good/relevant ones. It's up to Clark to sniff out any Pioli B.S.

By the same token, what prevents Dr. Evil from spouting off something like, "Yeah, Reid .. and I don't want to see any damn empty pizza boxes in the conference room or it's your ass. It's just the way we do things."?

FAX

O.city 01-02-2013 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9270009)
Ironic isn't it.

A lot of the hand wringing here is being done by the same people that said "Scott Pioli sucks. He didn't do anything in New England, Bill Belichek did it all!"

Not sure how to interpret this



Are you now saying he did some of the things in NE?

loochy 01-02-2013 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9270001)
I wonder how much Reid could coach up Cassel? Ive always thought he would be a decent fit for the West Coast offense.

























Flame Away....

Dude he can't even throw a screen pass.

Pasta Little Brioni 01-02-2013 05:49 PM

Varys probably wasn't even allowed to talk. Probably had a ball and gag in his mouth wearing a gimp outfit for the interview.

YayMike 01-02-2013 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9269990)
Pioli doesn't run, or isn't hired to run the business side. Thats Mark Donovan, who's pretty good at his job.

I was just speculating, I'm just saying, its Clark's money not mine. If he doesnt want to fire him to essentially pay him a ton of money to work for someone else, that's fine by me. Let him find him something else to do as long as it isnt football related, I dont care. He has been stripped of his power as far as we can tell and that's the BIGGEST win for me. Just hire a coach that has full power to make the decisions.

The Franchise 01-02-2013 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 9270018)
After getting neutered and publicly humiliated, I'm confident Pioli will have the Chiefs best interest when handling the business side.

He's still under contract. Doing something to sabotage the Chiefs organization could be viewed as a fireable offense and possibly void his contract.

Mr. Flopnuts 01-02-2013 05:50 PM

Bill Maas says Pioli was DEFINITELY in Philly today. D-E-F-I-N-I-T-E-L-Y-!

Red Dawg 01-02-2013 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefMojo (Post 9269875)
That is true Messier... Pioli still may end being here but he won't control everything. The new HC will answer to Clark Hunt... not Scott Pioli or whomever is the GM. Equal footing working hand and hand. In the end it will be the HC making the call on personnel it seems.

That is bs. How long with that last when clark lives in texas. Pioli owns clark. Clark will do whatever scott wants. Coach having the word on players my ass. Pioli has the contract power and fa power. He will fugg us for many years.

BigRedChief 01-02-2013 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9270003)
And yet we have SEVERAL reports, some as late as today, that Pioli was running ALL KINDS of things on the business side.

As long as he stays on the business side and has no input on the football side. I may be able to live with that. I can't name one business person on the Chiefs ever.

ChiefMojo 01-02-2013 05:50 PM

It is 5:50 PM central time now, 4:00 PM eastern time could make sense. If they had already wrapped up the interview that meant Reid left the interview around 5:00 PM central range. So Mort's report could be accurate in saying he left at 4:00 PM eastern.

bowener 01-02-2013 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bishop_74 (Post 9270010)
Jeff Skversky ‏@JeffSkversky

Andy Reid Just wrapped up a near 9 hour interview with Kansas City Chiefs CEO Clark Hunt & GM Scott Pioli today in Philly

Who is Jeff Skversky?

9 hours? That is probably good, right? I wonder how many finger sandwiches Reid ate...

KCUnited 01-02-2013 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9270032)
He's still under contract. Doing something to sabotage the Chiefs organization could be viewed as a fireable offense and possibly void his contract.

Or Clark could just fire him before he does any more harm to the organization. Obviously, Clark values his input in these interviews or he wouldn't be bringing him along.

htismaqe 01-02-2013 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9270023)
Not sure how to interpret this



Are you now saying he did some of the things in NE?

No.

I'm saying that a certain group of people here (not specifically you) are all up in arms about Pioli remaining in the same capacity he had in New England because he's gonna "screw it up" yet they've spent the last 4 years saying Pioli had NOTHING to do with the success in New England, "it was all BB".

The two cannot be simultaneously true.

ShowtimeSBMVP 01-02-2013 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 9270033)
Bill Maas says Pioli was DEFINITELY in Philly today. D-E-F-I-N-I-T-E-L-Y-!

Why did Mass wait till Howard reported this? Just Piggybacking off Howard.

Monty 01-02-2013 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YayMike (Post 9270030)
I was just speculating, I'm just saying, its Clark's money not mine. If he doesnt want to fire him to essentially pay him a ton of money to work for someone else, that's fine by me. Let him find him something else to do as long as it isnt football related, I dont care.

Exactly. The grass around our tailgating spot needs mowed, get on it!

Oh, and pick up the trash around the site while you're at it. :D

Pasta Little Brioni 01-02-2013 05:52 PM

Stanzi was tasked in ordering and delivering the largest cheese steak in the city to the interview.

htismaqe 01-02-2013 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9270032)
He's still under contract. Doing something to sabotage the Chiefs organization could be viewed as a fireable offense and possibly void his contract.

Which means no buyout.

-King- 01-02-2013 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bowener (Post 9270038)
9 hours? That is probably good, right? I wonder how many finger sandwiches Reid ate...

You think Clark wasn't prepared? He brought 2 jets to Philly. One for him and the other execs. The other filled with Gates, Oklahoma Joes, and Jack Stack bbq.

siberian khatru 01-02-2013 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YayMike (Post 9269981)
Maybe i'm under reacting, but if we get Reid and he is the de-facto GM and Pioli is just a douchebag getting paid 6MM to run the business side of things, then i just dont give a shit. Bring him to the meetings, have him serve Reid BBQ, but dont let him make one goddamn move with the personnel, roster management, coaching staff or draft and its A-OK as me.

Rename Pioli's job title to Executive Operation Dickbag on paper, hire Reid and call it a ****ing day.

I'm sorry, no under-reacting is allowed on CP. Only overreacting.

jd1020 01-02-2013 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefMojo (Post 9270036)
It is 5:50 PM central time now, 4:00 PM eastern time could make sense. If they had already wrapped up the interview that meant Reid left the interview around 5:00 PM central range. So Mort's report could be accurate in saying he left at 4:00 PM eastern.

If he just got done with a 9 hour interview within the last 10-15 mins how does 4PM make sense?

The Franchise 01-02-2013 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9270042)
Why did Mass wait till Howard reported this? Just Piggybacking off Howard.

Fescoe tweeted asking someone to confirm that Pioli wasn't at Arrowhead today. Maas responded.

The Franchise 01-02-2013 05:53 PM

Bob Fescoe ‏@bobfescoe

Hearing that Pioli was IN FACT part of the Reid interview today. Along with Clark and Mark Donovan and a few others #chiefs

O.city 01-02-2013 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9270041)
No.

I'm saying that a certain group of people here (not specifically you) are all up in arms about Pioli remaining in the same capacity he had in New England because he's gonna "screw it up" yet they've spent the last 4 years saying Pioli had NOTHING to do with the success in New England, "it was all BB".

The two cannot be simultaneously true.

So we are gonna keep him on a nd pay him millions to do nothing? Thats not very good business, IMO.

RustShack 01-02-2013 05:54 PM

Pioli is pretty good at being a GM, his problem was he was doing a lot more than being just the GM. Clark is a lot more involved now, and the HC will have more power. I don't think its going to be that bad. Cassel will no longer be the QB. Reid will tell Pioli who he wants, and he will go get said player. It wont be up to Pioli anymore to set our starting lineup.

ChiefMojo 01-02-2013 05:54 PM

If Pioli is here in a personnel role next season, it won't be pulling the strings. He would basically be scouting and doing whatever Reid or whomever is the head coach says. It will be like what he was in New England. He would have no power, just be a top personnel staffer. Maybe that isn't that horrible of a idea, he wouldn't be calling the shots. What would be interesting is what type of scouting system and players would we be going after? Could Pioli handle that aspect?

siberian khatru 01-02-2013 05:54 PM

Did Belichick and Pioli each report to Kraft in NE? Or just Pioli?

SAUTO 01-02-2013 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Smoke (Post 9269961)
Mort said he was on a plane to AZ around 4pm

somewhere someone else said he was on a plane at ten or eleven this morning.

And yeah I'm not looking it up.
Posted via Mobile Device

Mother****erJones 01-02-2013 05:55 PM

They report to Kraft

O.city 01-02-2013 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefMojo (Post 9270057)
If Pioli is here in a personnel role next season, it won't be pulling the strings. He would basically be scouting and doing whatever Reid or whomever is the head coach says. It will be like what he was in New England. He would have no power, just be a top personnel staffer. Maybe that isn't that horrible of a idea, he wouldn't be calling the shots. What would be interesting is what type of scouting system and players would we be going after? Could Pioli handle that aspect?

He has such a great record being a scout? I thought all his drafts were awful?

bowener 01-02-2013 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9270048)
You think Clark wasn't prepared? He brought 2 jets to Philly. One for him and the other execs. The other filled with Gates, Oklahoma Joes, and Jack Stack bbq.

That plane would smell so awesome. I hope they did it sushi style and served the BBQ on naked women lying as tables.

htismaqe 01-02-2013 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9270054)
So we are gonna keep him on a nd pay him millions to do nothing? Thats not very good business, IMO.

That's not at all what I said.

dirk digler 01-02-2013 05:55 PM

So the rationalizing of Pioli staying is beginning to start.

RustShack 01-02-2013 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9270054)
So we are gonna keep him on a nd pay him millions to do nothing? Thats not very good business, IMO.

GM's don't do nothing. Most don't have as much power as Pioli had here either.

Pasta Little Brioni 01-02-2013 05:56 PM

Pioli is done here....D-O-N-E. Power wise for sure. Whether he's "kept on for another year" or not. What Clark did to him was badass.

htismaqe 01-02-2013 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9270063)
He has such a great record being a scout? I thought all his drafts were awful?

They weren't his draft, they were Bill's.

htismaqe 01-02-2013 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 9270067)
GM's don't do nothing. Most don't have as much power as Pioli had here either.

Exactly.

O.city 01-02-2013 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9270070)
They weren't his draft, they were Bill's.

Here in KC?

siberian khatru 01-02-2013 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 9270066)
So the rationalizing of Pioli staying is beginning to start.

Five stages of grief.


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